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@valarmelkor said:
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@valarmelkor: when does Naruto ever display saiyan-level strength? I might be forgetting something, so if you have an example please share

Naruto's strength feats:

-Effortlessly Lifted Pain's giant rhino summon in a much weaker form then EoS

-Destroyed Pain's Chibaku Tensei which dwarfed a mountain range (He was in Eight tailed state for this, but he has superior strength feats in stronger forms so this can still be used as a feat here).

-Deflected five mountain busting Biju Bombs several kilometers away.

-Cut off Kaguya's arm (Her durability is at least at the same level as Juubi).

-Overpowered Toneri's attack which cut the moon in half.

Saiyan Saga Goku is superior to Naruto using energy attacks, and he has better durability, but he doesn't have strength feats on his level yet.

Bolded aren't physical strength feats for Naruto. First one was Kyuubi, as you mentioned, when then can't be applied to Naruto because there's no proof that he has equal physical strength in any of his other forms, minus Bijuu Mode obviously since that's Kyuubi, and he's actually swung Tailed Beasts around in that form as well.

Second one was a speed feat.

Third one again wasn't a physical strength feat. He imbued his arm with the chakra from his cloak and used that to counter Toneri's attack (Making it an energy attack), he then physically punched Toneri afterwards and did nothing more than creater a crater on the moon.

First one can be applied to Naruto because he has all the strength of Kyuubi in humanoid Biju Mode. Second one is a strength feat, because he was effortlessly able to deflect five mountain busters. Third one you're right about, I forgot about that.

In Bijuu Mode, but not in his Chakra Mode, which I assume is the most he'll be using here since his Bijuu Arm/Hand would dwarf Goku's to the point that a wrestling match wouldn't be possible. The Tailed Beasts Cloaks and Chakra Mode's don't have strength equal to that of the actual Bijuu itself.

No it's not, because he used speed to deflect those mountain busters. He physically never touched them.

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@jtmac005 said:

@valarmelkor: when does Naruto ever display saiyan-level strength? I might be forgetting something, so if you have an example please share

Naruto's strength feats:

-Effortlessly Lifted Pain's giant rhino summon in a much weaker form then EoS

-Destroyed Pain's Chibaku Tensei which dwarfed a mountain range (He was in Eight tailed state for this, but he has superior strength feats in stronger forms so this can still be used as a feat here).

-Deflected five mountain busting Biju Bombs several kilometers away.

-Cut off Kaguya's arm (Her durability is at least at the same level as Juubi).

-Overpowered Toneri's attack which cut the moon in half.

Saiyan Saga Goku is superior to Naruto using energy attacks, and he has better durability, but he doesn't have strength feats on his level yet.

Bolded aren't physical strength feats for Naruto. First one was Kyuubi, as you mentioned, when then can't be applied to Naruto because there's no proof that he has equal physical strength in any of his other forms, minus Bijuu Mode obviously since that's Kyuubi, and he's actually swung Tailed Beasts around in that form as well.

Second one was a speed feat.

Third one again wasn't a physical strength feat. He imbued his arm with the chakra from his cloak and used that to counter Toneri's attack (Making it an energy attack), he then physically punched Toneri afterwards and did nothing more than creater a crater on the moon.

#4 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (2072 posts) - - Show Bio

For anyone not aware, because I wasn't until today, it looks like Nightwing's original series (He's had two) is going to be entirely reprinted, giving us all the chance to find and collect comics that currently go for quite a bit. In fact, they're reprinting them in larger collected volumes, making them even easier to obtain.

The first contains the issues that were previously collected in the Ties that Bind and A Knight in Bludhaven trades, the second continues right afterwards, and the third is slated to come out in January of 2016. Personally, i'm excited beyond words for this and I already picked up the second volume at a local comic shop a few hours ago. It's during what I, and many others, consider to be the best time in Dick Grayson's series, featuring the writing of Chuck Dixon and this honestly brings back a ton of good memories. I've been meaning to hunt down Dick's trades for years now, so these reprinted editions couldn't have come at a better time.

With the whole reboot and New 52 angle I know that not all of these can be counted as canon anymore, but I still think there an essential part to any Dick Grayson, and even Batman, comic book collection.

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@kingogkings777 said:

Wasn't there a One piece guy who had a light speed attack?

You're probably thinking of Kizaru, when he asked a dude if he's ever been kicked at the speed of light. (One of the greatest moments in the series in my opinion, and an excellent reason as to why he's one of my favorite characters lol) Though he's also able to turn into light.

#6 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (2072 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre-52-Dick beat Jason multiple times, therefore making the New 52 the only version of this fight worth considering.

(And if Battle for the Cowl and other stories are still canon, Dick's still beaten Jason before)

#7 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (2072 posts) - - Show Bio

@nathaniel_christopher: I did read the first chapter, and the first episode was confirmed to take place 6 months after buu so I was wrong about that. But there isn't proof that Battle of Gods has been retconned yet, we have to wait until something proves it like if in episode 2 beerus comes to earth and goku doesn't know who it is.

Well that's what I said, there's nothing to say it's been retconned.

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Toneri cut the moon in half.

Hagoromo and Hamura created the moon when they defeated their mother, through the use of Chibaku Tensei. And Naruto and Sasuke did the same at the story's end when they defeated Kaguya, though they lost the ability to do this afterwards.

Based on actual feats each of the Bijuu, and by extension anyone hosting one, is mountain level easily.

Pein was village level, being capable destroying all of Konohagakura with Shinra Tensei, and i'd by extension give the same ranking to anyone that possessed the Rinnegan.

So by the end of the story Naruto and Sasuke are the most powerful characters alive, with maybe only Hagoromo, Hamura, and Kaguya being stronger, and Toneri appearing to be about the same level, if not slightly lower. Naruto's destroyed mountains, and Sasuke's used attacks of equal power in their last fight. In terms of sheer destructive force i'm inclined to class both of them as village busters, though this is at the time of their last fight in the Valley of the End. By the time of The Last (2 years after their fight), Naruto alone has grown stronger, and by the time of the Gaiden, which skips around at least 12 years after The Last both of them seem to have grown even stronger still (Though Naruto is noted to be somewhat rusty when it comes to battle, by Kyuubi) So just how much both grew in a timeskip of at least 14 years is unknown.

I'm extremely inclined to disagree. Naruto became a multi mountain buster once he accessed Bijuu Mode (Becoming pals with Kurama). Multi-mountain >> Village.

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And Naruto at VotE is >>> Bijuu Naruto. And The Last Naruto > VotE Naruto. And current Naruto >?= The Last Naruto.

So I'd rank it at

Bijuu Naruto: Multi-mountain

VotE Naruto: Low to mid continent

The Last Naruto: Moon

Current Naruto: Continent level at minimum, unknown maximum.

I consider mountains to be smaller than a village put together. Though you replace either or depending on what your scale is. Mountain or Village.

I absolutely don't agree with VOTE Naruto being Continent Level, as I see no way for people to even begin proving that. Nor do I agree with The Last being moon level, for the same reason. Same logic applies to Current Naruto, though I did point out that both of the last two versions improved to an unknown degree, so the possibility is there. However its really just opinion as they don't have those kind of feats.

You're kidding, right? Here: http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Naruto/Naruto-676--The-infinite-dream?id=196504

In this Chapter madara is easily creating meteors from a continent-sized land mass. You can tell because of the curvature of the planet. Naruto's attacks in the same chapter are casual yet he is easily destroying several of the meteors with one bijuu rasenshuriken. He could easily fly up in the air and bombard a continent, destroying it. Also, to say he's not moon level when he in fact tanked an attack that cut the moon in half...come on. That's like saying I can cut a building in half but I’m not building level unless I atomize it!?!?!? Or that superman can tank a nuke but he’s not nuke level unless he exerts the same destructive force!?!?! Kaguya is planet level in destructive capacity. To say her sons and her grandsons aren’t around moon-level when the moon has been tied to so many of their feats in the story is very ridiculous. SMH Goku is solar system level – at least – yet we never see him destroy a solar system but Naruto tanks a moon-splitting attack and yet people say he isn’t moon level; the lack of consistent logic gets on my nerves -_-

Well damn, I never noticed how far above the planet Madara's Chibaku Tensei rocks went. I stand corrected then.

Never mentioned Kaguya's sons or grandsons though and how powerful they were or weren't. Simply the Moon Creation feat from Hagoromo and Hamura.

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@nathaniel_christopher said:

Toneri cut the moon in half.

Hagoromo and Hamura created the moon when they defeated their mother, through the use of Chibaku Tensei. And Naruto and Sasuke did the same at the story's end when they defeated Kaguya, though they lost the ability to do this afterwards.

Based on actual feats each of the Bijuu, and by extension anyone hosting one, is mountain level easily.

Pein was village level, being capable destroying all of Konohagakura with Shinra Tensei, and i'd by extension give the same ranking to anyone that possessed the Rinnegan.

So by the end of the story Naruto and Sasuke are the most powerful characters alive, with maybe only Hagoromo, Hamura, and Kaguya being stronger, and Toneri appearing to be about the same level, if not slightly lower. Naruto's destroyed mountains, and Sasuke's used attacks of equal power in their last fight. In terms of sheer destructive force i'm inclined to class both of them as village busters, though this is at the time of their last fight in the Valley of the End. By the time of The Last (2 years after their fight), Naruto alone has grown stronger, and by the time of the Gaiden, which skips around at least 12 years after The Last both of them seem to have grown even stronger still (Though Naruto is noted to be somewhat rusty when it comes to battle, by Kyuubi) So just how much both grew in a timeskip of at least 14 years is unknown.

I'm extremely inclined to disagree. Naruto became a multi mountain buster once he accessed Bijuu Mode (Becoming pals with Kurama). Multi-mountain >> Village.

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And Naruto at VotE is >>> Bijuu Naruto. And The Last Naruto > VotE Naruto. And current Naruto >?= The Last Naruto.

So I'd rank it at

Bijuu Naruto: Multi-mountain

VotE Naruto: Low to mid continent

The Last Naruto: Moon

Current Naruto: Continent level at minimum, unknown maximum.

I consider mountains to be smaller than a village put together. Though you replace either or depending on what your scale is. Mountain or Village.

I absolutely don't agree with VOTE Naruto being Continent Level, as I see no way for people to even begin proving that. Nor do I agree with The Last being moon level, for the same reason. Same logic applies to Current Naruto, though I did point out that both of the last two versions improved to an unknown degree, so the possibility is there. However its really just opinion as they don't have those kind of feats.