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@konkrypton said:

Like some of the commenters here, I liked the SMLL romance. It has been part of the SM mythos from the beginning. That being said, I have no objection with the writers exploring the SMWW dynamic. After all, part of the reason you do a reboot is the characters have gotten stale and you need to shake things up. If it means that it takes a while for the SMLL thing to re-emerge, that's OK by me. But when it does, I hope that it's not "damsel in distress" theater all over again. I'd like her to fall for Clark, just as himself, then find out he's SM. And maybe even have a problem with the SM thing, lots of adjustments need to be made perhaps.

Anyway, I'm glad the writers are mixing things up a bit, so we can see the limits of the characters in the new timeline. These stories don't wreck the characters, they help define them, IMO.

"Damsel in distress" theater? Lois hasn't been any more a damsel in distress than Superman has been, and I guarantee you they'll find ways to put Superman and Wonder Woman in danger to play up the same sort of drama with them. Superhero comics demand "damsels". When you're dealing with stories about heroes everyone gets put in mortal peril and everyone gets saved. I analyzed comics from the last few years of the Post-Crisis era, and Lois only required rescuing max three times a year. Other than that, I agree that it's fine to explore the Superman and Wonder Woman dynamic. As some creators have said in interviews, doing so allows them to explore whether they're compatible, and I for one like the idea of the relationship helping the characters understand themselves better in ways that might make them realize they don't want to be together or work better as friends. Having the couple's incompatibility as mates decided/established in canon is certainly welcome.

@supersmith said:

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@darkman61288 said:

@BE__ Havoc @ supersmith I don't like the "power couple" either. It just stupid. Both characters are all ready unrelatable this just makes it worst.

Who says I don't like them? I for one am willing to give them their chance. It's refreshing for one to see Superman not making lame excuses/lying to a love interest or wringing his hands to save her and all the typical troupes that go with hero/ civilian love interests.If I want to read the same thing over I'd go back to trades. You can't hate something that they are only just starting to explore. That's a blinkered way at looking at things and clearly you not a Superman fan too.

You know what could accomplish the same thing? Not writing a Superman/Lois dynamic that involves a lot of saving. But then, I guess it's more refreshing to read stories where Superman is in need of constant saving. Lois saved his life and the lives of Metropolis citizens twice in Superman so far during Perez's run. Meanwhile, the Justice League--even Lex Luthor--are apparently necessary at times to save Superman from Cheetah (Justice League #13), from Vulko (Justice League #15), and now from H'El.

I would suggest that just because someone doesn't embrace the Superman and Wonder Woman relationship in the same way you do, it doesn't make them not a Superman fan. A good number of people don't find the relationship interesting or appealing. To me, it has no poetry. The secret keeping, etc. of the Superman/Lois relationship may be familiar, but it's the kind of familiar that exists in all myths that are retold. It's the obstacle the protagonists overcome. Meanwhile, something really beautiful and profound is said about a relationship between a human and an alien. It replicates the courageous love and acceptance the human Kents provided to the alien Kal-El and about loving what's on the inside of a person and seeing people with differences as equals on the basis of what's in their heart only.

Clark takes up journalism because he likes a profession that he can't rely on his powers alone. It's a challenge. With Lois it's the same thing. He has to win her as Clark, which is challenge. It also takes the kind of guts that true love stories have in literature and myth, like Romeo & Juliet or Aragorn & Arwen, have. Love stories that move us because the lovers have to bravely face fears and who come from different worlds. That they overcome those differences to reconcile the thematic conflicts in their lives/narrative is what gives the love story its meaning and epic quality. So, I think the Lois/Clark relationship can still be retold in an innovative way (less damsel in distress) and still hold a great deal of interest and power as a story. The relationship still has loads of fans, and being featured again in Man of Steel is likely to produce even more of them.

Yeah that lovers from a different world thing is a real challenge, isn't it? Funny you should contradict yourself.

You see and Lois and Clark ala Aragorn and Arwen? Er, with all due respect? No. Not really.

What's the contradiction and how are Lois and Clark not like Aragorn and Arwen in that they're lovers from different worlds (gods and mortals) willing to transcend those differences and make sacrifices? Seeing as how you just make claims without any reasoning or evidence to support them, unlike me, it appears you have very little substance to back up why you like or believe in the things you do.

@supersmith said:

@darkman61288 said:

@BE__ Havoc @ supersmith I don't like the "power couple" either. It just stupid. Both characters are all ready unrelatable this just makes it worst.

Who says I don't like them? I for one am willing to give them their chance. It's refreshing for one to see Superman not making lame excuses/lying to a love interest or wringing his hands to save her and all the typical troupes that go with hero/ civilian love interests.If I want to read the same thing over I'd go back to trades. You can't hate something that they are only just starting to explore. That's a blinkered way at looking at things and clearly you not a Superman fan too.

You know what could accomplish the same thing? Not writing a Superman/Lois dynamic that involves a lot of saving. But then, I guess it's more refreshing to read stories where Superman is in need of constant saving. Lois saved his life and the lives of Metropolis citizens twice in Superman so far during Perez's run. Meanwhile, the Justice League--even Lex Luthor--are apparently necessary at times to save Superman from Cheetah (Justice League #13), from Vulko (Justice League #15), and now from H'El.

I would suggest that just because someone doesn't embrace the Superman and Wonder Woman relationship in the same way you do, it doesn't make them not a Superman fan. A good number of people don't find the relationship interesting or appealing. To me, it has no poetry. The secret keeping, etc. of the Superman/Lois relationship may be familiar, but it's the kind of familiar that exists in all myths that are retold. It's the obstacle the protagonists overcome. Meanwhile, something really beautiful and profound is said about a relationship between a human and an alien. It replicates the courageous love and acceptance the human Kents provided to the alien Kal-El and about loving what's on the inside of a person and seeing people with differences as equals on the basis of what's in their heart only.

Clark takes up journalism because he likes a profession that he can't rely on his powers alone. It's a challenge. With Lois it's the same thing. He has to win her as Clark, which is challenge. It also takes the kind of guts that true love stories have in literature and myth, like Romeo & Juliet or Aragorn & Arwen, have. Love stories that move us because the lovers have to bravely face fears and who come from different worlds. That they overcome those differences to reconcile the thematic conflicts in their lives/narrative is what gives the love story its meaning and epic quality. So, I think the Lois/Clark relationship can still be retold in an innovative way (less damsel in distress) and still hold a great deal of interest and power as a story. The relationship still has loads of fans, and being featured again in Man of Steel is likely to produce even more of them.

There's also some great interaction between Wonder Woman and Superman, which gives more characterization than we've seen in their own titles.

You're joking right? Clark just showed Diana how glasses work as a disguise and spoke about not wanting to be Superman 24/7. He did that with Bruce in Action Comics #11. There's also this key writing skill called showing and not telling. When characterization is done through what amounts to mostly exposition, then it's mediocre at best.

Must Diana get the cheesecake treatment? It's sad to see her continually objectified.

Lois receives a text message. Clark finds it odd because Perry usually doesn't tolerate employees checking their texts in front of him.

How many times does it need to be said? Perry White is NOT the boss of Lois Lane. She is not one of his "employees" given that she is his equal in status, but at the television division of Edge's news corporation whereas Perry is at the print news division. She is the Executive Producer of PGN and Perry is the Editor-in-Chief of The Daily Planet. Perry has NO authority over Lois Lane, so any rules he has for his employees don't apply. Clark spied on Lois for one reason, and one reason only: he's a selfish jerk with severe impulse control problems.

Of Superman's supporting cast, Lois Lane has always stood out. She may not be a superhero with powers, but she's my hero. Please share as much as you can about her character, including what's up for her personally and professionally. Thank you.