@lvenger said:
@slimj87d: Thanks! You bring up some interesting points that make a lot of sense. It's the best estimate for Prime's strength IMO. The only problem is the people who believe otherwise.
The people that believe otherwise have variables in their arguments.
1. Reality wall, what the heck is it? We don't know anything about this wall that holds reality or what strength it requires to bust through it.
2. Phantom zone. Again, this confuses me because does it really take strength or could it be because Prime is from another reality? It's just a weird feat and there's no way to translating it into a feat of strength.
3. Universal explosion. Prime was still in his adult form when it happened.
So somehow this translates to Prime being on par or even stronger than Silver Age Superman. Silver Age Superman who as a boy towed and pulled 50 to 100s of planets that went off panel as compared to the Superman we were used to reading that needed help towing a planet from Hal or from Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman.
What happens when we do some math here? That means Prime should be somewhere from 150 to 200+ times stronger than Superman. If that were completely true, he shouldn't have been pushed back by 2 Supermen. He should have just poked Connor Kent in the forehead and Connor should have just died. Connor and Krypto shouldn't have been able to draw blood from his mouth and pierce his skin.
How is Superboy-Prime supposed to be 150 to 200 times more powerful than Superman and on par with SA Superman when from my memory he's never one shotted any of the true heavy hitters with a big name to themselves like MM, Superman, Black Adam and even Superboy?
For consistency sake, FOR THE SAKE OF CONSISTENCY (being dramatic here), he can't be anymore than 2 or 3 times more powerful than Superman. And that's not lowballing either. That's a feat right there. This is like comparing Rick Jones to Captain America, Luke Cage to the Thing, etc.
For some reason this math (him being 2 or 3 times stronger than Superman) upsets people. Flame wars have been caused by this evidence
"THat's PIS!" Or is it? In the story where he was made into a villain he was defeated by the Flashes, went 1 on 1 with Connor and defeated by 2 Supermen.
"That's lowballing, he eats universal explosions!" Yeah, when he's still Guardian amped and in his adult body.
"It's comics, of course he's not going to one shot everyone!" Then they bring up him killing canon fodder lanterns. Remember, Lanterns were dying during that war with everything. Just energy projectiles form rings. Hell, even John Stewart was able Yellow lanterns with a gun construct he made form his will.
"He eats and $hits the Anti-Monitor our for breakfast! And takes on Guardians that can blow up a universe!" Did the Anti-Monitor not take on these Guardians himself and then was blown up by a yellow power battery? Also, where have the Guardians ended a universe? On the DC Wikia page?
We'll never convince people that are fans of his. And you'll notice a very common pattern between these fanboys, it's like they all come from the same place with the same points and even same demeanor with the way they debate. They don't like to discuss his low showings, they'll just call PIS but marvel or exaggerate anything he does that sounds impressive to them. To them, there is no debating nor is there any discussion. There is absolutely no evidence or no way to sway them of their beliefs.
You know these types of people, you get a vibe from them where they are not open to anyone elses opinions except for ones that support their own. They're not here to discuss and compromise at possibilities with you. It's their way or the highway. Those vibes are easy to pick up on. The hard part for someone like you and I or even the high posters is to ignore these guys. They got no street cred with our community, yet we lose every time we give them time.
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