MrMaster

IG Thanos stomps Korvac. As far as the LT incident, Korvac never saw or confronted the LT in any way shape or form.

The Earth was protected from a solar nova blast, not a direct assault from the LT's own power. Poor writing on Gruenwald's part. LT should never have been there.

LT's efforts against Korvac were limited, like using a silly external source (that local puny sun against a guy who absorbed Celestials) lol

... instead of his own at-least universe manipulating abilities like separating and incasing that universe from the multiverse.

Anyhow, seeing as Korvac was Mistress Death's puppy in that story, one could argue it was actually Death that shielded the Earth.

If you notice, Korvac had no idea he'd been attacked, otherwise, he would've dealt with the threat like all others that came before.

We know this is TRUE,

since Korvac blasted and killed the In-Betweener while he was in his own realm outside Korvac's universe, because In-Betweener got caught trying Korvac.

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Instead, what we see is Miss Death pop up and claim by her "machinations the universe shall be" hers.

Korvac never mentioned the attack, or acknowledged that it even happened.

Anyway, at the end, Korvac's awareness became one with that Alternate Eternity, that's as far as he went, and again, Miss Death is revealed as the puppeteer:

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Korvac ended up as Miss Death's b*tch, in her realm ... after he nullified himself.

So it seems it was true. Korvac was beneath the top universal abstracts (cornerstones of reality) of that universe. (Eternity/Infinity/Death/Oblivion)

Breaking the 4th wall is comedy that shouldn't be taken seriously imo. Several incarnations of She-Hulk have been God in that department yet, so what?

Heck, She-Hulk literally killed TOAA, on panel. (not just stated, actually illustrated) lol ... Basically, unless it's a 4th wall exclusive battle, it should be inconsequential.

I still got one relating to the Beyonder .. well, sorta. How about ... Stan Lee bowing to the Beyonder!

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It can't be coincidence how the only face that's drawn Twice is a near flawless Stan Lee image.

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The First scan on the left: (the face at the left bottom corner ... top of his index finger ... Beyonder's right hand)

The panel represents all people of the world: (that face in this grouping is clearly Stan's imo)

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The Second scan on the right: (the face at the top right corner)

That panel represents the most powerful men/women of the world, which is ... the heroes and villains ... and 4 non-powered humans:

(president Reagan, Frank the biggest drug dealer, don't know the old head beneath Ultron, and apparently ... Stan Lee again)

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Anyway, considering that his visage was included in both pages, imo, I find it highly unlikely it was a fortuitous act on the artist's (Milgrom) part.

Remember friends, Stan didn't like Shooter and Shooter reciprocated mutual affections.

Imo, it was probably Shooter's sneaky way of poking fun at Stan, since it was rumored Beyonder was Shooter's 'god-complex' coming to life through art.

If that isn't suffice. We have the word of the damn character's creator:

Jim Shooter described the Beyonder:

(Writer/Creator of Beyonder/SW-I & II and Editor in-Chief of Marvel)

(reference: Marvel Age #27)

Jim states:

1. Beyonder "is a Multi-verse."

2. Beyonder "was like God before there was Genesis."

3. Beyonder's "discovery of our Universe" ... (Marvel Multiverse)

.... "was like when inventor Leeuwenhoek, looked through his micro-scope ...

.... and discovered little paramecia swimming in a drop of water ... "

"We introduced the Beyonder

and established

that he was studying these beings - us - he had discovered"

@lariend said:

I understand he was confused cause the scan up top didn't literally state "outside the multiverse." But there are many more scans, like the one below:

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As for Beyonder himself being labeled a "Multiverse" on panel:

Beyonder was from a completely separate reality called the "Beyond Realm." This realm was disconnected/outside the infinite Marvel Multiverse of 1985.

In fact, the Beyond Realm was everything outside the infinite Marvel Multiverse.

It still is outside the multiverse to this day btw. (home of the BeyonderS now) ... and ... it's still ridiculously bigger than the prime infinite multiverse of today.

When Kubik and Kosmos went there, they transcended ... and as a result, all of Eternity (multiverse) became an insignifcant speck next to them.

... lol at the "Doom stole his power" argument. This battle (unless I'm mistaken) isn't Beyonder with his guard down helping/studying Mxy at close range.

This is a fight, no?

In which case the scenario applies more to when Doom (TAA II empowered) came at Beyonder and got wtfstomped hard, and quick.

That aside, that Doom incident was pure PIS anyways. A poor excuse to de-power Beyonder in order to raise his curiosity about "desire" after feeling it to get his power back.

Which lucratively segues the story in a SW2 extension. Although they banked on following the success of the first series, Shooter should've thought that out better imo.

One could reach and say Beyonder kinda allowed it knowing the past and future, because Beyonder was infatuated with for-filling "desires" ... and that was Doom's.

We can use the eg. of Captain America controlling atomic structures at the end of SW1, namely his vibranium shield, which he repaired (manipulated its atoms) with "will" alone.

Hey, coincidentally the same thing Doom cheesed Beyonder with: "will." heh

Scathan stomped Protege, right before Protege was about to erase everyone there. (including LT) = [bottom panels, in the first scan on the left]

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The "thumb down" wasn't just a symbolic conceptual gesture. It was Scathan operating his power.

Power demonstrated in an epic orange blast that sent everyone flying around.

Then Scathan physically restrained Protege (even without the energy muzzle) while the LT amped his power to pass final judgement on Protege.

That was the only arc Scathan appeared in, so his whole history, character make-up and feats, are all based on that arc.

So ... if Scathan is used in a VS Forum ... Scathan is > Protege

Protege > The LT + multiversal-Eternity + nigh multiversal-Hawkgod + multi-universal-Beyonder + etc.

Scathan is referenced in two separate official Handbooks, (LT & Celestials) ... as the saviour of reality in that scenario with Protege.

Why are some posters stating this?

Scathan didn't just "disapprove/approve," ... Scathan first boom bashed Protege with a monstrous blast of orange energy (which sent everyone there flying around)

THEN ... Scathan encased Protege's hands and head making him completely in-affective. (mind you, Protege was still the combined power of the LT-multiversal Eternity-nigh multiversal Hawkgod-multi-universal Beyonder, etc)

THEN ... Scathan releases Protege's bonds and manages to hold super-amped-Protege physically with his bare hands.

THEN ... the LT is finally able to judge Protege but only after amping his own power also, via the Ancient One's amulet. (also, Scathan never let go of Protege during the process)

@lord_oraculous016 said:

- Yes.. I believe it's a What If.. I believe the title was "What If the X-Men Lost Inferno?" What if...? (2nd series) # 6.. Here is the scan..

That scan has absolutely nothing to do with the PF being "multiversal" ....

... or the LT suggesting that the PF is a "multiversal" threat ... or any relation to the multiverse whatsoever.

LOL! ... The only "multiversal" occurrence in that story was courtesy of Reed and Doom, who built a machine that was going to spread the Limbo affect across the Multiverse. In fact, she literally stated something like, well, I can still at-least have the universe with the PF. (since they forgot about the multiverse once the Reed/Doom plan failed)

Reed/Doom are the only "Multiversal" players in this story:

By the time the PF came into the picture, (towards the end) Mady was only able to possibly get the Universe.

In fact, Madelyne had completely forgotten about "multiversal" conquering dreams after the PF came into the picture:

"The Universe has a chance again" ... But not against adamantium claws evidently LOL!

In any event, the reason the LT showed up was not due to the PF, it was because there was a mystical imbalance around the Earth, (a single planet) this imbalance was the result of a rift leading from Limbo to planet Earth. If the imbalance is left unchecked, it becomes a multiveral problem, like any cosmic imbalance would do.

The reason the narrator stated that about the PF (it was NOT the LT btw) was because it only takes a global imbalance for cosmic consonance to go askew. Heck, that freakin Limbo connected to Earth rift was suffice. This is what brought about the LT, not the PF. Dr Strange and Rachel were the ones to summon the PF. The PF did purge (remake) the planet in the end. So basically, if a planetary problem can unbalance the multiverse, surely a universal power (classic PF in What Ifs) can do the same.

Peoples should stop making claims with the scans no less if they haven't read the story. I see this all the time.

I should add, since this seems to be the way yall are comparing Beyonder with THOTI.

This really is meaningless to me cause I still pin classic Beyonder vs THOTI as a Stalemate, but it's to show yall how insignificant highlighting this minute detail as a foundation to say Beyonder had limitations as opposed to THOTI, is a flawed perspective imo.

So, using technicality which I didn't want to do ... in terms of who seemed to make a greater effort to achieve they're goal:

Beyoder calmly/casually made a drink for the Multiversal Concept of Death ... he summons her with a thought, and even lets her know she was going to die, yet she had no choice but to drink the cup which would lead to erasing her Conceptual purpose from the Marvelverse.

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Meanwhile Thanos went berserk, ... all out absorption Frenzy:

"The LT, Eternity. Infinity resisted being absorbed longer than the rest. Their stubbornness fanned the flames of my fury.

Until this inferno raged out of control"

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Well, not that it would make a difference in my "Stalemate" call, but I think it's quite obvious who was more nonchalant about their business.

Imo.

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But truly folks, if it's only about what Beyonder said, ... well statements, eat you heart out:

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Have a great day friends, I have ta go for now. :)