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The Civil War storyline is easily one of my favourite storylines due to heroes being pitted against each other and the clash of national security against personal liberties. One of the main interests for me in Civil War is What if DC did Civil War? In general, the public in the DC Universe is more trusting in its heroes than in the Marvel Universe. However, a Superhuman Registration Act is not out of the question in the DCU. Pro Registration, Anti Registration and Neutral sides will be included and the list is comprised of heroes, villains, teams and organisations if all the members of a team or organisation would be on one particular side.

Note: All these characters are in their Pre Flashpoint incarnations.

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Maybe Ambush Bug could report about the happenings

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@lvenger: Wally West is in Invisible Woman's role

Hmm perhaps I should change it to Spider-Man since Wally is more in the vein of a Spider-Man character than an Invisible Woman type character.

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@lvenger: Wally West is in Invisible Woman's role

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@batbro15: I thought my original list had Wally West seving in the Spider-Man role. Odd, is that not on there?

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I would say you need someone for Spider-man's role, but it would need to be someone who's unmasking would mean something huge. Maybe Flash? I would say Bats but he'd never do it

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@arzix: True, that could happen and The New Gods could pitch in at some point.

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@lvenger: I honestly think Darkseid sees this as an opportunity to concur the earth and just maybe the new gods will help their friends in need.

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@arzix: To be honest, I don't think they'd play into a DC Civil War. They're on a higher state of plane and stuff like superhero registration wouldn't even concern them. If they did hear about it or encounter it, they'd just leave Earth alone. It's not like anyone can stop them from Boom tubing away.

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@lvenger: So how about the new gods and Apokolips and the source and the Greek gods

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@vincent_valjean: True I didn't mention John Constantine. At the time I made this list, he was still mainly a Vertigo character and not a mainstream part of the DCU like he is currently. But if he were involved in my list, I'd say he would be neutral too. Constantine hardly strikes me as a government type lackey but he's also not a cape and costume fan either so I don't think he'd get involved in the conflict myself.

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You forgot to put John Constantine into this(and here I was,being curious in which side will he be)....

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this has got to be one of my favorite lists on this site. its thought provoking, and features a bunch of solid characters. ive come back to it a bunch of times to check it out. nice work

Thanks man, I appreciate your kind words and praise :)

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this has got to be one of my favorite lists on this site. its thought provoking, and features a bunch of solid characters. ive come back to it a bunch of times to check it out. nice work

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@lvenger:

My man! For extra drama, you could have Natasha join the Pro-Reg side initially only to get her mind right later and join her Uncle John & company.

Kids today. What can ya do?

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@heraldofganthet: Hmm good point, even with his high connections and industrial background, I can't deny that Steel would go against the Pro Reg side and fight against them on the Anti Registration team. Maybe I'll add him to the list, thanks for the suggestion! :)

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@lvenger:

Cool idea. I would actually read this under one condition: Steel is Anti-Reg. That due to his working for and becoming a multi-millionaire at a corrupt government contractor like Amertech. He knows what evil a bureaucracy can do ESPECIALLY with this kind of information (secret identities, powers, weaknesses, etc...). No way he'd let himself be a part of that and as much as it would hurt him to do so, he'd fight his former allies to prevent his hand from being forced to join. Batman would also likely need tech support and backup since he'd also be leading the charge in his side of the war. Having Steel as his right hand man would take a great burden off of his shoulders, IMO.

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@greenlantern2814_: Given I've been reading comics for 7 years and read most of Geoff Johns' GL run, I think I'm entitled to say I know the characters. And there are circumstances where Hal would be willing to act as Pro Reg leader.

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Obviously you don't, John and Kyle are the only Lanterns who would seriously consider the pro reg. There are a number of reasons as to why Hal wouldn't be in there: Repeatedly striking superior officers, poor conduct, failure to obey orders, described as a hothead and reckless. Plus outside of the military aspect, Hal has a lot of respect for Batman and visa versa, despite their obvious problems and distrust after Hal became parallax and then came back to life, so I seriously doubt Hal would be on the side of pro reg. Though there are arguments against, such as protecting his family and Carol, I doubt Hal would allow that to stop him.

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@greenlantern2814_: Well of course you are though I am allowed to disagree and explain my reasoning. And for one I do know a lot about the Lanterns' characters, especially Hal, John and Kyle. The former two have experience with the military and just like Hal is doing with the Green Lantern Corps currently, might feel the need to stabilise the situation and become the Pro Reg leader. After all, Tony Stark was initially against registration but then changed his tune and become the main advocate for it.

The valid point has also been raised that the JSA refused to reveal their identities to the government after WWII and went into retirement, meaning that they're unlikely to side with the government here. It's just that I needed characters to be on the Pro Reg side since, realistically, most DC heroes would be against The Registration Act if it ever happened in the DC Universe anyway.

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Can I just say this is badly done? If you're seriously considering putting all the Green Lanterns as pro reg and all the flashes, then you really don't know much about their characters. Allen Scott, as you pointed out, was once White King at Checkmate. Depending on the timeline, he could be pro, anti or neutral.

Hal would definitely be against pro reg, as would Guy, potentially John and Kyle I could see signing up as pro reg. For the Flash family, Jay would go neutral or anti (Possibly retire again), Barry would probably argue that registration is a good idea. Wally could be any of the three options, Bart would be against, as a teenager and a member of the Titans.

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@transformers1024: Probably on the anti heroes side or serving in the role of The Punisher in this conflict. Hey that's what I should have put him as in the first place, Jason totally fits the role of The Punisher here with his anti hero agenda and lethal methods doesn't he?

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Where would Jason Todd go?

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@vandinejd_1991: Hmmm good point actually. They could play the role of the mind controlled villains that were used in Civil War or they could just be neutral and running free based on the chaos the Civil War would be causing.

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Where are Batman's enemies?

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@kidamazo29: Interesting idea. Not sure which DC characters would fit where though.

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How about you try to create a list for the 50 state initiative

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Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought of this.

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@lvenger said:

@flazam: I've seen better but thank you. Also I understand you and @arkhamc1tizen: want to do another list. He's asked me already and I've said it's fine :)

@captainlantern76 had the second best list but yours makes more sense,your point about Hal being Pro-Reg leader makes more sense than Superman being Pro-Reg. But I agree with Ray Palmer being Pro , Jason Todd being Punisher in the event and some other stuff. But basicly your idea should be adapted by DC. Right now!!!

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@flazam: I've seen better but thank you. Also I understand you and @arkhamc1tizen: want to do another list. He's asked me already and I've said it's fine :)

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Best List on Comic vine!!! It should be pinned

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@lvenger said:

@arkhamc1tizen: Thank you. This is like my pet project on Comicvine and one of the most popular things I've done on here. It's generated a lot of off shoots which I'd recommend looking at too.

oh can you give me links

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@arkhamc1tizen: Thank you. This is like my pet project on Comicvine and one of the most popular things I've done on here. It's generated a lot of off shoots which I'd recommend looking at too.

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epic list

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@lvenger said:

@flazam: Put who in charge? Me? No I'd be no good at coordinating events. I'd actually make it good which is something DC and Marvel don't want :P

lol

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@flazam: Put who in charge? Me? No I'd be no good at coordinating events. I'd actually make it good which is something DC and Marvel don't want :P

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okay if they do DC civil war put this guy incharge

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@thor_ul: This is a first I have to say. Usually it's other things people object to but Batman being Pro Registration? I just can't see it. Hell I could be convinced Superman might reluctantly be on the Pro Reg side but Batman? He just doesn't seem to fit. The Pro Reg side would require him to give up his identity and independence, something he wholly relies on for his war on crime in Gotham. Batman Inc operates outside of the government's control in each country a representative is in so I can't see how he would be on the Pro Reg side given his relationship with the law.

Oh and @bluelantern1995: go right ahead. Other people have asked permission for the same thing and their lists have been very impressive. Just tell me when you've made it as I'd like to see what you've come up with :P

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@lvengerI've always found this list to be fascinating. Some things I disagree with(like Batman being Anti-Registration) but other than those one or two problems. I agree with the bulk of it...Good job. Might make my own list like this if you don't mind.

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Batman anti-registration? At first sight, could be. But, is?

WHO built Brother Eye (In 2 different continuities)? WHO had a secret cabinet with secrets plans to take down his friends?(again in 2 different continuities) WHO is a millionare playboy by day in the same fashion of Iron Man? WHO also as obsession with high tech toys and spies on his friends like Iron Man?

For me Bruce Wayne is the ultimate paranoid -control freak. He would said he is anti registration but surreptitiously he would be manipulating the pro side to take the control for himself and put himself or some puppet character in control. He like secrets? Yes, but only if those are his secrets. The rest of the world can't keep their own secrets from the obsessive Batman.

Batman, poster face for the pro side, I say.

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This is a good list

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@dngn4774: To the forums? I've never thought of doing that. Might be an interesting blog post. But I'm sure your work on this subject matter will be far better than mine! KRspacet compiled a far superior DC Civil War list than I could ever hope to achieve. I'll look out for your writing on a DC Civil War fan fic! Is it a fan fic or something else?

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I really love your list, I'm planning on doing something similar in my writings as well. It'd be cool if you brought an issue like this to the forums as well.

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I agree. To be honest, with all the bad things dones by the government in Marvel comics, the idea that anyone would trust them was the most unbelievable part about the whole Civil War atrocity of a story arc. It's as though no one in Marvel has the attention span to remember all the terrible things the government has done by way of Gyrich with the Avengers, for example, or Hydra in the White House, or the replacement of Steve Rogers with the Super-Patriot as the new Captain America.

It has been said many times in comic book circles that Siege was Marvel's apology for Civil Wars, which is why Norman Osborn becomes the "Iron Man" character of his warped version of the Avengers. Osborn was transformed from Spider-Man's great nemesis into Iron Man's "oh my god what have I done???" nemesis, in many ways behaving in the Siege story arc as a nasty parody of Iron Man's worst actions during the Civil Wars story arc.

I notice that in the films, Marvel has been very careful to present a Tony Stark who would NEVER be on the pro-Reg side!

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@name_already_chosen: Thanks for the very interesting points! Made for some entertaining reading! I particularly liked the mention of the Task Force X/Suicide Squad links. It did remind me that the DCU would be less likely to trust the government to control them.

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It seems highly unlikely that any superhero who knows about Task Force X or Project Cadmus would trust the government to behave responsibly with a superhero registration such as occurred in the Marvel Comics, as this would have meant that President Lex Luthor would have known the names of all registered superheroes (is there anything Lex wouldn't have done to Ma and Pa Kent to bend Superman to his will? or to Alfred to control The Batman?) amd that Amanda Wallace would have had control over all unregistered superheroes who ended up in prison for violation of the Registration Act -- and Cadmus would have had easy access to their DNA to build all the Soldiers of Mass Destruction that Generals Eiling and Lane could imagine.

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Some of your choices make sense. However, none of the original Justice Society members, such as Alan Scott or Jay Garrick would ever join the pro-Registration side because they dealt with this once before under Senator McCarthy's malevolent ambitions in the House Unamerican Activities Committee.

The original Justice Society had disbanded specifically in protest of the pro-Registration efforts back in the 1950s, and history has vindicated them repeatedly since then. Therefore, not only would they openly refuse a Registration movement, they would advise everyone who looks up to them to refuse it as well.

Similarly, if Billy Batson, Mary Batson, or Freddy Freeman utilized the wisdom of Solomon, they would know ahead of time what the Marvel mini-series proved: that superhero registration is a terrible idea and only enables mad dogs such as Senator McCarthy, Norman Osborn, and certain recent political figures to grab onto a fascistic level of power.

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Thanks. It's my labour of love on here.