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#1 Posted by NeonGameWave (7712 posts) - - Show Bio

@wut

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree although I decided to move onto a different and more decisive argument.

Now in terms of the novel, I believe Dante was directly dodging Mundus` light beams within DMC 1, he was looking at Trish and then turned his head the moment Mundus fired it in which he deflected it. It wasn`t aim-dodging and Dante has even been entering reentry levels during the courses of DMC 3 when he was only 18 years old.

Your missing the point. My point was that Cloud shouldn`t even be compared to Dante in his scenario against the opposition of the argument, who is of course Dante. And how is this all plot inspired when I entailed detailed feats for Dante while none have been made for Sephiroth to the same valued extent?

#2 Posted by NeonGameWave (7712 posts) - - Show Bio

@wut

I believe it was light speed and I can elaborate why but I don`t see the point, I`ve been through this step by step procedure before...

Also there are lasers in the Devil May Cry universe and Mundus emitted one in the first DMC which Dante reacted to, this was replicated in the novel I believe.

The reason why I factored in Cloud the way I did, is due to the many comparisons between his situation dealing with Sephiroth versus Dante`s situation dealing with Sephiroth and I already pointed out the fact that Cloud being compared to Dante is pointless, there`s just no comparison to be made and it has nothing to do with Dante vs Sephiroth.

Fair enough, but nothing was really debunked.

#3 Posted by NeonGameWave (7712 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

#4 Edited by NeonGameWave (7712 posts) - - Show Bio

@wut

I will, the only problem is that I have gone over this many, many, many times. The thing is Dante actually has three light-speed reaction feats. One in DMC 1, one in DMC 2 (as you saw) and one in the canon novel (if I`m not mistaken). Also it actually was light energy, Arius uses elemental stemmed sources that are steeped in magical laws and it directly omitted a flare like flash, I honestly don`t see why it wouldnt, can`t and shouldn`t be a light attack other then small complaints that are not compatible with the argument such as it didn`t originate from his hand when it actually did as we see it impact the wall after Dante saves Lucia or just the very minute things that deal with the idea of it being a video game versus a comic book and we both know that if this was taking place within the confined community of a comic book setting that it would be more approved.

Dante even with light-speed aside, would still be faster than Sephiroth and more agile also adding to this fact is that he can teleport or disappear from plain sight against enemies who operate on a dimensional level. Dante is much more versatile actually when it comes to weaponry and loadout the only versatility that Sephiroth has over the underrated devil hunter is magic, which Dante is HEAVILY resistant to, in fact its consistently shown throughout all of the games, his Devil Trigger absorbs and runs off of magic as well. Sephiroth being a 95% magic based character of every kind of artful field won`t stand a chance against someone who is resistant to magic on such a strong level that he can repel it in his human form and dish it out in that same basic form that is able to harm enemies who would be comparable to Sephiroth by calculation. Sephiroth is not harming Dante in his Majin or Dreadnaught forms and his standard Devil Trigger forms are already arguable since Dante is sporting a much more advanced, and I mean advanced healing factor which means Sephiroth`s efforts may not even mean much since he`s all about blunt force most of the time or direct offense...

Now how does Sephiroth win this again?

#5 Edited by NeonGameWave (7712 posts) - - Show Bio

@wut said:

@neongamewave: Sephiroth was toying with Cloud in Advent Children... He never took the fight seriously, just watch the video, and it is fairly obvious. Cloud never stood a chance and was constantly being over-whelmed, Sephiroth stabbed him when he was done playing with him.

The thing about Sephiroth is he does not take anyone seriously (Never needed to, he is just that strong) and tends to play with them never going all out. If he had gone all out, Cloud would have died when Sephiroth stabbed him. Cloud didn't 'beat' Sephiroth so much as catch him by surprise which Dante could do as well.

I watched the entire movie.... I know Sephiroth was toying with Cloud but how does that exactly save Sephiroth from the fact that Cloud isn`t even 10% of basic level Dante?

I agree that Sephiroth is fairly powerful but most if not all of that power rests within his magic. Dante is highly and I mean HIGHLY resistant to the most powerful as well as pure magic ever and even since his more youthful years, its never truly hindered him. Dante`s weapons unlike Cloud`s operate on a dimensional/soul level, his weapons can harm Mundus who is more powerful than Sephiroth and that`s not bringing into his account his hax.

@thelocust619 said:

@neongamewave: @wut:

Using ABC logic with Cloud doesn't really work...he struggles with Rude and Reno, then beats Diamond Weapon lol it was made pretty clear the entire game that Cloud is significantly weaker than Sephiroth, but he of all his crew was able to best him because he was connected to him. Sephiroth wouldn't treat Dante like Cloud, so that means no handicap, but also no mind control. Which is nice...

That said, Mundus was powerful, but he lacked the raw versatility that Sephiroth has, and concrete proof he was ascending to a planetary level. Now Dante and Sephiroth have a counter for basically everything the other can do with a few exceptions... Dante's Royal Guard is better than any defensive spell Sephiroth has, Sparda>Masamune, Sephiroth's regen is constant (when cast) and Sephiroth has 2 different ways to cast the spell Death. Or three, idr. IMO, no Dante but DMC 4 Dante even stands a chance, but at max power...honestly between magic, Jenova powers, Kingdom Hearts abilities, and absorbing the lifestream, Sephiroth outclasses Dante in versatility, which is his greatest strength. Not saying being able to stab hundreds of times in a direction isn't effective, but endlessly spamming a nova counter every couple seconds, casting lasting magic that stays in effect while attacking physically....its no contest. Sephiroth would lay it down harder than any boss Dante's ever faced. It's not a stomp, but I'd give Sephiroth 8/10

Mind control doesn`t affect Dante and Sephiroth being a magical character isn`t saving him..... You haven`t actually debunked the facts especially since your overlooking the fact that Cloud is a flee comapred to Dante so to make that comparison or connection isn`t really a valid voice of opinion neither is it fact, your actually and indirectly fashioning Sephiroth as a weak character since all he has ever fought or beaten is basic superhuman level characters which in DMC 3 was already made the norm right up until DMC 2 where things started to become universal and dimensional.... Not that it really matters because the concepts of universe and dimension was already present in the canon DMC 3 manga which takes place one year before DMC 3.

You clearly don`t know how powerful Mundus was....... Mundus worked on a dimensional level and I already went over everything listed here..... The fact that Mundus rules over a multifaceted realm which is the Underworld speaks volumes about his authoritative power. Magic is the last thing you want to use on Dante, his much weaker and less developed Devil Triggers absorb magic also Dante actually has the raw power advantage in magic, his weapons break spells and reality warping laws. Also what would Nova exactly do? Especially since supernova his most powerful technique as believed by many is an illusion and Dante always sees through illusions.... Ordinary meteors won`t do a thing when Dante can summon dragons in his Sparda DT form which breaks through large rocks, Mundus`s reality waring in one-shot and his defenses also he can spam his own forms of meteorites when in this form. Another thing is that the Sparda form isn`t even half of his Majin Form which is invulnerable to all damage and how is Sephiroth going to counter Yamato? Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts was driven away by Sora TWICE also Sora isn`t as powerful or as experienced as Dante is and I`m a HUGE Sora fan.... Dante is also faster than Sephiroth so, I don`t where are you gettting the idea that they match each other in every kind of way when Sephiroth`s only true advantage is his versatility in magic which wouldn`t matter anyway because magic never proved to be a kryptonite for Dante to begin with.

#6 Posted by NeonGameWave (7712 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice match :) Daizmon should win in this scenario but I think in terms of history, Luke is more impressive.

#7 Posted by NeonGameWave (7712 posts) - - Show Bio

@hunterzillas

Awesome opening!!! I`m going to showcase my counter argument soon and I can`t wait :)

#9 Posted by NeonGameWave (7712 posts) - - Show Bio

@bat_girl_cc

Good points and thanks for the explanation :)

I think while its true that the anime team with them being a team will have the numeric advantage and would be able to plot seamlessly as well as simultaneously for how they plan one step at a time, I think Batman has enough experience to give fact to the credibility that he could hold his own and pull it off against the anime team, Knightfall, The Long Halloween and many more storylines relevant to his overall character would be some great examples but with him having prep makes things more interesting in this specific scenario.

#10 Edited by NeonGameWave (7712 posts) - - Show Bio

I would count in Raziel not only for his sheer awesomeness but just because he made the underrated wraith look and sound cool, cooler than some werewolves, vampires and etcetera. Especially with him being a former vampire, his motivations being motivated by the vampire Kain is just undeniably pure epic!!! But there are just too many to name, Raziel is the first that comes to mind in regards to being an unpredictable and unpicked choice.