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But why was he hurt when he changed back?

I figured that if you happened to see this thread, you'd disagree with the argument that Superman's secret identity should be handled in the way that Daredevil's is on the basis that it works in the context of the story. Plus both are different characters living in different environments so what works for one doesn't work for the other.

@highaccuser: That's a fair rebuttal, I can see why your point of bad writing serves a good explanation for how that happened. Though I'm not sure how being stunned results in Captain Marvel reverting back to Billy with blood coming down his face.

So demonstrating the flaws of your arguments means I don't know what I'm talking about? Good to know.

Nope my logic is to use the numerous instances where Superman has speed blitzed his enemies in the past and tanked massive bolts of lightning from an elemental manipulator which you continue to do the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears. Luckily my former debunking doesn't apply in this speed equalised fight so that just leaves you with the latter debunk.

Lol you seem to have a false understanding of the battle forum rules if you think that's why the Hyperion vs Aquaman thread stayed open. It stayed open because it wasn't a total mismatch (even though there were those who believed Hyperion stomped Aquaman) and because there were no flame wars or bad behaviour in the comments. If too many users disagree angrily with each other, then the thread is locked amongst other reasons. This mistake is understandable though since you seem new here.

If by downplaying Orm I demonstrated how Batman wasn't burnt into a charred pile of ash or that Aquaman wasn't one shotted like he was before even though in both instances Orm had no reason to hold back, I find that an odd definition of downplaying to be honest.

That was the only area you were actually able to prove me wrong in something since the scans I cited were from a later part of The Obsidian Age storyline. And even though Orm restraining Superman was clearly dumb PIS I conceded where I'd gone wrong, something you seem incapable of doing even though several viners have shown much stronger arguments with more accurate evidence like @buttersdaman000 which counter your arguments and show why Superman is still clearly superior to Aquaman even in a speed equalised fight.

Well my debating technique is to use logical arguments, critical analysis, my knowledge of the characters or finding out about a character, accurate citation of evidence and reasonable logic which adds up to a sound conclusion so not quite.

My 12 wins in Challenge a Viner debates and being voted into the Debaters Hall of Fame would beg to differ with you I'm afraid. I'm considered a debater who does know what he's talking about on certain areas of the battle boards, especially on Superman. So tough luck with that baseless accusation, you gave it your best shot at badmouthing me I'll say.

@soldierofel: Not at all, Huck sounds like a very good genuinely nice comic. Why are you worried that the film adaptation will purposefully make Huck a grittier and darker story? Because that's what audiences want to see in movies?

Looks like I might be busy tomorrow, seems education will be in order if this is really what some people are willing to assert about this match up.

@ecstaticgrace: How is it that my saying "It's a good feat for Aquaman but it doesn't prove he can harm or beat Superman" add up to me downplaying? I showed you examples of Superman and other characters being knocked away without being hurt along with Superman's durability feats and you just pretended you never saw it. As for the Orm instance I recall pointing out how the end of Thrones of Atlantis contradict what happens when Orm KOs Superman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman with lightning and you trying to apply scientific definitions of lightning to reach some bogus conclusion and maintain the absurdity of the most powerful being on the planet being KOed by lightning when he's survived worse consistently.

Lol that would be a very inaccurate accusation and very much in the wrong. Plus Aquaman is hardly lowballed on the CV battle forums at all, he's right where he should be for the most part in terms of his rating. You're more responsible for misrepresenting Aquaman if anything since your interpretation is very much outside his usual power level. If you recall from the Hyperion vs Aquaman thread, I did say to Ashrym in reply to one of his posts I think that I could prove Superman could beat Aquaman even if speed was equalised. Well now seems to be my chance to demonstrate that and address your grievous errors in asserting Aquaman can take a majority against the massively stronger, more powerful and versatile Superman.

He's got you there ILS lol.

At this point I don't even need to say anything, the Vine can practically read my mind on this subject by now.

@highaccuser: I did say the first one was a sucker blitz to cover my tracks but the second one can be considered a one shot potentially. Captain Marvel had no reason to turn back and could have easily overpowered Batman without resorting to trickery. He obviously used the transformation to catch Batman off guard but given that he goes toe to toe with Superman, why would he need to trick Batman?