Harley Quinn vs. The Joker's Daughter

I originally poo-pooed The Joker's Daughter, her new image seeming to somehow provide nothing that DC readers couldn't already get from Harley Quinn. Then I read Batman: The Dark Knight #23.4 - The Meat & the Marrow, and so now I would offer this to people who, like I did, doubt the "new" character. Duela is everything Harley is not, the anti-Harley if you will.

Harley's agenda is always contingent upon someone else's approval, whether that person is the Joker, Poison Ivy, or the Suicide Squad. I will always prefer pre-52 Harley, visually and philosophically, but she's submissive, in spite of her psychosis. Meanwhile, Duela has literally taken the Joker's face, and subverted his image to her own agenda. In "The Meat & The Marrow," she fights to liberate the women of the Nevers, and wins. She is resourceful, but knows her limits. She has more practical concerns, where Harley has passion.

No doubt, eventually these two characters will come into conflict; I can't imagine the proximity they shared in Forever Evil #1 - Nightfall went unnoticed to one another, so it's only a matter of time. I further predict that Harley will triumph because she is unpredictable and crazy, always an edge over logical. Still, until she does choke the life from Duela, I'm going to enjoy the ride.

Thoughts? I don't necessarily like being in an echo chamber, so contrary opinions are always welcome.

11 Comments
11 Comments
Posted by lifeboy

I like Duela's character better.Her mind set is just that of how disturbed people think. She has an outlook that will undoutably cost man lives and her ugly is beautiful view may be how serial killers look at the world. She even mutilated her own face. Harley is a good character and I like her, but I feel Duela is more real as a dc creation. Undoubtably Duela is the weaker of the 2 in terms of strenght but its a bit soon to see what she is capable of.

So, I hope Duela rips her apart if the two ever faced off in conflict.

Edited by MisterAnderson

@lifeboy:

Personally, I want Duela to be around for a long time, but I suspect Harley's popularity will win the day.

Edited by Dernman

Personally I don't see anything enjoyable about Joker's Daughter

Posted by MisterAnderson

@dernman:

Okay. What do you find repellant?

Posted by Dernman

@dernman:

Okay. What do you find repellant?

There is a difference between not finding a character enjoyable and finding them repellant.

Edited by MisterAnderson

@dernman:

Okay. Fair enough. If "I don't find her enjoyable" is the extent of your contribution to the conversation, thank you.

Edited by Dernman

@misteranderson: I had intended to go more indepth about my impression of Joker's Daughter but while I was in the middle of typing something up I realized I failed accurately express myself in a way I was happy with. I guess I gave way instead of trying again.

Posted by MisterAnderson

@dernman:

Well, the Joker's Daughter's mode of dress and physique seem appropriate to the character, her motivations for villainy stem from her bizarre childhood [could anyone tell if her New 52 father was Two-Face?], and, as a character, she so far as a more solid foundation than previous incarnations for writers. My biggest reservation when she was initially being hyped was just that in female villains have emerged in both Marvel and DC in the past several years who have taken over male villains' gimmicks without doing anything new with them. If there is no subversion taking place or nothing new being added to the character besides "sex appeal," then what's the point? The Joker's Daughter, thus far, is a different kind of animal.

Edited by lifeboy

She's definately not trying to replace the joker or (dare I say) is trying to be a hybrid of him. I don't believe she referanced him in anyway except to take on his face. Those half moons she branded on to the underground dwellers mouths I took as away to make them ugly, hurt and show dominance over them. I believe those people were insane and she wanted to be in power over them. Its like you say, she is her own animal. But what a fitting idea for her character, to be the queen of the insane.

As for her sex appeal, it can stem from her mysteriousness. Maybe aswell as the fact that she is very likely going to be homicidal and there may be a thrill in that. Also that she is a young adult. But the 24.4 comic eludes to her not being pretty even though her face is never shown, because she scared her face with a knife and even cut into her eye. She is even shown as skiny with torn clothes in Catwoman 23.

No, I never saw mension of her being harvey dents daughter. I took from 24.4 that her loving parents were married. I don't believe harvey has ever been married new 52. Its better her dad not be harvey, but that's just my opinion ( which is usually wrong).

Edited by MisterAnderson

@lifeboy:

I agree. I would like this incarnation to be independent from anyone else's mythos to maintain the autonomy of her narrative. Also, I don't wanna think that Harv would have been a rat bastard to a pug.

Posted by lifeboy

Also, I think she's attractive in the way that you feel sorry for her, like that guy did in 24.4 but look what ended up happening to him.

But yeah, I think she's great. It will be fun to see what happens to her in dc's future. I hope she breaks thru bigger than Quinn did.