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#1  Edited By NazarethSavage

Why is she a celebrity here? Isn't this why we created America? So we can give royalty the finger?

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@Vance Astro said:
Wonder Woman is supposed to have the beauty of a goddess and Android 18 seems to be modeled after an average 80's teenager. Wonder Woman wins by miles.
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@Cochise said:

He stops at Black Canary or Nightwing, due to accumulated injuries.

And no way in hell is Canary taking Batman in a straight-up fight. Best she could hope for is to give him a great fight.

The outrunning bullet feat is nice but is contrary to years and years of her character being presented as not having speed on that level so it is painfully obvious that it's an outlier. Batman also has feats on that level FWIW.

Daredevil would also beat her.

I agree with this analysis but I don't know if Canary will beat him unless she uses the Canary cry even if he's not at 100%. I think he'll be injured enough though for Nightwing to take advantage. I also agree about Batman. There are several less skilled characters that Canary doesn't have comparable feats to before anyone can accurately say she's better than Bruce or even close. He's beaten better fighters than and bigger threats than Canary with injuries.
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@BlackReaper said:

Hulk looks white to you?

He doesn't look white to me but he is.
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Here's a simple one.... 

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Sun Wukong is a character from a chinese novel, known as Journey to the West. Sun Wukong is a monkey god who has vast strength,flies on a cloud,uses a staff weapon that grows in size (same as Goku & Son Son), he has superhuman strength & speed, he's also a great fighter & a shapeshifter. In human form he's unable to hide his tail (like Goku) he's from a clan of other monkeys (like the Saiyans), and there are other characters from Journey to the West that seem to pop-up in Dragonball. There is an Bull King which is probably the inspiration for Chi-Chi's father,Ox-King..There is a pig character that is probably the inspiration for Oolong,etc. Son Goku is the Japanese name for Sun Wukong and there are several different animes & mangas that have a Goku such as (Dragonball Z,Saiyuki,Monkey Typhoon,& Goku: Midnight Eye. 
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@ItsDaveyJ said:

@NazarethSavage: If you look at a long running series... in essence what are they? A compilation of many scenarios. And often when you create one scenario... it opens the door for 2 other scenarios to follow after it. The problem is that Marvel just hasn't had someone to make those scenarios. It's not due to a lack of potential.

I mean let's look at the first issues of X-men for an example. The very first issue was a very simple scenario... X-men fight off a bad guy with Magnetic powers. Okay.

A while later someone goes...

"Hey... what if we made Magneto have this backstory as a Jew during the Holocaust?"

"Ooooooh and because of his experiences he forms this view about mutants that conflicts with Professor X's!"

"And then we can write about how Magneto and Prof. X really actually like each other as people but they just disagree!"

"And then we can write about..."

And so on and so forth.

One idea fuels another is what I'm trying to say.

As for the issue of Marvel attempting this... well that's a whole other bag of worms that is worthy of it's own thread of discussion. "Why doesn't Marvel have many solo series for women, black characters, asian characters, hispanic characters, middle eastern characters, gay characters, transgender characters, etc.?"

I'm not going to take this any further. I don't see this being a good idea or even something Marvel could pull off even if they put their best writers on it. I'll just leave it at that.
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@ItsDaveyJ said:

@NazarethSavage I believe that it could be done. Hell, if I can come up with a bunch of scenarios I don't see why a professional writer can't. And making a new villain really wouldn't be that difficult. People forget that a person doesn't need super powers to cause trouble for the protagonist. They don't even have to be evil. They just have to cause conflict.

I don't think that problem is, "coming up with scenarios". Anyone can come up with a scenario..but an ongoing doesn't last for 1-12 issues, it's supposed to keep going for as long as the company can sustain it, I don't see the writers being able to continuously have the ideas to fill issues.  I also still don't see Marvel even trying this, considering female & black characters especially as far as Marvel is concerned can't seem to hold on. 
 
@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

I should have made it more clear in my post. I meant the Marvel female solos not lasting.

Makes more sense.
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@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

Great post. Agreed 100%. Plus, most of the female solo books are spin-off from a more popular male counter-part (Supergirl to Superman, Captain Marvel to Captain Marvel, Wolverine to X-23, Batman to Batgirl, Conan ro Red Sonja, etc.),but none seem to last. I just wish they would give Storm, arguably their most popular and rcongnizable female super heroine (with a pretty vocal fanbase), a shot at a solo. Either way, I am in that skeptical category right along with ya.

Supergirl, Batgirl, & Red Sonja have lasted. Those are three of the longest running solo books with a female lead and they are still going now. I think Red Sonja's book is called Queen Sonja now though.
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@Blood1991 said:

@NazarethSavage: Plus she is an X-Man which also have a bad track record with solo's. I would love them to try it and it succeed, but I understand why they probably won't do it. Still if they are not careful DC will beat them to the punch.

I used to give Marvel more credit then this. Back when I started reading comics against in 2000, it seemed like Marvel could do no wrong. Now it's like not only are they seemingly running out of decent ideas, everything seems to be a gimmick or a random thought. They never seem to take the time anymore and look at what they're doing wrong. They keep doing the same stuff over and over again. I would love for Marvel to take a black female superhero and make her one of their premier characters but if anyone I think they'd try Misty Knight before Storm. 
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@Blood1991 said:

@NazarethSavage: I don't believe a black female character has ever had a solo series, though Misty Knight was the central character in the last Heroes for Hire series which was great and underrated.

I know. I think most companies are afraid to try it. If Male characters dominate the market but Black Male characters don't sell, I'd assume that Marvel's logic is that a black female character wouldn't sell either. Marvel's female characters don't really sell. DC is really the only publisher who has that market cornered. There are publishers like Dynamite who have characters like Dejah Thoris,Vampirella,and Red Sonja that are doing pretty well but for the most part the most iconic and successful female characters come from DC. It's a stretch for Marvel to try and give a female character an ongoing in the first place so with Storm being black that's two strikes against her. 
 
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Hmmm... well that is where you and I disagree. I think it should support why Marvel should give her a try. If Marvel is willing to give their remotely unpopular white female character an on-going when compared to their immensely more popular black female character, then of course it is Marvel prerogative to do so. But it would seem more practical from a business perspective to push a popular character who hasn't had an on-going, before promoting a black/white male/female unpopular character. But to your point, if Marvel is to model how they do business I would argue that they should never have a female solo on-going because they can't or haven't shown to be capable of sustaining one. DC is completely different from Marvel so DC being able to have several female solo on-goings do well does not mean Marvel will or has had that same luck. To the contrary they haven't, so if I am to use your logic, from the perspective of making money, they should never attempt to market a female on-going.

That's actually not more practical. If you're looking at the market and you see that a certain type of character has nearly no chance of selling, why would you give a character of that type an ongoing? How is that a smart business move for Marvel? Marvel hasn't been successful with female ongoings but they aren't going to stop because that reaches out to a different and larger demographic that Marvel wants to capture.  And if they are going to do it they aren't going to go with an idea that nobody has ever pulled off even remotely.
 
@butterflykyss said:

If STorm wasn't actively advancing their business, which I don't believe you can disprove or prove that statement, they would just kill her off.

This isn't true. Far more than half the characters on their roster aren't actively advancing their business and they don't kill everyone off. The only characters that are, are characters with ongoings and products based specifically on them. (Films,Video Games,Television Shows etc). 
 
@butterflykyss said:

IF that statement is true why do Marvel continue to put her in tons of merchandising, games, etc. 

Well first of all you're exaggerating and second of all she's part of one of the most popular teams in comics so where ever you see X-Men, you see Storm. I'm not talking about cheap merchandise and cameos i'm talking about controlling the fate of the company. Storm doesn't have that level of control. If they did kill her off, nothing would be different..they'd still be making the same level of profit. 
 
@butterflykyss said:

For example, there was much backlash from the marriage of Storm to BP from both fans of the characters. Marvel ultimately annulled the marriage. So do I think Marvel has to answer to me personally, of course not nor would I ever claim so. However, to the masses of people who read them they owe them a listening ear if they continue to wish to make profit.

I think Marvel's decision to annul that marriage was more so because it made sense to end it for the advancement of Black Panther. Tom Brevoort (Marvel Editor) said that because of how Black Panther is structured it was hard to develop their relationship so I don't really think the fans had much to do with it.