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#1  Edited By MysterioMaximus

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"Ah you mean I don't get to see another X-Games Green Goblin! So the poster says Carnage anything about that?"

I remember first seeing Harry Osborne as the Green Goblin and thinking...good lord, change the colors up a bit and...my god...they brought the freaking Rocket Racer into the movies!
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@TheBug said:
"@MysterioMaximus said:
"@Dr. ? man said:
"Arkham has been decimated at the hands of Ra's Al Ghul, Bane and now Black Mask, I don't see the point in rebuilding a place that's destined to get blown up again. None of these inmates are ever going to be cured of anything. Aside from that, I believe the "Arkham becomes hell on Earth for the inmates" angle was already covered in Alan Grant's Shadow of the Bat."
I just don't think Batman fans want to live in a world without an Arkham Asylum. I know I sure don't. It's the imagery of it all. It completely reinforced the German expressionistic Gothic and psychological visual theme. It's not about the practicality. It's never been about curing them. I mean, rationally...a man wouldn't dress up like a Bat and jump from rooftop to rooftop in the first place. It's about the symbolism of the Bat titles. Arkham's not all that old compared to how old the franchise has been around, but the Asylum was a hit from the get go...and it's sure a keeper IMO. "

In a way Arkham has become a character itself, twisted and changing. Hopefully this will tap into the darker elements of Arkham, like A Serious House on Serious Earth did. "

Totally agree! It's not just a backdrop anymore. It has so much personality. A Serious House on Serious Earth is a masterpiece. It's actually probably my favorite Graphic Novel of all-time. I get chills just thinking about it...horrific, psychological, symbolic archtypes...everything that makes the Batman rogues the best and most iconic in history.
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Pssh! I find Venom to be just another bad guy to begin with. From the second he appeared in comic books. Tell me, what's so original, intellectual, or...anything outside of cool looking...about Venom? The sad truth's nothing. He's done nothing that Doc Ock or the Green Gobin haven't done better, smarter, and more of. Kraven the freaking Hunter arguably dealt him a worse blow than Venom ever did. I don't dislike the character, at least not as much as Raimi, but he's (by far) the most overrated comics character (for what he's done, which is nothing significant) ever made. He's a one-note "beat um up" and "violence is all you need, kids" villain. They're a dime a dozen.

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@Dr. ? man said:
"Arkham has been decimated at the hands of Ra's Al Ghul, Bane and now Black Mask, I don't see the point in rebuilding a place that's destined to get blown up again. None of these inmates are ever going to be cured of anything. Aside from that, I believe the "Arkham becomes hell on Earth for the inmates" angle was already covered in Alan Grant's Shadow of the Bat."

I just don't think Batman fans want to live in a world without an Arkham Asylum. I know I sure don't. It's the imagery of it all. It completely reinforced the German expressionistic Gothic and psychological visual theme. It's not about the practicality. It's never been about curing them. I mean, rationally...a man wouldn't dress up like a Bat and jump from rooftop to rooftop in the first place. It's about the symbolism of the Bat titles. Arkham's not all that old compared to how old the franchise has been around, but the Asylum was a hit from the get go...and it's sure a keeper IMO.
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#5  Edited By MysterioMaximus

Mysterio's obviously my favorite Spider-Man villain. In fact, he's just one of my favorite villains-Period! I'm just not sold on him on the big screen. He'd have to have his fishbowl head. It's a visual staple of the character, literally how you identify him. That would be like Doc Ock without tenticles or Wolverine without claws. It's just not right otherwise. But how do you pull that off without it coming off extremely saterical?

Sandman was obviously chosen for no other reason then the potential special effects extravaganza. Lets fact it, he was an odd choice for a film otherwise. He's never been especially significant in the Spider-Man history. He's really nothing but a glorified bank robber with usually one-note stories. Fun, but shallow. So on the plus side, Mysterio's even more so the special effects expose...because that's literally his super abilities. He's ever the illusionist and special effects master. The bonus is that I feel he's got a lot more depth, just sadly never truly reached or given a chance, then someone like the Sandman. He's so notoriously underused and overlooked. He's not your physical nemesis, he attacks the mind and that shtick's always more intelligent.

I'm not going to lie though...I really don't want Carnage. I always felt he was a copyright infringement. Just an utter rip-off of Venom, shamelessly marketing off of Brocks popularity,  combined with someones poor assessment of the Joker, who's far more than just some homicidal clown. He's so one-dimensional.

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#6  Edited By MysterioMaximus

I think there's potential here. Honestly, I don't want Arkham to change all that much though.

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I’d really love to see something akin to “Kraven’s Last Hunt”. Substitute Vermin for the Lizard, add some more action scenes, and you’ve got a pretty great story that would really steer the franchise in an intelligent and redeeming direction. Follow early Dr. Connors/Lizard appearances, though I’d personally keep him mainly more primal, having little to no dialogue in scaly form. Attempting to turn humanity into reptilian brethren does sound especially Sam Raimi B-movie shlock, but I’m not so sure how that’d come off on film. So I think I’d primarily keep him in the savage Todd McFarlane “humanoid velociraptor” portrayal. Also obviously alter the setting of his first appearance transmutation in the Florida everglades to the cesspools of New York City.

The interesting thing about the Lizard’s that, while perhaps he is yet another addition to the annals of duality dueling “Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde” inspired comic book caricatures, he’s also Peters close friend and inspiration. There in lies more drama than most villains. There’s a relationship outside of their otherworldly battle royals, no re-writes necessary. No unnecessary sympathy cords need to be edited into this origin story. No sick daughters and no brain-warping robotic arms making good people go bad, preventing the little kiddies from seeing genuine villainy. I’m not bitter. Anyway, empathy’s already included in the Lizards comic back-story. The personal connection felt between Parker and Osborne’s what made the Green Goblin into something truly memorable, so it is with the Lizard, merely overlooked. Spider-man’s put into a position in which he’s forced to literally beat upon someone he truly cares for. That’s powerful stuff that I’ve always felt was undersold as far as the characters worth goes.

We have people obsessing over (IMO) shallow villains like Venom and Carnage merely on murder merit. That doesn’t make a character. It’s their ethics and reasoning behind their oftentimes horrendous actions that truly defines what villains honestly are. Whether they be conscious of their amorality or otherwise. I’ve always felt that Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Kraven the Hunter, and the Lizard have had the largest effect upon Spider-Man throughout his mythos. All these characters added something far more personal then any of the others. Whether it be (purposely or otherwise) killing a loved one, drastically psychologically damaging Parker, having a personal relationship together outside the heightened heroics, or a bit of all three, they really stole the show away from the others. They’re almost all fun rivals, but those four had the most depth and/or won the greatest achievements over our friendly neighborhood hero. Utilize them, not the glorified bank robbers and one-dimensional galactic goop!

Being most feel the Lizard’s only the natural progression of the story and, considering the animalistic side of that role, this is the time to utilize the Great White Hunter. Every other villain would seem tacked on, whereas Kraven meshes perfectly with the Lizard. He may seem a bizarre choice. I’d have thought so too, that is before I read “Kravens Last Hunt,” in which they took (all be it) this B-grade villain that no one ever gave much of a glance to and truly transformed him into something profoundly deep, threatening, and even tragic. Splice in portions from the early Kraven stories, him hearing murmurs of some Lizard man in the sewers of the concrete jungle, maimed bodies turning up, desperate to hunt what’s never been hunted. He’s desperate for the catch, something that brings meaning back into his life. Enter Kraven the Hunter - Battling the man that took down his hunt: Spider-Man.

Of course for being a rather long-winded post that’s the shorthand of the script I’ve written in my head. Follow that and I believe you’d have a Grade A story.

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#8  Edited By MysterioMaximus
@kevinthegamer94: I can't say I really agree with that. As an advertising tactic, superheroes work particularly well. They don't have to be "name-brand," per se. There's a whole science behind attraction that's really not debatable. Certain colors, for example, are naturally more fetching or alluring than others. In marketing, one ploy used is actually something as simple as color. They have mass meetings about pallets and everything. The fact that superheroes are decked out in bright tights isn't some fashion statement, though capes are very shiek in my book, it was always a clever marketing strategy that the original comics creators have never denied. It doesn't matter who the face is so much as they're getting the attention. So coming from the perspective of a commercial, I'd say the best sort of mascot would be something akin to a cliche comics hero. Is it tacky and almost undermining the real-world issues at hand? Yes! But in the end, people are going to pay attention and that's the ultimate goal of an advert. Attention leads to thought, which is what they want people to do. Really stop and think about tolerance. So really I don't think the creators meant any more harm than say Timely Comics with their Captain 'Right-hook to the Jaw of Hitler' America debut issue. They meant well, despite being somewhat...um...god damned rediculous...

Also Deadkid, I don't think anyone is saying that politics and comic books are inherently oil and water. Comics shouldn't be nothing but glorified wrestling matches. They can, should, and have had an underlying intellect since inception. Politics is just a fragile subject that has to be treated with a level of respect to really be relevant instead of nearly humorous. Take V for Vendetta's and its dystopian totalitarian state. It's treated as a masterpiece that rivals Orwell's 1984. Politics can mesh especially well with comics so long as it's done properly for the narrative, but this isn't a story...it's a commercial and that means it'll also have different goals and agendas. So I can let it slide. 

Thanks you so much, Babs. That's very sweet. I'm such a freaking nerd...so this is now my dork sanctuary. I just have this bad tendency to write long and in-depth spiels about things most people never cared to look deep enough into. Hah! Especially about Batman characters. You'd think I was a psycho-therapist doing case studies on his patients. So I'm sorry for being so long-winded. I'm a writer, so I suppose boring people's my speciality. Oh and Green Hulk...totally pwn! Always go with the original! =]
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Well...I don't think it's really meant to be anything other then a catchy satire of the superhero genre pushing an agenda. So I'm not too worried if it makes superheroes look inherently juvenile. There are still people out there that go to a Batman film and expect Adam West "POW and BAM" expletives. That's a stigma we'll always fight, but you've got to look at this from less of a comic aficionados perspective and more from the shoes of propaganda. Brightly colored spandex and golden back-lighting makes for advert gold. Take Stan Lee and the infamous drug issue of the Amazing Spider-Man. When asked to do the issue, he knew that Peter Parker could noticeably present the problem way better than any crust old curmudgeon senator. 'Ole web-head would get far more attention. Take Capt. America, who's literally punching out Hitler on the cover of his very first appearance. The subtitle may as well be "America...FUCK YAH!" It's borderline undermining the Holocaust, tragic battles, and grim deaths that made the war...yet it also has this almost shameful appeal to it. It got your attention. Therein lies it's charm. He's entirely birthed out of WWII Americana and propagandized patriotism. Superheroes are noticeable archetypes, being the physical (though fictional, thus everlasting) embodiments of  positive traits, and though these specific super characters are original creations to their cause, they still represent that personified (albeit perhaps dated) imagery that Capt. America or the Amazing Spider-man were simultaneously once used for. So I can let it slide...despite the camp...as most superheroes can be used as a mascot.

But seriously, thanks for the interesting blog. I just joined today and was very nervous that it would be nothing but narrow vs. threads and blogs. You made this long-haired, liberal, hippie tree-hugger happy with the politics blend. 
Heh!  I could talk all day...just tell me to STFU. =]