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#1  Edited By Ms. Invisible

That's hilarious. 
 
"... humpty dumpty had an abortion." 
 
"Killing ewoks FTL"

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#2  Edited By Ms. Invisible
@Zenma said:
Theory of evolution? "
FFS. 
 
Scientific theories are NOT guesses or assumptions. There's a whole article on Wikipedia defining the meanings of theory. Go look it up.  
 
From the Wikipedia article: 
 

" In the scientific or empirical tradition, the term "theory" is reserved for ideas which meet baseline requirements about the kinds of empirical observations made, the methods of classification used, and the consistency of the theory in its application among members of the class to which it pertains"

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#3  Edited By Ms. Invisible
@Aronmorales said: 
Normally going out for research into something with holes wouldn't be something to jest at, but people have almost turned it into a faith.     
Turned it into faith? How so? The definition is faith (or having faith) is accepting a claim without reasonable evidence.
 On the Dinosaur program: I think they're looking too deep into it; so the beak has a little bump on it, doesn't mean that the chicken's great uncle was a T-rex.  Ah, that bird-thing again. "  
The little bump is just one part of a bigger picture. No scientist has said that that one piece of evidence is the final word. The half bird half reptile corroborates with the little bump.
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#4  Edited By Ms. Invisible

  @Aronmorales said:

" @Ms. Invisible: By 'holes', I mean a little bit of both. From what i've been told, the Evolution theory has been modified over the years, and some of the evidence I've seen for evolution has been weak too, example: on a Dinosaur program a while ago, scientists were talking about how the great reptiles evolved into birds, there big evidence was a little bump on the still developing beak of a chicken embryo. "

The evolutionary theory is still not "complete" yet, and that's why it's been modified over and over again. Yes, that's a hole, but scientists are working towards making that gap just a little smaller. I wouldn't call that a flaw or a weakness in the evolutionary theory. Something that invites curiosity is good, because it promotes important skills like critical thinking, using logic and reasoning, which everybody should be doing. Also, mind you, no scientist has ever said that all branches of evolution has been thoroughly researched and therefore it's complete.
 
And on the dinosaur program, why do you find that sort of evidence weak? 
 
The little bump is just part of a bigger picture though. Here is an article that shows evidence of a half bird half reptile (it's only part of the article though, scroll down until you find the photo of that weird looking bird). Not to mention a quick Google search gave me links to these interesting articles: 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_birds    
 
 http://www.pbs.org/lifeofbirds/evolution/   
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#5  Edited By Ms. Invisible
@Aronmorales said:

" @Ms. Invisible said:

" @Aronmorales said:

When in the Bible did it say that the earth was flat? those two things have absolutely nothing in common. "  
 I never said that the Bible said Earth was flat. You miss my point. You said that I support something so full of holes. And by "holes" you mean contradictions, right? If a scientist comes up with something that contradicts said theory, the scientist then reconsiders and conducts further experiments to see if those results still contradict or support said theory. Depending on what happens, the bottom line is that they theory will change in order to support new evidence that is deemed of importance. Yes, there is a lot of evidence in support of evolutionary theory, though that doesn't mean scientists stop there. Science is constantly on the move. "
no disagreement with that. "
Genuine curiosity here: So what do you mean by "holes" in evolutionary theory? Contradicting information? Or an assertion with weak arguments for it? I'm still puzzled by that.
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#6  Edited By Ms. Invisible
@Aronmorales said:

When in the Bible did it say that the earth was flat? those two things have absolutely nothing in common. "  
 
I never said that the Bible said Earth was flat. You miss my point. You said that I support something so full of holes. And by "holes" you mean contradictions, right? If a scientist comes up with something that contradicts said theory, the scientist then reconsiders and conducts further experiments to see if those results still contradict or support said theory. Depending on what happens, the bottom line is that they theory will change in order to support new evidence that is deemed of importance. Yes, there is a lot of evidence in support of evolutionary theory, though that doesn't mean scientists stop there. Science is constantly on the move.
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#7  Edited By Ms. Invisible
@Sparda said:
" A NEW WORLD. A BETTER WORLD. A KINGDOM OF CONSCIENCE. "
AN ATHEIST ATE MY BABY.
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#8  Edited By Ms. Invisible
@Aronmorales said: 


Very aggressive, and there you were getting upset with me getting defensive.  Maybe Darwin did try to tie in evolution with God, maybe not, I don't know, and I know that the scientific community wouldn't let me ask, so there is no point in going to them about these things.    "Once again, another baseless assertion, homophobic attitudes, and more ignorance on the subject of evolution." That's a good one, considering that they won't teach anything else but evolution in the schools. And I'm a homophobe? why? because God says it's wrong?  And last I checked, the evolution theory stated that we came from monkeys.  I love how people are trying to support something with so many holes. And before someone comes up with a crack about my faith being full of holes, I am well aware of people killing in God's name, as well as the events that happened in the Old Testament. I'll wait for the remarks to this one. And I can't watch your videos, for my bloody computer won't let me. "  

Sorry if I am coming as aggressive again. Believe me, I'm not talking this way on purpose at all. This is the way I talk to people all the time.  
 
Creationism is not taught in schools at the moment because people who want creationism taught in schools want it to replace science and/or pass it off as science. Creationism is not a science, it's something that should be taught in theology or history class.
 
Sparda is right, we share a common ancestor with apes:   http://openparachute.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/i-didnt-come-from-a-monkey/
  
And you're right, science still has many holes, but it's not the same type of holes that you would find in the Bible. For example, years ago, many people believed that  Earth was flat. That was a huge hole. However, it was disproved and we now know that Earth is in fact in the shape of a sphere. Everyday, science is working towards filling those gaps and expanding our understanding of the universe.
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#9  Edited By Ms. Invisible
@Sparda said:
" FIGHT AND STRUGGLE "
DO IT DO IT DO IT BLOOD EVERYWHERE.
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#10  Edited By Ms. Invisible
@Aronmorales said:


I'm not open to other possibilities because those other possibilities aren't God; I just can't say I have God one day and deny him the next, it doesn't work like that with the Holy Spirit. Now, as for animals seeing in different spectrums and those who are colorblind? I honestly can't tell you why, but try asking yourself this: "If there is a Heaven and a Hell, does being able to see color matter?"  Now, as for my word 'evolutionism', that was a crack at how much of a religion it has become, and your right, I really don't know that much about evolution, because from what I was told the theory keeps changing, and for back-up as to how it is taking people away from God? easy, Evolution teaches that there isn't a God, and that this life is all we have, two very big contradictions from what God teaches.  As far as generalizing goes, I don't recall mentioning people were doing this, at least not intentionally; people can't change the way people think, it's the idea that does.   And for this little comment, "The rest is just blah blah and the usual religious preaching" would only prove that I couldn't change anyone, for it's obvious that you didn't catch any of it.  No, I really don't have a problem thinking that God could've made everything in a Big Bang, and you wanted a calm discussion about a topic like this?  I really doubt that you were calm when we first started talking. And I'm sorry for accusing you, and I actually do feel that the world is out to get me.  

Like I said before, if you can't be open to the possibility of another way the universe started, even if does mean rejecting your cherished beliefs, then that is not open-minded.
 
You admitted yourself that you don't know a lot about evolution. You have very little knowledge on the subject, yet you come in here saying that is a lie, also clearly stating that you reject it yourself. Do you know how intellectually lazy that looks on your part? And once again, your lack of knowledge in evolution shows AGAIN. If you bothered to take a closer look at the history of the development of evolution, the Theory of Evolution is there to show an explanation in observed biodiversity and to provide an explanation for dynamic change in populations of living organisms. Charles Darwin did not sit in his office one day and say, "Hmm, I think I'll come up with something that will turn people away from faith." The fact that it does partly contradict creationism is a COMPLETE COINCIDENCE.  
  
If I came off as aggressive, I apologise. But you made an extraordinary claim. Such claims require extraordinary evidence. Your arguments had many errors in reasoning and did not follow the logic on how to actually construct an argument.  
 

 Yes, I a m somewhat paranoid,  it's kinda hard not to be when the world you're living in is trying to get God out of schools, tell the world that being Gay is okay, and that we came from monkeys.


Once again, another baseless assertion, homophobic attitudes, and more ignorance on the subject of evolution. 
 
I seriously suggest that you watch these two videos, as I genuinely think that it's in your best interest to watch them. A video on evolution and critical thinking: