MagneticTempest

@MagneticTempest:

Astonishing X-Men is canon because it takes place in the 616 universe. AoA does not. The events that created it are caused it to be classified under a completely different universe. Some of which you referenced take place in divergent time lines. They are only canon to their respective universes.

@MagneticTempest:

Actually, no I would not at all. If X-Men Forever never was published, all those stories would still have been made.

Not that it matters anyway since one of the versions apparently is canon.

everything I know about Cloak is what I read in maximum carnage, he wasn't very impressive there.

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@JediXMan said:

Scarlet Witch Mad Jim Jaspers Full-power Cable Apocalypse Stryfe Nope. Some of the most powerful aren't Omegas - deal with it.

Unless something has changed since I'd been reading, i recall reading that true omega level requires molecular self control. Meaning your mutation allows you to consciously control the molecules in your body. Based on this definition, apocalypse from your list would be an omega level mutant.

As far as answering the question posed in the OP, I concur that MJJ is likely the most powerful non-omega mutant of all time.

Omega level mutant has never been clearly defined. The only reference I can even find as to what Omega Mutant clearly means is in X-Men Forever. An alternate universe and therefore, non-canon to the 616 universe.

X-Men: Forever is Canon. It's the series that goes in depth about Omega mutants. The term was created by Professor X in his memo during his diagnostic on Legion. Of course he didn't finish this memo because he died through changes of time and event. Legion killed him by accident. This is what created the Age of Apocalypse. People mistaken AoA as a 616 event... But it's not. It's event 295. AoA opened alot of "possibilities" in the main 616 universe concerning Earth and its time lines. Astonishing X-Men, X-Men Forever, The Uncanny Magneto War, the Uncanny Onslaught saga, Legacy are all extensions from the AoA. And AoA was created (by accident) by Legion during 1986 or somewhere around there. So the 1st Omega mutant was Legion through a memo. That memo was confiscated by government when Xavier died during another timeline. The Nimrod's in the future later recognizes that Rachael Summers is class Omega in 1986. Omega hasn't been mentioned for years until X-Men: Forever created around 2000.

X-Men Forever is NOT canon to the 616 universe. That is why it is called an ALTERNATE reality.

I think Cloak would suck Magneto dry (No Homo) once he is engulfed. Possibly killing Magneto. Keep in mind, once Magneto is inside the dark dimension he would be confronted with his worst fear while Cloak attempts to drain all his life force. What do ya'll think Magneto's worst fear is?

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Multiversal Gambit 1? (The Witness) Destroys Sinestro with a thought Multiversal Gambit 2? (New Son) Destroys Sinestro with a though  Full potential Iceman? Disperses Sinestro into the atmosphere as vapor  Full potential Storm 1? (Galactic Core) Destroys Sinestro Full potential Storm 2? (Rogue Storm) Destroys Sinestro   Current Colossus? (Avatar of Cyttorak) Smashes Sinestro  Unlimted Rogue? (Absorbs everyone) Crushes Sinestro       The X-Men have this.

It says nothing about most powerful versions. You want to toss in Sinestro with the power of the Life Entity?   Unless it specifies otherwise, it's current versions only.

I'll go by 2 months ago that way Colossus is not Juggernaut. They can still win.If Sinestro is bloodlusted, yes we'll wipe them out, but that's not in his character. He'll slip up as always. Scream at Gambit while Gambit bad mouths him when pinned and Gambit will spit a wad of bubble gum into Sinestro's wide open mouth and boom.

A) Even if Colossus was Juggernaut, Sinestro could just BFR him. B) When does Sinestro "slip up"? C) Gambit's cards won't do squat to Sinestro's shields. Sinestro's ring on the other hand, would turn Gambit to dust.

Like I said. Sinestro will yell at Gambit to his face, and Gambit will spit a wad of bubble gum into Sinestro's mouth.... If you don't know what I mean, it's one of Gambit most famous victory scenes.

I know what you mean. It's completely irrelevant here. Sinestro stomps.

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@CitizenBane said:

@MagneticTempest said:

Multiversal Gambit 1? (The Witness) Destroys Sinestro with a thought Multiversal Gambit 2? (New Son) Destroys Sinestro with a though  Full potential Iceman? Disperses Sinestro into the atmosphere as vapor  Full potential Storm 1? (Galactic Core) Destroys Sinestro Full potential Storm 2? (Rogue Storm) Destroys Sinestro   Current Colossus? (Avatar of Cyttorak) Smashes Sinestro  Unlimted Rogue? (Absorbs everyone) Crushes Sinestro       The X-Men have this.

It says nothing about most powerful versions. You want to toss in Sinestro with the power of the Life Entity?   Unless it specifies otherwise, it's current versions only.

I'll go by 2 months ago that way Colossus is not Juggernaut. They can still win.If Sinestro is bloodlusted, yes we'll wipe them out, but that's not in his character. He'll slip up as always. Scream at Gambit while Gambit bad mouths him when pinned and Gambit will spit a wad of bubble gum into Sinestro's wide open mouth and boom.

A) Even if Colossus was Juggernaut, Sinestro could just BFR him. B) When does Sinestro "slip up"? C) Gambit's cards won't do squat to Sinestro's shields. Sinestro's ring on the other hand, would turn Gambit to dust.

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Multiversal Gambit 1? (The Witness) Destroys Sinestro with a thought Multiversal Gambit 2? (New Son) Destroys Sinestro with a though  Full potential Iceman? Disperses Sinestro into the atmosphere as vapor  Full potential Storm 1? (Galactic Core) Destroys Sinestro Full potential Storm 2? (Rogue Storm) Destroys Sinestro   Current Colossus? (Avatar of Cyttorak) Smashes Sinestro  Unlimted Rogue? (Absorbs everyone) Crushes Sinestro       The X-Men have this.

It says nothing about most powerful versions. You want to toss in Sinestro with the power of the Life Entity?   Unless it specifies otherwise, it's current versions only.

Thor is not related to any sea creature. Aquaman's powers will not work on him.

Team 2 wins here, team1 wouldn't have anyway on pinning down BL Supes.

1. Use Henshaw to do it or destroy him and take his rings
2. Use the Power Cosmics or Quantum Bands to mimic the rings.
3. Adam Warlock summons Eternity, Lord Chaos, Master Order, Death, Oblivion, or the Living Tribunal