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#1 Posted by Lvenger (18226 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Is there any other way I can answer your question? The reason why Batman is a cash grab is because he's the film rather than it being a stand alone Man of Steel sequel. Warner Bros want this sequel to sell so they've shoved Batman in to build up more hype and attract the Bat fans to this film. With the disappointment MOS was, I'd rather be sceptical about its obvious problems rather than blindly overlook them.

#2 Posted by Lvenger (18226 posts) - - Show Bio

He's trying to use Batman as a springboard for making Hal more popular. Nothing new there in Johns' lack of understanding for Batman.

#3 Posted by Lvenger (18226 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: A fair point. It would be speculation to assume who is in the film

I seriously don't understand Superman fans right now. We can get to see comic's greatest friendship on the big screen with an epic team up, see Clark develop as a person after the fallout of his first heroics in MOS, and reboot Batman into a new universe without going into his origin AGAIN, and potentially expand the DC cinematic universe. This is awesome. What are you guys angry about?

All of what you've listed is too much for one film. Not to mention Snyder and Goyer are writing it and they're what was wrong with Man of Steel. Plus it screams cash grab to have Batman in there and stifles the variety of the wider DC Universe. Does that answer your question?

@lvenger: The plot points can't be resolved with the addition of an extra character? How exactly? If you mean that by they won't have enough space because of his inclusion and that they're cramming him in, he'll probably have as much origin and inclusion as the average villain (not saying he is a villain). If they use Lex Luthor, he doesn't need much backstory and would probably hate Superman because of what happened in the first film. But it is Superman's movie and will probably emphasize him much more.

Because they need to introduce this extra character and give him almost as much screen time as Superman. When Superman should get a film of his own for the fall out of Man of Steel.

#4 Posted by Lvenger (18226 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: I am getting so sick of telling this to people, but:

All we know about the film is that it exists. It's WAY too early to claim that Batman has been crammed into it. See the film before you judge it. They might fit Batman in well and establish his character for future films. I can't tell, I haven't seen it yet.

It's evident Batman has been crammed in BECAUSE he's Warner Bros and DC's biggest cash cow. I'm getting a bit tired of telling people this as well. Look at the Nolan Bat trilogy for example. Batman's inclusion raises all sorts of issues about a Man of Steel sequel since plot points from the first film can't all be dealt with whilst introducing Batman too. It's plain obvious cramming in and Warner Bros stifling variety by sticking with what they know. By contrast, Marvel have opened a delicatessen of comic book movies and are outshining DC massively in that department. And this is coming from a DC fan who wants a live action Superman/Batman film to do well.

#5 Posted by Lvenger (18226 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@lvenger said:

@lilben42: Same here. The fact Batman has been shoved into this film demonstrates that confidence levels in Man of Steel and the DC Cinematic universe as a whole is not good. A sequel to Man of Steel is needed and a good one at that. Having Batman in the picture deprives the opportunity to wrap up plot points from there. Even the successful Iron Man had a sequel before leaping into the wider cinematic universe.

Don't you think the plot points can still be resolved in this film? I mean with the world crapping them selves over a massively powerful alien setting up shop in there largest city, don't you think that's the kind of thing Batman would get involved with? He'd be the personification of the human races fear of superheroes

No because Batman has to be crammed into it and the new actor needs to be introduced. More time should be spent on Man of Steel specific fallout, not adding more evident financial security in place.

It's only one more character, all the MoS characters (Perry, Lois ect) are stated to return so I don't see why adding Batman will be cramming anything

There's also Batman's supporting cast to consider too. The logo is the Superman/Batman one which indicates they're marketing it as a World's Finest movie meaning Batman gets plenty of screen time too.

#6 Posted by Lvenger (18226 posts) - - Show Bio
#7 Posted by Lvenger (18226 posts) - - Show Bio

@fadetoblackbolt: Are you serious about that? If you are, I'll PM you since this would be going off topic from the thread. And whilst I do agree a crossover is a better way to kick the ball rolling, I'd rather have a Man of Steel sequel first along with some solo movies before a World's Finest then a Justice League film. And finally DC films are sorely lacking in variety Fade. The only films they can get right have to have Superman or Batman in them. Green Lantern bombed whilst Watchmen and V for Vendetta have mixed receptions. You can bash Marvel's film quality all you want but at least they put out a helluva lot of variety in their films. Their recent announcements have excited me more than this. But let's end this here since I fancy testing you on TDKR plot holes given your expertise in the Nolan trilogy.

Ultron is a good villain but I doubt he's gonna have a major role,he'll just be something the Avengers pound on at the climax after they're done with all the infighting and cheesy one liners. Hope I'm wrong but this is the most likely course of action that the film will take. Likewise Nolan barely had any input when it comes to MOS and I certainly wouldn't say that it sucked.

As for TDKR and it's plot holes...eh I'm tired but with the exception of Bruce's knee I believe they can all be swept away with a small amount of thinking.

Fair enough and I suppose I don't think it sucked. It was disappointing however for me in many ways. And Nolan's influence can be felt in Snyder not making the mistakes he usually does with his directing. But other mistakes cropped up. As for TDKR plot holes, I'm about to test Fade on that since I don't think they can be.

#8 Edited by Lvenger (18226 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@lilben42: Same here. The fact Batman has been shoved into this film demonstrates that confidence levels in Man of Steel and the DC Cinematic universe as a whole is not good. A sequel to Man of Steel is needed and a good one at that. Having Batman in the picture deprives the opportunity to wrap up plot points from there. Even the successful Iron Man had a sequel before leaping into the wider cinematic universe.

Don't you think the plot points can still be resolved in this film? I mean with the world crapping them selves over a massively powerful alien setting up shop in there largest city, don't you think that's the kind of thing Batman would get involved with? He'd be the personification of the human races fear of superheroes

No because Batman has to be crammed into it and the new actor needs to be introduced. More time should be spent on Man of Steel specific fallout, not adding more evident financial security in place.

#9 Posted by Lvenger (18226 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark: I have and I can see why you'd think that. Frank's artwork is absolutely stellar in that story. Definitely one of Johns' best Superman stories.

#10 Edited by Lvenger (18226 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@fadetoblackbolt said:

Hahahahahahhahahahhaha, killed any chance of this being good.

Now only the mentally challenged (which, to be fair ,is most of this site) will like it.

I fail to see how taking a name from that rubbish event makes this worse than the cash grabbing shoe horned World's Finest movie Fade. I'm very disappointed in that myself.

How is it cash-grabbing? Man of Steel hasn't done as well as hoped. Batman doesn't need another solo film. Putting the two together to grow the fanbase of Superman and then using it to propel him off to further stories is the most intelligent marketing decision they could have made. An intelligent film (as all Nolanverse hero films have been) with these two will be stellar.

On the other hand, more of the brain-numbing stupidity of Whedon's Avengers combined with the idiocy of adding a villain like Ultron into a film that is already too full of pointless characters (Falcon, SW, Quiksilver) is just so incredibly idiotic that it will definitely get 5 stars from G-Man.

Batman is DC and Warner Bros biggest cash cow. Putting him in there is a sign that they're not confident enough in a Man of Steel sequel. This means plot points from Man of Steel will be ignored in favour of giving the new Batman actor a push. And as for your intelligent film comment, I'll address it in two parts. Firstly, listen to this video. It is a rant at the news so ignore it if you wish but I implore you to skip to about 3:50 and listen to an excerpt from the announcement. Here an actor quotes from Frank Millar's The Dark Knight Returns, in particular the line Batman says to Superman after beating him with PIS which was the genesis Batman wanking. They say they're not adapting it but there will be influences felt in the film. For a Superman fan, that graphic novel had him even more out of character than Man of Steel. And if Batman manages to ridiculously beat Superman, that'll do way more harm than good.

Secondly, Nolan's 'intelligent films' play against him. Inception was confusing as hell and poorly paced whilst TDKR had more plot holes than even Bendis manages to put in one of his comics. Nolan's style of film making plays against him and with his presence on the project along with Snyder and Goyer, I'm not impressed. Those three were the major reason why Man of Steel sucked as badly as it did and with Goyer and Snyder writing the script, I have little trust in what they have planned. And to defend Whedon's films, Ultron is an awesome choice for a villain and I'd sit down to watch Avengers over any of Nolan's films any day of the week.