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@superguy1591 He is definitely Greek. Where in the world did you get English and King Arthur from?

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@muyjingo: again, your problems dont have much to do with the direction. Not caring about the characters, or developing them is almost solely a scripting issue. It also probably has something to do with the fact that you actually care about the franchise. Furious 7 was the first one I saw, other than bits and pieces of the first one years ago.

You're wrong, and it's kind of arrogant for you to tell me what I have problems with and what I don't. I've worked in film, I'm fully aware of the different aspects of filmmaking and where to attribute problems.

I don't care about the franchise at all really, it's just dumb popcorn entertainment to me. Fast 5 was a good film, almost on the level of Oceans 11. The 6th one was a step down, but still mostly enjoyable. Furious 7 was like a bad parody of all the previous entries in the franchise somehow starring the same actors.

A good director would have the ability to overcome the limitations of the script, and he didn't. Whenever two characters were talking, there was no chemistry or emotion being shown. That's on the director. During the fights, there was no real anger in the fight. Look at the final fight with Statham and compare the first fight with Dom and the rock in fast 5. Again, that's on the director.

I could give more examples, but I'd rather just agree to disagree at this point.

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@noj said:

@muyjingo: The problem with the Furious movies arent direction, its scripting. Even people who dont like the ones he directed have to admit the action direction is pretty dang awesome. I wasnt in love with Furious 7, but that scene when they drive the car across those 3 skyscrapers was crazy awesome!

I disagree, although I'm aware I'm in the minority.

During Furious 7 I was shocked at just how bad it was. Yes, the dialogue and the script is partly to blame, but I feel it undid everything fast 5 accomplished by fleshing out these characters, and reduced them to overpowered cartoon cliches.

The car going through the skyscrapers didn't excite me at all, nor did the cars with parachutes. Not a single action scene in that movie excited me, because there was never any tension and so it was just boring CGI spectacle. Compare that with the action scenes in Fast 5. By the end when Statham and Dom were fighting I was just waiting for it to be over.

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@muyjingo: I think that them being in a shared universe is enough of an intersection. It's best that Aquaman and Wonder Woman have more varying backgrounds to better differentiate them and set them apart from each other. Otherwise it'll just be mythical greek sea king and mythical greek princess.

Plus, Polynesians were an incredible sea-faring people, so to make them Atlantean gives a nod towards history, as well as a boost in on-screen diversity.

The Greeks were a seafaring people just as much. The Atlanteans are pretty distinct from Greeks and Amazons at this point in time, and I still think going back in time and having them diverge allows for more interesting story possibilities than simply making Aquaman Polynesian for the sake of diversity.

Atlantis is a Greek myth for a reason. I'm not saying it won't work, what they are doing...no one will know until the film is out, and I may end up preferring the movie take on it. I'm just skeptical that it is being changed for no other reason to increase diversity, which isn't a valid reason in my book. Atlantis is known as a Greek myth the world over and originates from a time when Polynesians didn't exactly have advanced cities, so it will be interesting how they reconcile that, if they even bother.

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@muyjingo: Him being played by a polynesian actor is that much of deal breaker for you?

Anyways...

Interesting directorial pic. I want to see how it plays out.

Not at all. It's not the race of the actor. I should have been more clear.

It's the fact that the actor said they want to reinvent the character to have a polynesian backstory within the movie and universe they are setting up.

I'd much prefer if Atlantis and Themyscyra had a shared history at an early enough point in time, because I think that makes things interesting and opens up a lot of possibilities.

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I'm disappointed with this, purely because of the last fast and the furious.

I watched Fast 5 and it was amazing, but that was Justin Lin. The sequel was a let down but had some good action. The last one though was so unbelievably terrible that I will never see another movie in that franchise, and can not be excited for Aquaman now in any way.

Combined with the fact they want to make him Polynesian instead of Greek for some dumb reason I'll probably just watch it after it's on some kind of streaming service.

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Pirating is nothing so boast about.

Maybe not, but it is IMO something worth advocating. The positives vastly outweigh the negatives for society as a whole and more often than not the creators, and they serve up a superior product (no DRM for example) when the content owners are unwilling to do so.

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These don't seem to be DRM free, or I would buy them all in a heartbeat.

Since they are not..well lets just say they are depriving themselves of money when they have competition that offers a better product for free.

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#10  Edited By MuyJingo

@theophilus: Agreed, and I'm not disputing any of that. Because it doesn't contradict anything I've said.