MagneticTempest

Ancient thread I know but something no one seemed to bring up the whole time:

Everyone accepts that Cyttorak is omnipotent and unkillable etc within the Crimson Cosmos. The argument lies in whether or not he will become sufficiently depowered once he leaves the Crimson Cosmos to be defeated by Mikaboshi.

However, this seems like flawed reasoning to me since unlike other mystical entities/cosmic beings/demons etc who created and now reside within their respective dimensions, Cyttorak (as proven by a multitude of scans above) IS his own dimension. His very essence makes up the realm in which he resides thus it cannot even be truly said that he actually "resides" there at all. If fact, following this same logic, he simply exists within the extra dimensional plane not IN the Crimson Cosmos but AS the Crimson cosmos.

This little piece of reasoning seems to have escaped the the notice of just about every writer who has dealt with Cyttorak in the past as he has so often been referenced to "residing within" the Crimson Cosmos yet other times (sometimes even in the same comic) it is stated that he or his essence actually is or makes up the Crimson Cosmos. This is why his power is truly unlimited in his own realm as opposed to only nigh-unlimited or near limitless etc (keep in mind, that I refer to Cyttorak in his own realm despite what I said about that concept being inaccurate and will continue to do so just for lack of a more accurate term that is easy to understand).

Continuing along this line of thinking, it can logically be concluded that since Cyttorak and the Crimson Cosmos are one in the same, and that his power is limitless there, that his power is in fact unlimited within the whole of the extra dimensional plane. Whether this extends to the dimensions of the other entities in the extra dimensional plane is debatable, however, as it has been proven that other beings can at least match the power of other extra dimensional entities within their own dimensions despite their supposed omnipotence there (eg Galactus battling Amagatto in his own dimension) Cyttorak would more than likely retain his unlimited power even in the dimensions of his extra dimensional counterparts (ie vishanti, other octessence members etc).

The true debate then, would be if this power extended to the multiverse as well. The main issue here is that much like shuma gorath and cthun, Cyttorak is too powerful to completely manifest himself in the multiverse and (unlike say cthun) he never has in the past. The quote concerning his banishment refers only to a time when Cyttorak had "limited" influence in the earth realm and it was only that "limited influence" that was banished. As such, the claim that Cyttorak was banished by a force more powerful than himself is not entirely correct since only a fraction of his power was ever in the multiverse to begin with.

That said, there is no evidence that Cyttorak in all his might has ever been in the multiverse which would be necessary in order for him (at the height of his power) to be banished. Due to this, it cannot be PROVEN either way that Cyttorak has or doesn't have limitless powerful in the multiverse. However, despite the OP saying it's Earth-616, it also says "both at their best" which is Chaos King Mikaboshi and Crimson Cosmos Cyttorak.

Make of that what u will and interpret it how you choose but really it's up to interpretation as to who would win.

Personally I'd say Cyttorak at this point but if someone could prove that even if he could fully manifest (in all his power rather than in a fractional, limited way) in the multiverse that his powers would be significantly diminished, then I would be more than willing to accept that Chaos King would defeat him.

First off, boy they have really down graded Celestials over the years. Sue Storm and the Apocalypse Twins feats alone.. What issue was this?

Really your comparison is an apples to oranges deal. Doom has a pretty good track record with cosmic beings….not so much when it comes to magic beings. This is really a 50/50 fight in a lot of ways. Doom himself has admitted the Loki is beyond his understanding. This was a literal point about how Doom tried to clone and understand what he was and could not.

Let me school you cats right quick. This is a stomp in Onslaughts favor. Thanos came to a brain dead comatose Xavier to fight a being called Goddess, who had amassed about 30 cosmic cubes. If he could fight her telepathically he wouldn't have went to someone who was brain dead to do so, and successfully at that.

Thanos used Moondragon who was in possession of the mind gem to contact Galactus. They then attacked Galactus, and he repelled them with the slightest of ease. Charles Xavier forced 9 Billion minds into Galactus mind while he was on the moon. Charles Xaier has defeated Multiple Phoenix Avatars and omega Level mutants on one on one tp battle. He's taken out Gods too. Now lets get to Onslaught who's a blood lusted Xavier with magnetic powers.

The first thing Onslaught did was defeat a Time traveling Doctor Doom with his infamous cosmic power absorbing device. And he got his butt kicked. Onslaught then followed that up by beating Juggernaut nearly to death making him feal pain, ripping his Gem out of his chest and then sealing him in it. That's before Franklin and Nathan. He then dominates Phoenix in telepathic battle more than once actually. The X-men, Avengers, Thor, unlimited strength mindless Hulk, And every hero on Marvel Earth and all they could do was banish him along with themselves. Onslaught did all this without a single Gem.