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I don't think it kills him. But it COULD...

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Yes Roshi wins this fight in a catastrophic mismatch. Most DBS characters scale WAAAAAAY above Z ones.

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It is Kizaru without question. Though this is a much more fair match than Sanji and Zoro vs Kizaru.

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#4  Edited By Mee09

@godlike_warrior: Gear 3rd Luffy vs Zoro would be the highest difficulty fight in Luffy's life. Luffy would not have the attack power needed to reliably put down Zoro in Gear 2nd. And he would not have the durability needed to take Zoro's attacks. Zoro's feat of blocking Big Mom and Kaido's attack. Puts his durability far above anything Luffy has in Gear 2nd or 3rd.

He would need Gear 4th for the CONSIDERABLE speed advantage, offensive increase, and defensive increase that the transformation gives. At any other Gear level Zoro is far too relative to Luffy for it to be anything other than an Extreme Difficulty fight. Sanji would have an easier time in some circumstances due to the matchup. As he has superhuman durability, is noticeably faster than Zoro, has high tier Observation Haki, and Accelerated Healing. So he could stall easier than Zoro.

In a fight between Luffy and Zoro. Zoro would have to take far more attacks than Sanji to get in. Because he is currently a lot slower than Sanji. This is bad for him because Zoro does not have Sanji's genetically modified durability and Accelerated Healing. Sanji would be able to dodge more attacks and in the event that he gets hit. Unless it is a VERY strong attack he can quickly recover from it.

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@godlike_warrior: I am absolutely not sleeping on Zoro. Just because Luffy needs at least Gear 4th to beat him. Does not mean it can't be a Extreme Diff fight. Now because Zoro does not have the level of Observation Haki and speed of Sanji. Due to the matchup difference I honestly can't see Zoro pushing Luffy to Luffy vs Katakuri difficulty. But it's a guaranteed High Difficulty fight at least in Gear 4th.

You might not remember but I WAS the one. Who actively arguing the most awhile back. That Zoro and Sanji are beyond Gear 2nd and 3rd. While the others were saying that Zoro is getting blitzed and one shot by Base Luffy. They legitimately thought Zoro was INCAPABLE of landing a single attack on Base Luffy. Maybe at the initial timeskip they were a lot closer to Gear 2nd and 3rd. It all only makes sense that as Zoro and Sanji have reached Yonko Commander status. Luffy would need Gear 4th confidently beat them. As they are higher tier Yonko Commanders. No quality Yonko Commander is struggling that much with Gear 3rd and especially Gear 2nd.

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@godlike_warrior: I have my own scaling on Zoro and Sanji that is far more genuine and reasonable than any Yonkotards. It always has been.

However at this point I don't think. Zoro or Sanji can beat Gear 4th Luffy in a fully drawn out fight. I do however think and for the most part always have believed. That Luffy would need Gear 4th to comfortably beat them. Either way though with the level of difficulty Kizaru just beat Gear 4th. Zoro and Sanji are not even comparable to him outside of raw attack power in the context of Zoro.

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@godlike_warrior: Lol there is "some" diff. But if you somehow expect Zoro and Sanji to actually have even a remote chance of beating him then you have another thing coming.

You all have been saying that Zoro and Sanji are not even enough to beat BASE LUFFY for the last 2-3 years. I have forgotten nothing and neither are the people memeing people that made arguments like this now. So with that logic how the hell are they going to provide more of a challenge than Snakeman Gear 4th? Who could not even touch a Kizaru who is still clearly holding back?

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@bbnakedsnake: And you know what? That is us ADMIRAL FANS being both GENEROUS and REASONABLE!

If we were Yonkotards we would say it is a No Difficulty or Low Difficulty fight. Why? Because hasn't even gone all out yet. But Luffy is badly beaten and bruised. While Kizaru has not taken ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER from SNAKEMAN. He didn't even need Awakening.

I LITERALLY went TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH. To tell these people how the scaling actually worked. What series were they even watching and reading?!?!?

The Yonkotards don't even think that Sanji and Zoro can beat BASE Luffy. So in what universe are they supposed to beat somome like Kizaru? Their scaling has never made sense, their perspectives have never made sense, their narratives have never made sense. Only TWO Yonko Commanders. Who at this point were High to Extreme diffing King and Queen. Are SOMEHOW beating a Marine Admiral?

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It is actually unbelievable how lowballed Admirals are. Especially on Comic Vine specifically. But it is VERY nice to know...

That all these people and everyone like them. Will be actively memed for the entirety of One Piece's continuation. We ALL tried our absolute best to tell them. But they never listened. It as if they are watching an entirely different series. But it doesn't matter anymore. Oda has proved the Admiral fans right after over an entire decade straight of lowball.

Right now Kizaru has just Low-Mid Diffed Snakeman Luffy. While not taking ANY damage in the process or even needing to go all out. If Kizaru has an Awakening he has not even needed to use it yet. Zoro and Sanji at this point in the series are getting Low-Mid Diffed by a Kizaru who is actively holding back and not even taking the fight that seriously. Why? Because Kizaru is potentially the 2nd strongest Marine Admiral with the most experience out of the original 3. Yonkos and Admirals as a tier have always been equal. It is just that all Yonkos and Admirals are not equal to each other within in their own respective tiers. Greenbull is not as strong as Kizaru and Big Mom is not as strong as Kaido.

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To be honest I don't think Father has any chance.

He might have the durability needed to at least take some of Orochi's attacks thanks to the Moonbase feat. But he does not have the speed, skill, attack power, or even will needed to win.