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#1 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1555 posts) - - Show Bio

@aahz said:

@squalleon: I was more looking for pre New 52 comics of him working along side Batman or solo in Gotham.

@nathaniel_christopher said:

Since Tim was the first Robin to have his own series, there are numerous trades you can buy with him as Robin, even outside of working with Bruce or the Teen Titans. .

They also published regularly solo stories for Dick when he was Robin (=before 1980), but they are not as good as the newer.

@nathaniel_christopher said:

I've always wanted them to go back and write new adventures for Dick and Jason set during their Robin days.

Especially Jason would deserve some new stories, his original run was extremely short and he was very inconsistently written (even his pre crisis counter part had more comics and was better written). And that one of the best comics about of him beeing Robin (Nighwing Year One) is actually a Dick Grayson story is really unfair. I would really like a to read something like "Robin: Year One" with Jason.

I think, especially in light of the Flashpoint reboot, they should do a separate Robin: Year One for Dick, Jason, and Tim, chronicling their adventures during their first year of crimefighting. Even with the fact that they were each only with Bruce for a short amount of time now I think a lot of adventures could be packed in. After all, every night's a different story. Jason's of course could end with his death. Dick's could end with him becoming Nightwing. And Tim's could end with him just going out on his own to eventually form the Teen Titans. I know their origins are being covered in the Batman series as it is, so these don't have to be origin stories, but rather many individual tales that took place when each of the brothers was starting out.

#2 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1555 posts) - - Show Bio

^That's pretty much all that comes to my mind as well. It's a fairly serious problem that both Dick and Jason suffer from. Since Tim was the first Robin to have his own series, there are numerous trades you can buy with him as Robin, even outside of working with Bruce or the Teen Titans. I've always wanted them to go back and write new adventures for Dick and Jason set during their Robin days.

#3 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1555 posts) - - Show Bio

@aahz said:

But don't think there is so much difference between a Hollywood Spy and a Comic Book Spy.

Tim and Dick have skills to be assassins but i don't think they would actually kill another person (at least not with some mental breakdown afterwards).

Damien would be imho a horrible Spy, he has the skills but he is not able or willing to act like a normal person.

*shrug* I guess we'll see with Grayson.

Naah as they're currently written neither would kill another, though if you're writing the story it's easy enough to get around that.

#4 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1555 posts) - - Show Bio

By definition a spy is "a person who secretly collects and reports information on the activities, movements, and plans of an enemy or competitor."

That's the only type of spy I recognize, one that gathers information and can aptly defend himself to get in and out of situations, because that's a spy's main job. Everything else is extra. James Bond is great, I love his films, i'll probably buy and watch some within the next few days, but he's what I think of as a Hollywood Spy, meant to make it look good and glamorous for the big screen. Now don't get me wrong, sometimes a spy may have to assassinate or kill someone during a mission, because variables change all the time in those situations. That's where Tim's training from Bruce comes in, and why I say any of the Robin's could be Spies, because they've all received the physical training and conditioning to fight, and kill people if need be. Though, given the appearances of all (Dick, Jason, Tim, and probably Damian if we ever see him return and age, and even throw in Terry), the male members of this family could all play the James Bond, smooth, casanova, lady killer role.

And if I wanted solely an assassin i'd probably go with Damian. In terms of cold, ruthless detachment he seems to have that down the best, and won't let his emotions before, during, or after the event get in the way. Again, I believe any of the Robin's could be assassins, but I think Damian's the best suited to having it as his main trade, and of course it helps that he was trained from birth to do that lol if not Damian though it'd be Jason, though I also would expect to see a little more collateral damage from Jason than I would Damian.

#5 Edited by Nathaniel_Christopher (1555 posts) - - Show Bio

@aahz said:

@daredevil21134 said:

Jason Todd is fine the way he is now and could have been better pre 52 if DC knew how to handle anti heroes better but rather than have Jason call Batman out on his failed justice system they turned him into a complete waste and stripped him from everything cool

The problem with Jason pre 52 was in my opinion, that his goal was to kill of the most dangerous Batman villains. But since these guys are fare to important for the franchise he could only kill some nameless drug dealers. In Under the Hood he could have easily killed Black Mask and the Joker, but didn't do it, and even Captain Nazi somehow survived.

@nathaniel_christopher said:

On average, Jason's not subtle enough to be a spy, more like a blunt instrument.

In Red Hood the Lost Days he is basicly undercover in several criminal organisations, so he is able to be subtle if he wants to and he is able to kill if it is necessary.

Even the most impatient person can be the exact opposite when called for or in dire circumstances. Even the most controlled person can give himself over to anger and irrationality, which is why I said "On average", as in most consistently. It's not out of the ordinary for Tim to be that way, which is part of why I said out of all the Robin's he'd fit. That doesn't mean that none of the other Robins could be a spy. They're all capable of being one, including most other members of the Bat Family as well, because most of the skills they learn from Bruce or their other teachers can easily be applied to it. I'm saying that Tim's the one I think would fit best.

#6 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1555 posts) - - Show Bio

There's no reason for their to be a new thread man.

#7 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1555 posts) - - Show Bio

@scouterv said:

@nathaniel_christopher: He seemed pretty obsessed with Grayson though. Even The Outsider had to remind him that it wasn't the same Grayson as his own.

Not to the same extent as Bruce. Dick was more of a curiosity than anything else. His big beef, that realistically will probably be explored down the line depending on the writers, was with Bruce, and the mystery surrounding their connection. Even if he faced Dick at some point, it'd probably be to get to Bruce somehow.

#8 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1555 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134 I think that any member of the Bat Family has the skills, but that Tim's the best fit all around. Though I again haven't followed in Post-Flashpoint for quite a while, so it may no longer apply.

#9 Edited by Nathaniel_Christopher (1555 posts) - - Show Bio

@nathaniel_christopher said:

@daredevil21134 said:

@nathaniel_christopher said:

@jayc1324 said:

Jason should have stayed dead from 1988. He's done nothing except be a nuisance since then. He was more important and had more a legacy being dead than he does being alive now.

Bingo, though, Under the Hood was a good, solid story. It was all downhill after that however.

Jason Todd is fine the way he is now and could have been better pre 52 if DC knew how to handle anti heroes better but rather than have Jason call Batman out on his failed justice system they turned him into a complete waste and stripped him from everything cool

You're right. He could've been better, but he wasn't. I also agree that now, after much failure, they've found a good place for the character though.

In terms of the thread question, I don't much like the idea of Dick Grayson as a spy, much less Jason Todd. If anything, I think Tim Drake fits that role better than any of Bruce's "sons"

Hmmmmm Tim a Spy? Why Tim?

I've always classified them fairly easily. More than any of the others, any member in the family really, Dick thrives in the spotlight. On average, Jason's not subtle enough to be a spy, more like a blunt instrument. Damian would be a great assassin, but his personality doesn't really mesh with being a spy. Tim's the guy who's the best at gathering information and connecting pieces of a puzzle , which is why he was such a good detective. (Though i'm also speaking of Pre-Flashpoint Tim. I haven't kept up with him since the beginning of the Reboot, so he could be completely different now)

#10 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1555 posts) - - Show Bio

@nathaniel_christopher said:

@jayc1324 said:

Jason should have stayed dead from 1988. He's done nothing except be a nuisance since then. He was more important and had more a legacy being dead than he does being alive now.

Bingo, though, Under the Hood was a good, solid story. It was all downhill after that however.

Jason Todd is fine the way he is now and could have been better pre 52 if DC knew how to handle anti heroes better but rather than have Jason call Batman out on his failed justice system they turned him into a complete waste and stripped him from everything cool

You're right. He could've been better, but he wasn't. I also agree that now, after much failure, they've found a good place for the character though.

In terms of the thread question, I don't much like the idea of Dick Grayson as a spy, much less Jason Todd. If anything, I think Tim Drake fits that role better than any of Bruce's "sons"