" Team one no matter what. Thor alone can beat Thanos, with preparation or not, and I'm pretty sure The Surfer and GL would be more than a match for Darkseid. So if you add Bill to the mix ... "
Dude don't be nuts Pre Crisis Darkseid would maybe solo all 4, yes the new jobber isn't really Darkseid so he would die, maybe Surfer beats him with ease. But Classic Darkseid was Skyfather level. Thanos is grossly under estimated, he is an ancient member of Titan which means he's an Eternal like Sersi, Ikaris etc just by being born he was already a brick on the level of Sersi and Magneto. He then got obsessed with technology, mysticism and death and kept amping himself and amping himself to impress his girl. By being born he already had superhuman strength, reading minds, generating illusions etc. He is obsessed with trying to stand at Death's side, in Marvel this deadly universal entity is a woman and Thanos is obsessed with her. Then through technology and black sorcery he amped his body to be able to take on all the Avengers including Thor, in some of his first appearance he almost solos all the Avengers. In his last appearance he was basically amped up to be an immortal Skyfather level, he could man handle team wreckers and he could reform from death, you blow him to bits he comes back again like Dr M and it took a collapsing universe to beat him. Thanos in his last appearance might have even beat down Pre Crisis Darkseid.
Ok Hancok is a cool movie, I liked the film a lot but in battles we go by feats. Does Hancock have any heat vision, lightning or ranged attack? Thor at least does lightning, hurricances and he can whip out a strike/bolt into the floor that leveled a city sized area on the Frost Planet. Thor has very impressive durability and he has a healing factor, the Destroyer almost kill him, Thor grabs the hammer and INSTANT HEAL. Thor's strike took out all Frost Giants who tried to surround him and the quake shockwave from the strike kept spreading out and out. With this strike Thor displayed a level of power that Hancock never showed. Movie Thor also put enough energy into the Bifrost Bridge that it broke, it took many strikes but this same Bifrost that has no problem handling planet busting energies. Thor also showed crazy hand to hand skill.
" Thor wins.... unless it's SA Superman but even still, it's pretty debatable. "
Donner/Reeve Superman done some moves that were close to silverage feats
@battlexlordx said:
" the rauth superman is the same as reevs. he is just Five years after the second film, and movie thor's powers where apparently not magic but technology. its what i heard tho . "
Most fans don't accept the Singer movie, AT ALL. Singer/Routh Superman behaved in a way Reeve never did. He had no chemistry with Lois, he abandoned his kid and used his X-ray vision only to spy on people Routh also didn't have even a small fraction of the feats Reeve displayed, Reeve actually fought real super villains. Reeve could also do crazy stuff like push the Moon out of orbit, take the S of his chest turn it into a forcefield and trap people in it, he had low level telepathy and could fly so fast he reversed time itself...Reeve was much better wrote and much more powerful than Routh. The Singer/Routh Superman also had high levels of immunity to kryptonite, that is something that was never part of Reeve's character.
They are different characters according to fans
@termiteone4ever said:
"His strength and power feats were way above Thors YEt People still talk thrash."
Thor has an instant healing factor, the Destroyer almost killed him, he was inches from death - grabs the hammer and heals INSTANTLY. I don't remember Routh ever having this power The movie Thor also inserted enough energy into the Bifrost Bridge to break it, this Bridge contained enough energy was going to destroy Jotunheim planet busting style, it was going to charge up take out the Forst planet busting it. The hammer smashed it, Thor broke the bridge, ok he didn't one shot the Bridge he was striking it with his hammer many times, but he still was able to wipe out a weapon that contained planet busting energies. Routh never displayed this level of striking power. Thor's striking power was nice his hammer/bolt into the Frost Battle Arena caused a quake and shockwave that would level a whole city. Thor also has some good speed feats, while Routh has speed he had nothing compared to Reeve so I believe Thor would keep up with him. Thor in the movie fought intelligently, there's a scene where he just leaves the hammer on an opponent. Why couldn't he chuck it at Routh and leave the hammer lying on top of him. With Routh pinned to the floor Thor could go to town on his face. There's nothing that says to me Routh has any hand to hand feats to be able to take on Thor.
Classic Kingpin was a beast he was like this Giant Sumo dude, amped on Cap America steroids and he came with this cutting laser in his cane. He could possibly beat the first few. Elektra, Punisher....maybe. Tombstone would laugh at his laser cane, rip his head off though and use it as a football
I think the general consensus is Thor has been dumbed down, just like Superman got dumped down after the Crisis and just like superman got dumbed down for the cartoon show Thor is now weaker than Surfer, possibly lower than Gladiator and fights about as good as Ronan when Ronan has a very bad day .
@Valtot said:
" @brantumbo: he didnt take out sentry by himself and sentry was smacking him around for the majority of that arc, surfers shown to take out cancer verse thor like nothing and again later effortlessly blocks his hammer. "
The whole problem with the Sentry fight is Bendis has no clue how to write teams and he spent so much time fanwanking a lame character like Sentry anyway. Every issue Sentry would be something new and awesome, he would be the world's best telepath, the world's best molecule manipulator, the wrath of God like Spectre....Sentry's powers and stories never made sense, it was like the writing during the 60s when writers took lots of LSD. Anyway back to the Siege, it was pointless it just blew apart everything JMS was building up. Thor couldn't fight properly, people were killing Thor's fellow Asgardians and Thor could only get punked by Patriot/UFoes and even Taskmaster. Ironman had to rescue Thor's ass by hacking Patriot and dropping a Carrier on Sentry When Thor did get the final death blow it made even less sense and Sentry was screaming "kill me" so Sentry fans can argue the only reason Thor won was because Sentry wanted to die anyway.
Thor when JMS was not writing was portrayed at Ronan levels, yeah I know saying such a thing might p*ss off Thor fans but its true. JMS Thor would beat Surfer though Bendis Thor was said to be an equal to Ares, Bendis himself said they were the same power level
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