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Some others i really like for their art is: Serpieri and Manara but be warned this is truly hardcore pornographic but Druuna (by Serpieri) has a great story too.
Lol, stereotype horny Europeans.
Yeah i keep telling my wife i collect these comics for the art heheheBut my genre preferences is indeed, history, fantasy, sci-fi, i'm not that into espionage, suspense etc.
At least you guys can say that you've got more variety. The main problem with American comics is the simple fact that one genre dominates the industry, and it makes it harder for people to find something different. It's not surprising that the average layman here thinks comic books automatically mean superheroes. And it's not really their fault, nor the fault of the industry.I can't really blame the genre when it was the one to keep comic books afloat in the states for decades after the medium was practically locked down in the 50's. Superheroes are cool, sure. But no single genre should be allowed to represent an entire medium. They may have saved comic books in the US a long time ago, but they're hurting it now.
Well i'm getting pretty tired with the superhero theme, even though i'm guilty of still buying them and therefore suporting this genre. I grew up with the x-men and even though i feel the book hasen't been nowhere near as good as when Claremont wrote it in the 80's with stories like mutant massacre, inferno etc. i won't stop buying it, always hoping someone will bring it back to it's former glory. Still now and then i get surprised by some usa non-hero stuff thats really a great read, like y-the last man and the walking dead. I think the popularity of some of these books shows that americans are more than ready for some other genres.
Even Star-Wars (although based on a movie) has been around in comic form for ages so it must have a loyal fanbase.
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@weaponmaster: You think you are so very smart with all your wisecracking, only thing i've read from you so far is bitching about euro comics and putting people down, please get over yourself or go somewhere else.
you can't be convinced into reading some euro comic 'cause you don't want to be convinced, so there is no point for you going back to this thread.
Please read your captain america comic's cause they are so fresh and new and not retelling the same old story from the forties. i'm very happy for you that you found something you really like.
Now let us enjoy ours.
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Some others i really like for their art is: Serpieri and Manara but be warned this is truly hardcore pornographic but Druuna (by Serpieri) has a great story too.
Lol, stereotype horny Europeans.
Yeah i keep telling my wife i collect these comics for the art hehehe
But my genre preferences is indeed, history, fantasy, sci-fi, i'm not that into espionage, suspense etc.
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They become memorabilia on the fireplacemantle for anyone lucky enough to find one. (or been hit by it)

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@Psychotime: Hmmm i haven't read anything by Alary so i can't help you there and i think Giraud's most famous work would be Blueberry and XIII (i think this has been turned into a videogame too)

Some others i really like for their art is: Serpieri and Manara but be warned this is truly hardcore pornographic but Druuna (by Serpieri) has a great story too.

Peter Pan by Loisel that Eyz recommended i truly did enjoy

Futhermore Rogon the white wolf by Chabert (but good luck reading that cause i don't think it has been translated into english)
Thorgal by Rosinski is a great comicit's written by Van Hamme.
And of course like i said before: Murena, Storm, Trigie, Eagles of Rome, Mercenary, Merlin, Dragonsblood etc.

I found the other thread on comicvine, should be some great tips on there still:

 http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion/1/anyone-read-european-comics/552092/?
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@Eyz said:
Well said sir!
Thanks!! happy to meet a fellow euro comic reader!!
and it's truly sad how many great euro comics will never get translated, even translated from french or italian. I'm fully aware that even i am missing out on great stuff since i'm only able to read english and dutch comics. Sadly dropped french when i was still in school.

I find that there are a lot of european artist that draw more realistic than their american counterparts.
You could say american art is more cartoonish inspired while artists like Don Lawrence, Serpieri, Manara, Delaby, Segrelles and many more make realistic anatomically correct art. (especially Manara and Serpieri hehehe)

It's strange that when talking about european comics mostly titles like Asterix, Lucky Luke, Tin Tin, Smurfs etc. come up which are completly cartoonish and therefore considered the norm but imo these are more or less kids books certainly for a younger audience (although i still enjoy them)

Oh well i just hope someday these comics get the recognision that they deserve. Cause i truly wish more French, Italian and Spanish books would be translated into English so i could enjoy them aswell.
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what does everyone think of Asterix and Obelix?

I have to say that i really love Asterix, but thats mostly because i grew up with that comic. But it's really kids stuff compared to the more adult orientated comics released nowadays

 @weaponmaster: I'm very happy for you that you enjoy your very american comics my friend! Funny enough you don't seem to realise that american comics have been telling to same story over and over again. Was your beloved captain america not fighting the red skull in the forties and fifties? Now its 2011 and oh my god he's still fighting the red skull, seems he doesn't do a very good job now is he?

This is directed at you only cause there are enough americans willing to try something new. Maybe they will like it and get some great new stories out of it maybe they wont and then there is no harm done and they can stick to the usa comics. I'd know what i would do, in fact i did just that and i've been enjoying some great american books for years. The loss is truly yours my friend.
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 It's sad to see how many euro comics have not made it in the USA. But thats not entirely the americans fault since a lot are in italian, french or even dutch, for some reason a lot doesn't get translated so on this i can't blame americans for not giving them a try.
Also the euro comics that are in english are imo not the best euro comics out there.
I've commented in the forums on comicvine on this topic but apparently that thread is dead and nowhere to be found anymore.
 
@Fantasgasmic said:

Sorry to sound closed-minded, but euro-comics have less than no appeal to me. Tintin, 200AD, Judge Dredd, Tank Girl, Revolver, Aserix
Don't be sorry you are just a perfect example of americans that have no clue whats out there and sadly when americans talk about eurocomics they mention TinTin and the Smurfs, which are basically kids books imo. (sure they are very popular in the world but still by far not the best on offer)
I'm european and on your list non of these comics appeal to me except Asterix but thats because i grew up with that comic.

But if you really want some good euro comics try and find these:
STORM or TRIGIË (author Don Lawrence, both are older comics but still classics esp. STORM)
MURENA great story about ancient rome (should appeal to Spartacus fans, only less fighting)
The Mercenary great scifi epic and great art.

I feel euro comics have other storylines on offer than american comics and are a nice retreat from fight the badguy that got out of prison and threathens the world yet again this month storyline.
Like the walking dead which offers something different and maybe it's for this that it is so popular, same with euro comics they concentrate more on story and less on fighting.

If you are in for some smart storytelling that doesn't necessarily involves a lot of fighting and you are not offended by some nakedness from time to time, you should really check some euro comics.

(Btw there is a way to read some of these comics even though they have not been officially translated into english, there is a group of fans who translate euro comics themselves. So if you are interested and don't mind reading your comics on a pc try them.
anyone pm me if you need some help getting them.)
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I never realised how many people really don't want their characters to age, i for one would applaud to see them age. (of course it will never happen because the publishers would lose their iconic characters and therefore money)

I grew up with the x-men, i remember when Scott Summers was in his early twenties and i was just about 14. I read about him having a relationship with Jean Grey and i hadn't even had my first girlfriend yet. Then my age came closer and closer to his. He got married and had a son, i guess i was about the same age then. Now Scott leads the x-men and i'm 34, i'm guessing i'm a bit older now than he is. My point is that he wont age much more now and i'll probably be reading about him as a leader of the x-men when i turn 60 while he is still in his mid thirties.
I'm affraid that his story has been told, sure he'll probably hook up with jean grey again in the future when she returns from the dead, and maybe have another kid and probably get a divorce get addicted to something but the truth is that i will never see him having to deal with stuff that people deal with when they turn 40, 50, 60 etc.
Maybe most fans don't feel like reading about that stuff, but i think if you really have creative people working for you with talent you can always create new interesting young characters than can attract new (younger) comic-readers.

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Oh man should i even get into this......

Let me say as a non-american i truly love america, it's a beautiful country which i visit a lot, either for work or vacation. I love (most) american people (except usa border officers), they are always in for a chat even if you are a complete stranger, they will always greet you when you meet someone in an elevator or such. (although sometimes it feels a little fake)  Always willing to help if you are looking for directions even without asking for it.

Still i do feel that americans have their flag up their @$$, a lot of americans do feel that America is the greatest country in the world and they are not shy about telling you, be it on tv, radio or whatever other medium.
Always proud to be an American,but why just because you just happen to be born there?

In what way is america the best country in the world? Certainly not in poverty rates, i believe 3 out of 10 americans live in poverty. Certainly not on environmental issues, did you know that american cars can not be sold in China because China has stricter environmental rules?
And there are other examples too, gay marriage for example, or their foreign policies.

Even the American constition is not entirely american, a lot of the constitution is based on the dutch and english way of thinking in that time. Since these countries ruled the american east coast before it became independant.

I remember when i was little my grandfather would tell me stories about america and how they saved us in WW2. He really had high regards towards america and its people, they where truly heroes back then, and i realise i would have been speaking german now if america wouldn't have come in and liberated us back in 1945.
But looking back at the last couple of years of foreign policy and can't help but think the america my grandfather told me about is long gone.

Now i'm not saying that where i live everything is great, far from it, i can tell you a lot of my dislikes for my own country, but at least we are not saying we are the greatest every chance we get.