NazarethSavage

Anyone want to actually make a case for Beta Ray Bill or does he win because he's not an anime character lol?

I didn't compare Nolan's Batman to horse racing, I compared your falling asleep when watching Batman to my falling asleep watching horse racing - implying that those reactions don't say anything about quality, just preference. 

Likewise when you say Nolan writes villains well, I think you're wide off the mark of where the real appeal of those movies lies. 

The main issue (of a few) Nolan's Batman faces is that it's not a terribly good Batman as a character film, but I already explained why I think that in my previous posts.

@NazarethSavage:

Yeah, I thought Batman's fight with the SWAT team at the end of The Dark Knight was way better than any of Bruce's fights with Bane in Rises.

Isnt small changes as people love to say it, those changes are huge

Besides Batman has over 70 years of comics, those things are graphic novels and dont last ages and redefine their characters every now and then.

There isnt many writters and many vision for a character, for the same want a Batma movie that follows the same logic it would last 10 000 hours.

scott pilgrim sucked ass, and if that was close to its source material then the comic must of suck ass as well. 

Lies, Watchmen redesigns the costumes and change the colors, not only that, all the last part of the movie was change.

Sin City and 300 arent about Supeheroes, so there is no point to talk about those, since both of those thing are based on movies and for the same will work in a movie.

Sin City is based on noir films and 300 was a movie Frank Miller saw as a children.

It would make more sense to compare Scott Pilgrim for the type of comic book it was, but still they change many things.

Ummmm.... Where's Klandicar, Hoboseid, Spike and me?

It's an adaptation of a work to another medium, i'd think it's obvious it wouldn't be exactly the same as the comics, that it's impossible for it to be. That also says nothing about the actual content of the film. It doesn't judge the film itself on what it actually is. So criticizing it for that aspect of it comes across as completely unnecessary. That's how I see it anyways.

 There are some aspects of the film that I can understand people complaining about and some I can't that (to me) just comes off as nitpicking where a person's trying to find a reason to dislike the movie, like saying they changed it from the comics so it sucks.

That doesn't actually say anything about the films themselves, though, and you can hardly blame people for not being spot on in guessing your relationship to them. I fall asleep watching horse racing - that doesn't mean horse racing is overrated, it just means horses bore me to tears. The Nolan Batman films pay very little attention to what the Batman and Joker are in terms of established characters, and rather take a step back and interpret them both. The result is two very fascinating character studies, but obviously not fan-service to any preconceived notions. I'll definitely grant that they're not the best Batman films, because they give little attention to who the Batman is and what makes him cool in his comic book and cartoon incarnations - but that certainly doesn't diminish their success at simply being great movies. This is exactly what I mean by people praising them for the wrong reasons. They are *not* great representations of established characters, they are *not* the most satisfying THING WHERE BATMAN PUNCHES A DUDE, they're great, interesting stories extrapolated from the icons of Batman and Joker. As such, they're the work of a storyteller, not of a translator.

And as Rises proves, a storyteller that doesn't handle scale very well, because geez, that film has some MAJOR issues with basic geography and time.

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True, but the actions scenes just didn't work for me. There was the fight at the racetrack which looked cool with the whips, but though Whiplash looked menacing, Iron Man really did very little. Whiplash being defeated by a car undermined the whole scene for me. Then there was Iron Man vs. War Machine which was about as basic as could be. Punch...one character gets throw threw wall. Punch, another character lands on a piano. Yawn. The fight scene at the end where Iron Man and War Machine take on the bots was awesome, but even that was bit short for a final scene. I don't even recall any other Iron Man fights.

To each their own, but it didn't work for me.

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@NazarethSavage:

I'm with Death on this one though I cannot seem to get any of my friends to agree with me. Iron Man 2 was not good. There were no good action scenes except the one at the end. That's a pretty significant flaw for an action movie. The plot was just kind of meandering, and it had no themes worth mentioning. It was okay as a setup for Avengers, I guess.

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Everything that's praised to the level of The Dark Knight will get a similarly strong backlash. If they're "overrated", they are likewise overBErated. This is true for anything.

I will say I think Rises gets an unfair pass because people just went into it with a TDK is the bestest thing ever, so this will be, too! state of mind, when in truth Rises has some huge, fundamental problems. To be completely honest, I think a lot of people praise The Dark Knight without understanding what it is about it that is worthy of praise. When you go "grit - check, elaborate villain monologues - check, dramatic music - check" and think those equate Rises to TDK, you will most definitely shower Rises with more love than it deserves.

Not to harp on the point and sound like a jerk, but the fact that you have a huge number of people championing The Dark Knight without grasping why they should, also means you get a large portion of naysayers that have no reasonable arguments to argue against - thus birthing the hands being thrown in the air and movie deemed "overrated".

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Well they are overrated. I think once Iron Man 3 drops, that will be the better trilogy of films. RDJR's Iron Man>>>>Bale's Batman.

Did you saw Ironman 2? That movie was awful, just for that movie that trilogy is never going to be a great trilogy.