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#1 Posted by maki0129 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeeSensei said:

Even if he was wrong for killing Xavier (and he wasn't). He shouldn't take most of the blame. He spent his time as the Phoenix saving the world while the Avengers kept on attacking him. They poked the other 4 until they started to doing bad things, but Scott didn't stray from the right path. This is literally all the Captain America and his groups fault and they're going to get away with it too.

So, we're just going to ignore Magik and her hellish prison of Doom? The fact that the Avengers were being hunted without provocation? Threatening every nation to not even think about waging war and destroying all their weapons? And Emma didn't need much poking to go all serial killer on us, neither did Magik...

#2 Posted by maki0129 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCrowbar said:

@maki0129 said:

Is that such a bad thing?

I mean, he cheated on Jean, stuck two underage girls into a wetworks squad, unconstitutionally founded his own country, sheltered a known terrorist and mutant supremacist in that country, declared every citizen of that country a member of a mutant army, went batshit insane with power to a point that was too much for even WOLVERINE... Is this REALLY where we're gonna draw the line folks?

Cyclops has been sliding down the idealism vs cyncism scale for a LOOOOONG while now... it's disingenous to pretend it's AvX that made him look like a complete jerkass. He's been nothing short of a complete jerkass for the last few years.

No one is saying he's not a cynic or cold. We're saying he was right.

Well, I'm saying he still deserves to go to jail.

#3 Edited by maki0129 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

1.) Jean had already locked lips with Wolverine during that time and essentially ignored him. Their relationship was all but dead and Jean gave her blessing to the relationship afterwards.

Then get a divorce like a grown ass man.

2.) He wasn't the founder of X-Force, Cable was. And Cyclops disbanded it, Wolverine is the one that continued it.

Actually If you see X-Force no.1 It was Cyclops that convinced Wolverine to continue X-Force once Messiah Complex was over (after which, the squad had been disbanded), and he was also the one that stuck Laura and Rahne in there.

3.) 200 mutants left on the planet, and he had no help from anyone else outside his race.

And that makes it OK to work with Magneto who threatened to exterminate the entire human race more than once?

4.) Was forced to, to avoid his people being murdered and enslaved by Norman Osborn during Dark Reign. Mind you, he came to Asgard and the Avenger's aid during Siege.

He could have just as easily seeked refuge in any nation, I'm pretty sure the QUEEN OF WAKANDA woudln't have minded to give it to them, but no, he decided to create his own like that was the only logica way out. IT WASN'T.

5.) To save the lives of innocent people.(Though sorta dickish)

Still unacceptable, specially since he didn't even think about it.

6.) He didn't force Wolverine out, he let Wolverine go and whoever wanted to go, with his blessing, hell he gave them a Blackbird for crying out loud. Psylocke was both on his security team and with Wolverine's X-Force.

He turned his whole little nation state into a militaristic isolationalist nation, he went power mad, to the extreme that even FUCKING WOLVERINE went "Woah, dude too far".

7.) He didn't invite the Phoenix Force to Earth. It was coming and there was nothing anyone could do about it. Keeping Hope in a "safehouse" wasn't going to stop something that could incinerate planets. He gave his word to Cable he'd protect Hope from the Avengers. Remember even in the end Tony Stark couldn't figure out how to stop the Phoenix. His first plan caused the Phoenix 5 to be created, they didn't grab power it was thrusted on them.

The Phoenix Force didn't need to get to Earth, Cyclops could have just as easily allowed the Avengers to take Hope with the condition that he could accompany her and then helped the Avengers develop countermeasures against the Phoenix Force, instead he wanted to force the power of the most powerful cosmic entity known to man to a small girl who wouldn't have been able to handle it at the moment, all because of some vague messianic delusion that all of mutant kind had already been forcing on her.

8.) How dare the most powerful being enforce world peace.

You can't ENFORCE peace, and you certainly can't force peace with threats, the U.S. of A has been trying that sort of interventionist policy for ages, and the rest of the world isn't all that crazy about it in case you hadn't noticed.

9.) The apparent reason was because they attacked him. Invaded his country and threatened the lives of his people.

And once he had control of the most powerful force on Earth and was essentially untouchable by any of them, he instead of deciding to renegotiate just branded them all criminals and allowed Magik to create her hell prison to retain them in. Awesome stuff...

10.) Emma goaded him into taking the power, you see that in Uncanny X-men.

"I can't believe you." - Emma Frost, AvX #11

Even if she goaded him, he didn't have to leave her at the Avengers' mercy like that.

11.) Who was already attacking him while the Avengers sieged him.

Already attacking him because by now it was obvious they had all gone batshit crazy. Which everyone warned them against BEFOREHAND... like... WAAAAAAAY before.

#4 Posted by maki0129 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

Is that such a bad thing?

I mean, he cheated on Jean, stuck two underage girls into a wetworks squad, unconstitutionally founded his own country, sheltered a known terrorist and mutant supremacist in that country, declared every citizen of that country a member of a mutant army, went batshit insane with power to a point that was too much for even WOLVERINE... Is this REALLY where we're gonna draw the line folks?

Cyclops has been sliding down the idealism vs cyncism scale for a LOOOOONG while now... it's disingenous to pretend it's AvX that made him look like a complete jerkass. He's been nothing short of a complete jerkass for the last few years.

#5 Posted by maki0129 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

It's hard not to have a problem with Cyclops, he's been nothing short of a complete jackass ever since the end of Whedon's run on the X-Men.

#6 Posted by maki0129 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh, give me a break. Suddenly you people are saying Cyclops is the good guy in this tale?

The Phoenix was destroying every planet in the way on its path to Earth, did Cyclops honestly expect the Avengers to sit idly by and let the Phoenix reach Hope and see what happened? They weren't even trying to kill her, they were only trying to lock her up and take her to a safe place while they dealt with the Phoenix, but Cyclops decided to just eyebeam Cap's ass, and assume they were doing it because they wanted to oppress mutants. Then he goes Phoenix, and while he is Phoenix he does do some nice things, along with some very questionable things like destroying every weapon in the world and holding every nation to an ultimatum, but its shown from the start that none of the Phoenix Five have the Phoenix force fully under control, Magik is suddenly holding people in a hellish prison, Emma goes all serial killer, Namor INVADES and nearly destroys Wakanda, and Cyclops tries to hold Hope prisoner against her will.

But sure... The Avengers are the bad guys here. Were they shortsighted at times, definitely, but fucking Cyclops was an asshole throughout this whole series, and Cyclops being an ass has been an ongoing issue for years.

Let's recap the last few years of Cyclops' history if we will:

- Cheated on his wife with a blonde, who wore his wife's favorite GENOCIDE costume.

- Founded a squad of assassins, in which he stuck TWO underage mutant girls.

- Allowed a known terrorist and mutant supremacist into the X-Men

- Unconstitutionally founded his own nation just off the coast of San Francisco.

- Ordered an untrained mutant teenage girl into battle against a bunch of mercenaries.

- Declared every citizen of Utopia part of his "army", forcing Wolverine to split off to his own school to protect them from Cyclops isolationist militaristic views.

- Invited a cosmic force known for destroying countless planets into Earth's backyard without ANY guarantee that it wouldn't incinerate Earth too.

- Threatened every nation of the world with destruction if they even think about armed conflict.

- Hunted down the Avengers for no apparent reason, and ordered their arrest into a hellish prison.

- Betrayed Emma Frost for her share of the Phoenix powers before even hitting Dark Phoenix stage.

- Killed Charles Xavier.

BUT THE AVENGERS ARE THE BAD GUYS HERE.

SERIOUSLY.