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@entropy_aegis: Batman was no more a detective and great scientist in Nolan's trilogy than he was in Burton’s; he left Fox to do almost everything for him. That’s still a drastic change in his personality. It's a major part of who batman is. If batman started killing in the comics for the greater good, would that be ok with you? Look i'm not bashing your Nolan god, but its far from the perfect batman representation that Nolan fans make it out to be. I started the thread because Burton deserves credit, a lot more than some batman fans give him. I think his take worked fine for batman and for the time, and his fantasy influence was only really felt on returns. Then again this is just my opinion, everyone’s is different

@sinestro_GL said:

@entropy_aegis: You're REALLY more of a fanboy than I thought.

Look, I like Batman as much as the next guy, but seriously, the level of fanboyism in some of your posts is worse than trolling.

I've been thinking the same.

Oh and just so people know, I'm not a fanboy when it comes to the films, i enjoy both the Burton and Nolan films. I just have to give credit when i think people deserve it, and Burton deserves it.

@comicdude23: Nolan's films can't even touch Burton when it come's to the Bat-mania Batman89 caused. It re-launched Batman everywhere, Batman hadn't been as popular since the 60's. Batman and Batman merchandise was everywhere. Yeah Begins was a brill reboot of batman, but thats it. Yeah it shook off the schumacher films, but if you compere the amount of merch, the impact, and influence it had on batman, Burton's Batman89 wins hands down.

@Humanoid: Yeah that was Batman Returns.

I wouldn't get the Dark Knight Returns set if i had the option. The chest emblem is wrong on batman, and so is the colour scheme. If you want the Dark Knight Returns set, you'll be better getting the orginal single set figures off ebay if you can.

@wessaari:

You do make a good point about everything.

I don't think he butchered Batman and Penguin. I like penguin in Returns, his origin is weird, but hey it’s interesting. Just my opinion though :-)

The origin where a young Joker was Bruce’s parent’s killers was done for screen tension more than anything I think. It worked at the time I suppose. Catwoman was crazy though.

I see where your coming from with Nolan's films and the realistic take, but as you mention with Marvel, they don't really offer that much of a realistic take to their superhero films. They stick with the costumes, the silliness and action of a comic and it pays off. It looks like a comic book film. I think Burton did achieve that in a sense without dragging Batman back to the campy ness.

Batman:TAS defiantly helped batman grow even further. It even gave us Mask of Phantasm. Both wouldn’t have been possible without Burton as we agree.

I get what you mean with the "Burton feel", but Batman89 was only his 3rd film after Pee-Wee and Beetle Juice, both comedies. Beetle juice was maybe more horror comedy, when i think about. The "Burton feel" definitely had more presence in Batman Returns after what he'd done with Edward Scissorhands.

I love the Batmobile. I'd say the batwing is my favourite though, the whole scene with it is brill.

Before I begin, I want to state that this isn’t a thread about which director’s franchise is better, or who has the better films. I enjoy both the Burton and the Nolan films, but I feel that since Nolan’s films, Burton’s gets bashed a lot. The Burton films need respect in my opinion, and I think the bat fans that think Nolan is god, need to realise that Burton did a lot for Batman, maybe even more than Nolan. Nolan’s films are no more nearer the Batman we get in the comics, than Burton’s are.

Burton’s Batman89 launched Batman into the late 80’s, early 90’s for the people who weren’t familiar with the character other than 60’s Batman. He brought back the brooding dark side of the character with a bang. Batman-mania was again running rampart like it was in the 60’s, and that was because of Burton. I honestly don’t think that Nolan’s Batman had the impact that Burton’s did. Begins was a great reboot, but compared to how Batman89 reached the masses and the merchandise that it produced, Begins can’t touch it. I’m going to get hate, but I don’t think any of the Nolan films can. The Nolan films grossed a lot of money and are rated highly, but that isn’t the argument here.

With out Burton/Batman mania, there would be no Batman:TAS, one of, if not the greatest superhero animated shows ever made. I'm not sure we'd have the Nolan films either.

I’m also sick of hearing that Nolan’s take is better, closer version. God, wake up and see that its no nearer than Burtons. The reason Burton gets so much flack is because of his take on Batman, his world and his villains. I’ve heard people say its too fantasy, where as Nolan’s is better because its realistic.

If you have constantly read Batman comics, you’ll know that Batman and his world are fantasy and sci/fi, not to the extreme of like a space adventure, but its there. One look at his rouges gallery should show you that. Also his outlandish vehicles and gadgets say the same. He’s also a master detective, master martial artist, peak human, fantastic scientist, works out constantly and patrols Gotham on a night with out showing any fatigue. It’s all a world of fantasy.

In Burton’s world Bruce/Batman is a tormented character, you can see from the way he carries himself, and how he broods. Joker is dangerous; he murders a whole restaurant just to see Vicky Vale, and then tries to kill all of Gotham. He also has the humour. Sounds like classic Joker to me. Joker’s skin is actually bleached white from toxic chemicals too.

I agree that Selina/Catwoman and Penguin changed some, but at least the Penguin is interesting. Penguin is also a great manipulator of the people, and has some tricks up his sleeve to throw at Batman. Sounds ok to me.

Selina is a bit off her rocker, but I think she made a great Catwoman.

There’s a cool Batmobile, Batboat(Returns), Batwing, that look like they come from a Batman comic.

Bruce is seen fixing his own Batmobile in returns, figures out the toxin in 89, destroys the Penguins popularity with the people by hacking the frequency. Sounds like a close comic book comparison to me so far.

Nolan changed the characters of Bane, Joker, Talia, and also Bruce’s skills further from the comics than what Burton did. Bruce relied on Fox way too much. I’ve mentioned Bruce figuring out the toxin and fixing his own stuff. It would have been Fox doing that in Nolan’s. Another argument is that Burton’s kills. Nolan’s didn’t save Ra’s. He blew up loads of parked cars when clearing a way for him to get to Joker when on the Batpod. How did he know they were empty? He let Harvey Dent die. We could nit pick all day.

This isn’t a battle between the two directors’s like I said above. I enjoy both of sets of films. I’m just sick of hearing all the praise that Nolan gets for getting an almost perfect Batman franchise, when it’s far from it. If you truly look and study everything (don’t know why anyone would want to, as that would really kill the film for me), it’s not as close to the comics as people think, and Burton's isn't as bad as people make out it is. Also remember, comics have outlandish things in them, that’s why they are fun.

@entropy_aegis: Just curious, but how did Bane pretend to be Ubu?