In a fight to the death, Black Panther will always win. Black Panther kills. Batman doesn't.
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@Poisonfleur: You keep talking about Black Panther's actions as though he is a real person and writes himself. The writers are to blame for the way they had him treating Storm. I don't know why people keep neglecting to admit that fact. Writers choose to mess up certain characters for their own personal reasons. Had we had writers that actually cared about marriage and the royal marriage in particular, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
@Crash_Recovery: These are comic books...how does Wolverine manage to be in ten different places in ten different books at once? How does that work? And the marriage would have worked well if writers had stopped being unprofessional...Storm could have spent some time in Wakanda and some time with the X-Men...just like when Wolverine spends time with the X-Men and still manages to have his own solo adventures. Storm could have had her adventures with Black Panther and still had her adventures with her fellow mutants. This is fiction, where we come to accept that things are a bit "unrealistic." Also, if Black Panther had perfected Shadow Physics, he and Storm could have used the Nowhere Room to instantaneously travel back and forth from New York to Wakanda and vice-versa...Storm could have been in New York for adventures and then could have been back home in Wakanda in time for Black Panther to make her dinner. The only thing that was holding that marriage back was a lack of imagination and enthusiasm on the part of most Marvel writers.
@Blood1991: I know not ALL Storm fans act the same way, which is why I made it a point to say "some" Storm fans in my comments. I'm sure there are a lot of other Storm fans who keep to themselves and appreciate Storm quietly without resorting to juvenile behavior, or who don't necessarily keep to themselves but still act and behave rationally and with maturity.
@Blood1991: Even if some Storm fans were feeling "hurt," that was still no excuse to take it out on Black Panther fans or Black Panther for all of these years. Another thing is, Storm was not doing anything if importance in the X-books, which is why Marvel allowed Storm to go over to the Black Panther book. Had Storm been doing important things in the X-books then, would Marvel have allowed the character to go elsewhere? I doubt it. Also, despite what some people would try and have you believe, Storm was shown doing more in the Black Panther book than she had been doing in the X-Men books around the same time, especially since the X-books had become the Cyclops-Emma Frost-Wolverine show. A lot of Storm fans who resort to childish insults want to pretend like they are totally justified in what they do, and when you call them out on it, they fall back on the old excuse of "it was just a joke, lighten up." Like I said, this has been going on for years, with certain Storm fans on several websites forming cliques and thinking Black Panther, Wakanda and Black Panther fans are one huge joke. They hardly apologize (although Butterflykyss has apologized and I appreciate that)) and some never apologize and even get more outrageous in their behavior, just to try and prove a point. Have you ever tried talking reasonably and rationally with most Storm fans who despise Black Panther because he married Storm? It doesn't work...trying to reason with a lot of Storm fans simply does not work...especially when those Storm fans are part of a clique whose very existence is to mock, ridicule and make fun of Black Panther. I've been on these sites for YEARS...I've seen comments and "jokes" and taunts like you probably wouldn't believe. Another thing is, this thread was going on quite nicely with the back-and-forth of ideas about a Storm solo, until several "jokes" were told at Black Panther's expense for no good reason. Now, I can ignore this up to a point, but once that point has been exceeded (which it has, because like I keep saying, this has been building for years), something's gotta be done about it, and I would love it if moderators would crack down on that sort of thing. But I agree with you, I don't want this thread derailed any further. We should get back to talking about Storm's solo book (even though I think Storm and Black Panther could definitely work as a couple if Marvel showed as much love for them as it does for Susan and Reed Richards as a couple. The fact that Marvel has been tearing so many couples apart in the past few years is ridiculous and a bit suspicious).
@Thunderbolt30: Don't ever tell me to calm down. Certain Storm fans on various websites, including Comic Vine, have a history of purposely dissing both Black Panther and Wakanda as a matter of habit for YEARS, so don't pretend like it's all in good fun. It's a running "joke" that is juvenile, petty, and pathetic.
Anyone who keeps calling Wakanda "Whackanda" is extremely childish, and this sort of behavior does not in any way help all of the hostility that has existed between the Storm and Black Panther fan bases over the years. All of us should be above that sort of thing. Also, it's important to note that when some of you say that "Perfect Storm should go to Wakanda and finish what Namor started," that is a very terrible thing to say, even though these are fictional characters...people brought up xenophobia as a reason as to why Perfect Storm should "finish what Namor started," but people need to remember that not all Wakandans are xenophobic, just like not all Americans are racist or xenophobic...not to mention that there were also innocent BABIES in Wakanda without a xenophobioc bone in their body, who were most likely killed during the flood that Namor caused. And how would Storm fans have felt if after Wanda said "No more mutants," someone came into the X-men threads and said something hostile like "Too bad Wanda didn't destroy ALL the mutants instead of most of them??" Another thing is, if Storm fans have a problem with the way Black Panther and SOME Wakandans treated Storm, that fault lies with the WRITERS and EDITORIAL, not the characters. Your gripes are actually with the writers and the people in charge at Marvel. Perhaps you should ask Marvel why they PURPOSELY chose to have Black Panther and Wakanda act that way. These characters don't write themselves. Also, Butterflykyss, I was with you in this thread 100% with EVERYTHING you were saying about a solo series for Storm...that is until I saw that you agreed with the comments about Perfect Storm finishing what Namor started in Wakanda with the flood. As both a Storm fan AND an Black Panther fan, that REALLY pissed me off.
@Thunderbolt30: Yeah, you're right, Storm was shown sacrificing a LOT for Black Panther, but the reverse was hardly ever shown, which was a problem. @WhiteLantern64: I agree with you 100% @WhiteMage:How can you blame a character for his actions when the character does not write himself? T'Challa was shown being crappy toward Storm because the writers wanted him to act that way...that's not T'Challa's fault, since in years past he was one of the most noble characters in the Marvel Universe. The fault and blame lies solely at the feet of Marvel writers and editorial for treating the marriage like crap and having T'Challa treat Storm like crap (for the most part). The only people free from guilt in this entire thing are Reginald Hudlin, David Liss, Christopher Yost and Dwayne McDuffie, all of whom did their best to portray T'Challa and Ororo as a loving couple.