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#1 Edited by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (104 posts) - - Show Bio

James Howlett, better known as Logan aka Wolverine has entertained fans from the comic-book shelves for over 40 years.

And the time to say "Rest in peace Wolverine" has come.

(Until Marvel decides to bring him back.)

I believe some sort of award is appropriate for such long service.

My suggestion...Darwin Award !!!

For the dumbest choice to save human life.

Enough with the sarcasm.

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As you all can already guess I'm not really fond of the ending in the "Death of Wolverine #4"

In fact I think that issue is a major slap-on-the-cheek to Wolverine's intelligence.

After finishing that issue I was walking around my room with anger and disbelieve !

After so many changes, development and surprises for the fans...THAT is the way Wolverine dies ?! Seriously !?

*deep breath*

OK before moving on.

* If you agree with me that the presented death of Logan is "inappropriate". Feel free to continue reading my forum and do leave a comment.

* However if you think Wolverine had an ending worth his career, go do something else, cuz you might not like what you read.

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So how exactly Wolverine met his end and what pissed me off in it ?

Dr Cornelius, as an old man, was fulfilling his "dying-wish" to be remembered by the world for something else than creating Wolverine.

He collected adamantium all over the world, gathered obedient, well trained subjects and placed a very high bounty on Wolverine so he could copy his healing factor.

Personally I think that is a very good idea for script. Simple yet dramatic meeting with the creator.

And I can relate to Dr Cornelius feelings. To be remembered after death and fixing mistakes.

Thumb up here.

So Wolverine tracks down The Dr and finds his lab, where 3 unknown men are strapped and ready for adamantium bonding process.

Skipping a small fight with a glowing dude.

Cornelius runs away and on his way initiates the bonding process.

Of course Logan wants to save the "poor strangers", since he takes the using-adamantium-on-people very personally.

(I'm sure if they bugged Logan in a bar he would kill them without thinking but Logan is a hypocrite, proved by Sabertooth. Moving on.)

So what he does to save them ?

He cuts through a giant tank of liquid adamantium !!

A container filled with metal that once cooled down, becomes indestructible !!!

There are few people who had more experience with adamantium than Wolverine and he does the dumbest thing in the world ?!

Really Mr Charles Soule ? Really ?

Wolverine's IQ gets reduced to a level of a moron who does things without thinking ? I believe our hero deserves MUCH more.

And that's not just my point of view but a result of an deep analyze. ______________________________________________

Look at the image below.

The adamantium bonding equipment consist few major elements.

RED - main liquid adamantium container

ORANGE - a pipe that provides adamantium from main container

YELLOW - smaller container for adamantium

GREEN - pipes that lead adamantium to the needles (probably, I'm not sure.)

LIGHT BLUE - mechanical, surgical arms (again not sure if this is the part that leads adamantium to the needles, so I mentioned it anyway.)

So here is the deal.

Dr Cornelius triggers the bonding process and runs away.

At that point the liquid adamantium traveled from main container (red) via the pipe (orange) to the secondary container (yellow).

That's when Logan reacted. He popped the claws and rushed to the machinery to destroy it.

And he picked the worst part to cut. The part that obviously would cover him with adamantium and in the precess kill him.

There were like dozen other possibilities to save those guys.

The pipes (green) or the arms (light blue). I'm sure cutting those off would work without Logan dying.

He could just make a cut in the bottom of the smaller tank (yellow) and avoid being splashed with deadly wave. Not going like a bullet which obviously would end with death.

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And there is his bull**it speech in issue #3.

"No more chances."

"...every choice matters."

"Just one chance . And I'm gonna use it."

What a piece of major hypocrisy.

How one wants to live and do something that will result in death !?

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So here it is. I got this mess off my chest.

Wolverine died in a simple adventure confronting his past, but he died doing the dumbest thing he could do and that I find a major insult to our beloved character.

At least Reality Earth-616 will have a nice new adamantium statue (since the Hulk's was melted by Cornelius.)

#2 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (104 posts) - - Show Bio

@Green Skin: What you are saying make a lot of sense. I recall now that Cyber, after being eaten by robo-bugs, also did something like Xavier.

Then I guess I have my answer, but does that mean we can expect Xavier in X-men 4, if it will ever be made ?

:D

#3 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (104 posts) - - Show Bio
@Green Skin said:
" Of coarse he is, why wouldn't he be?  If he retains his abilities in his astral form, then it's safe to say that his telepathy is not dependent on his physical body.  "
But he had his powers because of the mutation. In this body he is human.  Doesn't it matter ?
#4 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (104 posts) - - Show Bio
@MadPseudoscientist said:
" "Snikt" is the sound of adamantium metal claws hitting the adamantium bones in Wolverine's hand. Adamantium doesn't really make any sound unless hit by adamantium. Adamantium makes other objects make sound. Nothing can make adamantium vibrate other than adamantium. Adamantium can cut diamond and make the diamond make sound. "
That makes a lot of sense :)

You adamantium, won't make sound unless it is hit by adamantium, is that, what you are saying, right ^^ ??
#6 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (104 posts) - - Show Bio

Lots of Super posts here, but we are not going to the way I want. 
Every example has a little scar. 
 
I know that in comics he can grow back everything using only his brain cells. 
(Brain is the only organ that was never damaged, so it can produce stem cell, which are transforming into any missing cell in body)
 
Also there is the spiritual thing. If someone thinks it has nothing to do with Logans "life and death", thats only his opinion.
He was killed by the hand and revived - one examlpe.
He fought the Angel of Death, won and now after he dies he can always fight to win his life or go to heaven or hell.
 
What I want to know how it would work in real life.
We know that his healing factor would regrow his limb, keep him alive when his organs (which, for him, are not life threating when damaged), it can't save him from bleeding out to death, can't help when he don't have oxigene.
He can be killed in a simple way: bleed out - 0% oxygene
Thats why I'm asking.
If heart regenerates to slow his brain will damage and maybe later cells will heal but some side effects may happen.
 
Taking his heart our for example by teleporting it, will leave a space which in time would fill with steam cells and change into heart. But then agaian there is a broblem. Won't a bubble air stuck in his weins while regenerating ? If yes, how healing factor will deal with that. 
Also  time of regeneration is different. In one issue he regenerates faster and in other slower .
EXAMPLE: 
In two different issues he was burned to the bones, only breain remained.
In one it took him maybe hour, max.
In other, a day. 
 
Again the comic world gave us no clear answer XD

#7 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (104 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I think that is how it is in comics. Nothing is sure, creator always will write something that will confuse us ;P
So many question I can ask but never a clear answer.
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#8 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (104 posts) - - Show Bio

Logan killed so many people that Death appeared to kill him, but hi won winning his life and  privileges that allows him fight for coming back to life.
If thats not magic or something, than I don't know. 
 
 "if he can heal all of his organs back once theyre gone, at once, why would he have a problem with just one?  "

 
Your right but there is a paradox if he died from bleeding out why he can't die from burning him to bones ??

#9 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (104 posts) - - Show Bio
@CATMANEXE said:
" @Mr.AllAboutWolverine: 
what are you talking about? he lost all of his organs and flesh. he healed them back.
so if he loses his heart it will heal back. what are you talking about spiritual pass?
in your imagination or did someone else tell you this? he was reduced to next to nothing
and he healed back, its as simple as that.






 
 Before healing he fought Azrael to win his life back, it is somehow spiritual, right ??
#10 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (104 posts) - - Show Bio
@CATMANEXE said:
" @Mr.AllAboutWolverine: yes, he can. not sure why this is even a question. he was burnt off clean until there was nothing left but his cooked brain inside his skull and healed back, twice now. im sure his heart has already been destroyed, though i cant remember where right now, i know Deadpool had his shot out the back of his body in chunks in Magnum Opus. thats what weapon x healing factors do, they heal back everything. "
Why this is a question ??
Well when after the fire explosion there was nothing except adamantium and Logan died. After wining his life he had a spiritual pass on earth. I'm wondering how it would be in real life, with no death to fight.
 
 
 
 
 
@Donnieman v5.1 said:
" Didn't Logan regenerate from a nuclear bomb once when he was completely wiped out except his adamantium skeleton? "

That was in Ultimate reality I'm asking about Logna from earth-616