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Both are amazing but I would give the edge to Spider-Man 2.

Yes and no.

Riku is one of the main characters of the Kingdom Hearts series (https://www.khwiki.com/Riku) he wields both dark and light abilities well the composite version does, and I think he would be more than a match for Jackie, I`m happy to be back =D

I always wanted to debate against Jackie with a similar themed character and your an amazing debater.

Awesome match-ups :)

Thanks and I agree =D

@zetsumoto said:

@neongamewave:

In the second scan here, you copied the thumb-nail URL instead of the image URL, so when you click the image, it comes out small.

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Yeah, I`m going to edit it.

Vergil`s feat should be above the speed of sound is what I was indicating and implying, I`m going to edit it.

Vergil, is the older twin brother of Dante who we all know him to be the protagonist of the very popular hack and slash series Devil May Cry. I will be creating an ultimate edition for my favorite DMC character. This RT will be going in order so DMC3 manga-DMC4: Special Edition.

Manga Feats!

Let`s start with Vergil`s speed.

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Vergil slices and dices several people before they can perceive any movement this feat alone exceeds that of the speed of sound which is above Mach 2 and more within the Mach 5 range.

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Vergil reacts to Dante`s magically empowered bullets and is able to cut them close range while also being able to sheath Yamato in the time it took Dante to utilize his handguns.

Reality warper Rabi was sliced multiple times on contact despite being able to react to Dante`s bullets in an earlier encounter.

Mental Resistance:

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This explains the origin of Vergil and why he loathes demons so much. In this instance he is placed in the past but is able to resist, one of the Seven Sins was influencing him mentally which leads to the next feat.

Vergil overcomes the Sins` illusion casting, he was placed in a dreamscape type situation and is then able to cut through the illusion with his sword Yamato.

DMC3 Feats!

2:10-4:00 - Time is slowed to Vergil`s perception, he cuts down several Abyss demons.

14:18 -14:47 - Vergil impales a Hell Vanguard demon with Yamato and has it reduced to nothing.

29:18 - 33:11 - Does battle with Dante, has his bullets returned back to him with little effort and twirls Yamato with a lot of grace and steady speed. This feat is above the speed of sound as well, and he also overpowers Dante and is not hesitant to do battle with Post Awakening Dante who is Mach 25 and who has enough strength to destroy demonic stone (which is sturdy as noted by Jester).

44:00 - 45:00 - Blitzes Arkham before he can transform or defend himself. Arkham earlier in the events of DMC3 blitzes his daughter Lady who can bullet time also Arkham can teleport in his Jester form.

56:43 -58:09 - Dodges Beowulf and has him sliced in two, Vergil then proceeds to give him a beat down with his own Light Gauntlets.

1:00:15 - 1:04:53 - Does battle with Dante for a long while and loses a lot of blood which is enough to activate the Temen ni-gru`s function and he takes a little beating from Arkham who admitted in his Jester form that Vergil would be able to cut him into confetti if he was in top shape.

1:22:11 - 1:25:07 - Vergil assists Dante and has Arkham`s hand removed even while being far away in regards to proximity and range. Behind Vergil is also an opening made by Yamato which is a dimensional blade. Vergil showcases his swordmaster skills as him and Dante switch blades.

1:28:30 - 1:36:13 - Vergil does battle with Dante even after being in conflict with Arkham for many hours and is able to battle Dante on even ground although he loses this time around, Dante at this point as a low end mid-tier has grown much more powerful and is a lot more skillful. Vergil gets cut in half and survives thanks to his high-level healing factor. He even challenges Mundus a Hell Lord level being right after descending to the Room of Fallen Ones.

Him and Dante cut down hundreds of raindrops in just a couple of seconds and by the time they resume fighting a wind barrier is created by the speed of their respective blades. This is a really impressive feat considering the number of raindrops and just how casual the feat is.

Vergil Boss Fight 1

Vergil Boss Fight 2

Vergil Boss Fight 3

These boss fights showcase and demonstrate Vergil`s power and speed. He`s massively hypersonic like his brother Dante who achieves Mach 25+ speed after his awakening. He can match Dante blow for blow.

This video showcases Vergil`s skillset/moveset within the confines of DMC3.

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Vergil thanks to the Dark Slayer Style can also teleport from point A-B and etc.

DMC1 Feats

Dante vs Nelo Angelo 1

Dante vs Nelo Angelo 2

Dante vs Nelo Angelo 3

Vergil as Nelo Angelo is a lot more powerful being able to still utilize to a degree his Dark Slayer Style he utilizes summoned swords and etc. He overpowers Dante in their first fight but later down the line is defeated and is able to even resist Mundus` control.

Everything about Mundus

DMC4:Special Edition

The following is from a PM and I agree on certain aspects of the following but 106me would agree that were always implications for the Sons of Sparda`s true speed when in regards to DMC3. I don`t think Vergil is FTL but the implication is there within the Lore`s information.

Vergil has (potential) FTL combat speed.

@de-ouzhi-ninh-millimetuh

I believe Vergil to be in the hypersonic+ range with teleportation which in turn can be better than having FTL reactions or travel speed but the following information sums up my thoughts in regards to Vergil`s feats in DMC4: SE. Vergil`s moveset is discussed here.

This point may sound extremley stupid but let me explain a little further. In Devil May Cry 3 by the time of chapter 7 Dante has access to Artemis a laser weapon and any projectile you fire at him during the boss fight he manages to deflect it without much trouble. It is a gameplay feat but he has managed to show he can catch bullets,perserve their gun poweder and fling them at Dante without slicing them in half while still making them go at normal bullet speeds (786 mph)

There is also more proof on showing how fast Vergil is when you take a look at his judgement cut move. The move itself is said to cut through dimensional barriers,distort space and use it to make a vortex of slashes to blitz an enemy. That is incredibly fast and I believe it should be considered as FTL speeds. Because being able to cut through dimensional barriers with an estimated 30 slashes and looking like you did not even take the sword out the sheath is very fast.

The amount of speed this move would take to perform is insane.

There is also Beowulfs updated moveset which allows Vergil to kick at lightning speeds according to the lore.

Beowulf Combo B

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Lightning fast kicks rock an opponent with speed and fury. Any part can be charged by holding /.

And due to lightning itself having the speed of light we can only really suggest that Vergil is kicking at the same speeds. Insane.

When Lunar Phase is used in the air Vergil remains there until he does an axe kick with devasting strength (Will get there later) however the main point I want to say is how he reaches maximum velocity where the weight and air resistance are the same and he completley stops in mid air and keeps turning. I don't know how fast one would be to remain in that state for as long as Vergil does but its damn insane.

Million Stab

/ (hold after Stinger)

A blinding whirlwind of stabs with enough momentum to blast an enemy backward.

Not much really else to be said about this.

Vergil has insane striking strength

The main two points I want to show off are Judgment cut end and his Beowulf feat where he slices him in half with an axe kick. And some Force Edge stuff

Again it shows of his speed where he completley vanishes,tears up more dimensional rifts and then leaves a vortex of slashes in his wake. I doubt alot of characters could withstand this onslaught.

He splits Beowulfs body in half with an axe kick. Because you may know how durable Beowulf is maybe it can explain how powerful these gauntlets really are. He did manage to knock him straight into the ceiling and persuit with an air trick finishing him of with an axe kick. Insane. Vergil could break down titanium without much issue with these gauntlets.

Round Trip

/ (hold then release)

Hurl Force Edge at an enemy. It will create an whirlwind of vacuum that sucks the enemy in while carving them up.

Vergil throws the blade with such strength that it manages to create a whirlwind vaccum that sucks enemies into it. Vergil can follow through with Judgment cut spam.

May be Dante's feat but Vergil could definatley replicate it without much issue as evident from previous gifs.Not only did he carve out a skyscraper sized hell gate the range on it was silly which puts me to my next point.

Vergil's sword range is also insane

As evident from what Dante did the Yamoto has reaches of about 3-4 killometres perhaps less. However arguably you need to sheath the blade to get the cut out. They are wrong.

To begin with. Vergil slices open himself an entry into the dimensional plain Arkham and Dante are fighting at. He then slices Arkhams tentacle from an estimated distance of 100 feet instantly without even sheathing his blade. If we go from this logic and say that Vergil can still get incredible reaches of 100 feet to 3 killometres while only slashing with his sword he can outrange and cheese so many characters. Combine that with the yamoto's striking power and it gets crazy.

Vergil's projectiles

I feel that alot of people overlook Vergil's summon sword projectiles when they should not. It gives Vergil more versatillity than he already does and it aides in long range battles even more.

Summoned Swords

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Launch swords created from demonic power.

Spiral Swords

/ (hold)

Creates a ring of Summoned Swords around you that acts as a shield.

Note that when the spiral swords begin to all launch out from him it appears to resemble the shockwave that a sonic boom would put out. A sword going that fast at someone will leave a mark. Also it shields Vergil aiding him in combat more.

Storm Storms

++/++(hold)

Countless swords surround an enemy, then attack all at once, launching them in the air.

Blistering Swords

++/++(hold)

Create swords around you that launch themselves at your enemy one after another.

Heavy Rain Swords

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Creates a deadly rainfall of Summoned Swords above your enemy's head, which temporarily stops them.

Note that some moves still contain that sonic boom effect when the swords are launched out still. The heavy rain swords prove that the swords do not break when they hit a hard surface but rather vanish away.

Although this may be seen as conjecture we see that Vergil can conjure up swords of different sizes. And he even appears to be holding one in his hands and putting it on the floor. Perhaps he could use his summon swords not only as projectiles but physical weapons also. However that is pointless when he has Yamoto and Force Edge at his disposal.

After all this research I done I can put Vergil as a low high tier character. His speed and cutting strength alone could take down so many characters with absolute ease.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SqHQXL4-6U
2. https://youtu.be/F80Aq35h1zQ

The above video links showcase Vergil`s power when it comes to the utilization of the Beowulf light gauntlets he can do massive amounts of damage to boss enemy types similar to the Distorted Real Impact of Gilgamesh when wielded by Dante.

This video also showcases Vergil`s speed. The following videos highlight Vergil`s abilities and capabilities.

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Yamato:

Yamato is Vergil`s signature weapon which was given to him by his father Sparda. This blade is a dimenisonal blade it can cut through dimensions and also go as far as to separate realities from one another. The DMC4 storyline was all about Yamato and it`s power.

1:51:43 - 1:52:12 - This scene showcases Yamato`s great power.

1:52:20 - 152:53 - Yamato`s range is showcased yet again.

Vergil is also a trained laido practitioner which is obvious in his Dark Slayer Style as indicated in the Lore itself.

This debate was pure awesome and I really enjoyed reading through it. Now both sides brought a level of amazing focus and understanding in regards to their respective characters, also both strategies were in-depth. While this match-up was super close as I see it as being a tie I`m going to have to give the edge to @mr_ingenuity. His debating style won me over as well as his strategy, his team has the more stronger argument when in relation to countering @boschepg`s strategy which was an awesome strategy and Hank Pym`s preparation was a factor but I believe mr_ingenuity`s team is a good counter for that strategy and their versatility matters more in the long run.

General Zod.

Yes.

No.

Mxy, Savitar, Damian Darhk and Rip Hunter come to mind.