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@sunhawk: He said that his new Joker poison could control people. It wouldn't matter who was playing the Joker, it would still be the Joker pulling the strings. Think of what it would do to Batman if he found out that the Joker he was fighting was someone like Alfred and knowing that he had no idea where or who the real Joker was would send him over the edge. Especially if Batman or Damien ended up killing Pennyworth. Imagine Batman knowing that Joker didn't kill Pennyworth, but He or Damien did. To me, that seems more in line with the psychotic actions of the Joker. They said this would be huge. That would be huge!

Again, just a thought.

What if the "Joker" that Damien kills turns out not to be the real Joker. What if, because the Joker's face was removed, that now many people can be Joker. What if that was the Chaos factor that Joker hoped for when removing his face. We would never know if the Joker that is fighting batman or disturbing Gotham is the real Joker. Maybe they are all puppets wearing his mask, one after the other, while he sits behind the curtain pulling the strings. Maybe what is revealed, is that Joker is now an enemy to be feared more than any other because he can't be found and yet he is always present (at least his face is!!)

This would allow for the true murder of the Joker (the one wearing the mask) while the real Joker remains alive and ready to use his next puppet. Let's also not forget that the skills that the Joker has portrayed so far are not like him. They are ninja-esque and seemingly beyond what he was ever capable of doing in the past. Maybe he wears the face of the person playing him while they are alive. That way he sees what others cannot. He could even be Alfred.

Just thoughts.

@RedheadedAtrocitus said:

I haven't seen all outward hate for Marz even if he does get plenty of flack for Emerald Twilight. I think the hate for Johns, which is negligible if you ask me (big Johns fan here), is proactive from the perceived standpoint that Johns' increased successes and all since 2005 are eventually going to plateau into mediocrity and eventually poor written work similar to Marvel's Brian Michael Bendis. At least that is my understanding. The only problem with what I said is, Johns actually does well where the other doesn't. Moreover, if Johns' work is plateauing in quality, it sure could have fooled me, for I think he's still consistently bringing us greatness on par with how he started on Rebirth in '05.

I couldn't agree more.

I'm not trying to be overly sadistic here but I am kind of hoping it is something much worse than some body part of Alfred. I'm kind of hoping it is something that will be a major game-changer... like a body part of each hero. I'm thinking about nighthawks left eye (because he wears a patch in Batman Beyond. Maybe it is something that takes all of the heroes out of the game (at least for a a while) except for maybe Damien and/or Jason Todd. Thoughts?

Let me add - I know we never saw Joker capture anyone other than BatGirl, Batman and Damien, but maybe that's why. Maybe the other were captured and that won't be revealed until Batman #17