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A Super Disappointment? - My Man of Steel Review (Spoilers)

Since Man of Steel has been released for a while I figure I can discuss spoilers in this review on a comic book site where most people will probably have seen the movie before me. However, if you haven’t seen the movie yet, then don’t go further than this paragraph to avoid spoilers. Anyway, I finally got around to seeing Man of Steel yesterday as a post exam treat. And what did this Superman fan think of it? The title indicates it but I’ll let my review speak for myself.

Firstly, I suppose I should go over what I did like about this film. Overall, Man of Steel possesses a very strong cast who deliver spectacularly on their roles. Russell Crowe turned his role of Jor-El from a glorified cameo that Marlon Brando made it in the first Superman films into an awesome badass father for Superman. Given his past roles in action films, it shouldn’t be a surprise that Crowe’s Jor-El is a bit more active. Yet Crowe imbues Jor-El with a natural authority that particularly comes across in the early scenes of the film when talking to the Council and confronting Zod. He also serves as a strong guiding force for Superman when they finally meet and you can see the impact Jor-El will have on Clark becoming Superman being as strong an influence as Jonathan Kent. Speaking of Jonathan Kent, the other Robin Hood of a Dad for Superman, Kevin Costner, is an excellent source of moral wisdom for Clark in the flashback sequences. He displays Jonathan Kent’s moral intuition on solving moral problems very well which shows how his influence on Clark guided him into becoming the man he was capable of being. And I thought that how he died was quite a poignant event in Clark’s life. Diane Lane also plays a fantastic Martha Kent, filled with the love and care of any great mother whilst also making it clear that it was not just Jonathan Kent who played a prominent role in shaping Clark Kent.

Furthermore, the main villains of this piece are very much the sinister pair. Michael Shannon makes a brilliant megalomaniac out of Zod whose intentions are understandable. He was born to protect the people of Krypton and even throughout all his violent, despicable crimes committed in the film, he is trying to ensure his people’s survival the whole time. And when that’s taken away from him, Shannon plays up Zod’s loss in spectacular fashion in that last fight. But the real surprise star is Antje Traue’s Faora. It’s not a long performance by any means but Faora gets an awesome mean streak along with some ominous lines delivered excellently by Traue. Plus Fishbourne plays the no nonsense yet also has a heart Perry White well enough.

You’ll notice I haven’t talked about Henry Cavill as Superman yet. Well, to his credit, he is much better suited to the role of Superman than Christian Bale ever was to the role of Batman. Cavill does the best he can out of a limited script. For instance, When he talks to the authorities, or anyone for that matter, it has the perfect blend of respect, directness and control. That’s a good product of the modern version of Superman. Still, Cavill's Supes is a lonelier, darker character than previous installments, but that is a product of the script, not the actor. I will discuss that more later.

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Next, I’ll move onto the story itself. Was it good? Well it was decent enough to follow. It played out in much the same way a Superman origin story would be played out but there were some interesting additions. I liked the inclusion of the Bryne/Post Crisis notion of a Krypton that had expanded into the universe before becoming xenophobic and committing to birth control. Kal-El’s birth was what broke the mould and made him unique in being able to forge his own destiny. That was played up well in the film via Crowe’s quote “What if a child dreamed of becoming something other than what society intended?” Also the flashbacks were the highlight of the film for me as they really looked at what Clark had to go through when he was younger and the differences he possessed were a real fear to young Clark. Credit has to go to the young actor who played him for pulling that off very well. And I enjoyed the Birthright influence of Clark travelling the world as a mysterious figure taking remote jobs and saving lives without many knowing who he really was. Meeting Jor-El was pretty well handled as well. The first two thirds or so of the film do progress well in terms of story flow. It’s the final third where things get difficult.

As Snyder is directing the film, I had no doubt there would be over the top epic visual effects and I was not disappointed. Snyder really upped the game in what we can do visually in a film. Krypton was filled with gorgeous wildlife, epic aerial battles and a harrowingly looking planetary explosion. Superman’s first flight was a real treat and I liked how Snyder made him practice first before giving us the epic scene of Superman properly lifting off that had me grinning the entire time. Superman’s flight has never looked so good. And what an action packed feast it was! From Jor-El and Zod’s confrontation on Krypton to Superman’s fight with Faora and Non to Superman vs Zod, Snyder pulled off the look and feel of these fights very well. The punches looked authentic and it was practically how I imagined a bunch of godlike aliens would fight. Tearing up streets, buildings and anything in their way made for spectacular visual effects. Although they bring their own problems to the table, Nolan and Goyer do act as good steadying influence on Snyder so he doesn’t make his past mistakes.

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However, as you may have noticed by the title, these positives are going to be weighed down by some crippling flaws. Let me begin with the least of these. There are 3 actresses whose roles I didn’t like. Aylet Zurer played a forgettable Lara in all honesty. Her role was inconsequential and not done well. Also Jenny Olsen was literally the most pointless character I have ever seen in a film. Nothing new was brought to the table with a female actress replacing the male Jimmy Olsen. A male actor could have played the same role and could have done just as good a job as the female actress. Finally, although I love Amy Adams in The Fighter, she played a Lois that was wet behind the ears. She seemed quite moralistic which played into the film’s theme of how Superman is shaped by those around him. But she didn’t have the spunk or defining edge that other actresses such as Margot Kidder or Teri Hatcher brought to the role in the past.

Secondly, I really don’t like the tone of Nolan’s films. Especially not what he does with my two favourite comic book characters. His way of filmmaking is highly overrated if you ask me. By trying to make Superman into a truly believable character that could exist in our world, he mutes the actual believable nature of Superman. That is, Nolan’s tone clashes with the very notion of Superman as a bright ideal of the best humanity can possibly be. Nolan tries to bring this about in the film but it is executed in a way that makes the film cold and hollow. This coldness also comes from the added sci fi tone of the film injected into it. It severely lacks the heart and substance of what makes Superman the character he is. There isn’t any lightness or friendliness to this Superman. Nor is there a gentility or friendliness to the character that the first two Superman films captured in an abundance. Nolan seems to ignore the sincerity of the values that Superman stands for. Instead, he opts for a bleak, morally ambiguous introspective look at Superman. And Superman is not about moral ambiguity but moral certainty. He has been raised by the Kents who instilled within him one of the strongest ethical compasses seen in a fictional character. He does not worry what the right thing to do is because he unquestionably knows how to act on it. He can face opposition and doubts, that’s not what I’m objecting to. What I am objecting to is that Superman can’t seem to grasp what the right thing to do is when the essence of his character is about doing the right thing.

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Furthermore, the story doesn’t lend itself to the film. Despite the first two thirds being the better part, it still jumps around from flashback to present back to a flashaback etc. It really bemused me that Goyer was unable to keep a steady flow or focus on the story, instead opting for a confusing jump around. I would have liked to seen a more concise structure to the story that kept the viewers engaged and focused on events rather than moving backwards and forwards to different parts of the story. What’s more, the story’s structure is very poorly paced. We have exposition, origin and character introductions in the first part of the film. Then, in the last part, we have the action packed invasion of the Phantom Zone escapees. It’s poorly paced and doesn’t move as succinctly as it should do. I would have preferred it if the action sequences weren’t left until the last minute so that the last part of the film didn’t feel as shallow as it did. And the themes were not subtly placed at all. Take the ridiculous religious imagery for example. Clark goes to see a reverend (who according to the Easter Egg details on a website was Father Leone from For Tomorrow. Nice.) and is positioned right behind a stained window of Jesus. It just seems detrimental to Superman to even think of linking him to any religious doctrine. Yes I know Superman was created by two Jewish teenagers and that the parallels between the biblical story of Moses is evident but Superman has outgrown that now. He represents the best of humanity, the ideal human nature that we should all strive towards. He should not be bogged down in stupid Jesus comparisons. And I am really not a fan of how seemingly everyone knows who Superman is. Lois, Father Leone, hell he even says he’s from Kansas to General Swanwick! Talk about giving away personal information. He may as well discard the Clark Kent disguise since everyone knows who he is. As Lois now knows who Clark is, it removes the relationship present in the earlier comics that made the pairing of Lois and Clark so charming in their trying to one up each other along with the suspicion surrounding Clark. Now that can’t come into play which is a real shame.

Finally, this film’s greatest sin is not understanding the core of Superman’s character. As I said earlier, Nolan’s tone along with the sci fi feel of the film makes Superman’s character cold, hollow and kind of hopeless. To use the words of my mother after seeing the film, Superman comes across as nothing more than a glorified super soldier. There is no sense of him being the protector of humanity when his battles with the Kryptonians destroy more buildings and probably (if we’re being realistic as Nolan likes to be) killed far more people than he saved. Seriously, Metropolis is a blooming wreck after Superman and Zod fought in it. What exactly is Superman the protector of now, a construction site? Also I didn’t get the sincerity of Superman’s values in this film nor a friendliness or being able to approach this character. I wanted to be inspired, I wanted to root for my all time favourite superhero on this big screen appearance of his. But I couldn’t. I just couldn’t. There was hardly anything of my all time favourite fictional character on there. Especially not after THAT SCENE. Let me tell you what I was thinking beforehand. As Superman had Zod in a choke hold and Zod’s heat vision was edging ever closer towards the family, I was thinking “This’ll be where he shows us that there’s always another way to solve our problems, a better way that we can aspire to. He wouldn’t break...” And then I heard Zod’s neck snap. I almost shouted “No!” in the theatre and a few of the people sitting next to me gave me funny looks which prompted in a short snap from my mother not to be so dramatic. But that was when my heart broke. This is going to cause some major disagreement when you read this but Superman does not kill. Not even as a last resort. I’m sorry but that is not the character is at all about. At the core of his character, Superman’s greatest strength and most appealing characteristic is his ethical compass. It is one built on his upbringing by the Kents as salt of the earth people who raised their child to be as special and as principled as they could. This was so when he grew up, he could shoulder the weight of the world on his shoulders. That ethical compass never came across in Man of Steel and if you don’t get Superman’s ethical compass right, you don’t get the right Superman film. At all. And for those who say that was the only way he could stop Zod, what about throwing him away, punching him, kicking him, flying high up into the sky? Those are 3 things off the top of my head and I’m hardly a good writer. Goyer had a duty to write Superman better than this and if it wasn’t him who ordered Superman’s killing of Zod, then whoever did has earned my ire at destroying the essence of what makes Superman who he is. And for those of you who cite the times Superman has killed in the comics, I’ll debunk those in the comments.

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Overall, I was tempted to give this a a lower score and do away with the DC Cinematic Universe. When I came out of the cinema, I was disappointed, despondent and incredibly frustrated. Tell me something, is that how you’re supposed to feel coming out of a Superman film? Frankly, I’d be surprised if the answer was yes. But that be fair to the strengths of the film. It’s just that I came in with high expectations. The trailers lulled me into thinking this would be an epic film. And I was sorely let down as a Superman fan. This character means the world to me and I don’t entirely like this interpretation of him. It’s a decent film though but it’s far from a good film, let alone a great or phenomenal film. Whilst there is potential for improvement, the flaws in this film are crippling and it would be a tough job to fix them so that I would be more pleased with the sequel.

Final Score: 4/10 (Yes I know that's a low score but I was tempted to go lower you know.)

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@lvenger I want you to read this one page of this article:

http://whatculture.com/comics/10-things-everyone-always-gets-wrong-superman.php/4

It's a great summary of what I have been talking about while defending Man of Steel.

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I don't think I stated this before, but this was a really well written review. Nice job.

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@lvenger Congratulations mate, you may have the most debated/heated/longlived review on the site :P

You should post it in the man of steel page of the vine.

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This movie is still a solid 8/10 for me. Is it flawed? Yes. Does it take a dump on Superman's character? No. While a little angsty and dark, this film still captures the core of Supermans character, pre and post 52. Besides, taking dumps on Superman is Scott Snyders job anyways lol

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Great review man. Loved it. And I do agree with some of your points, but not all of them.

Lets start with what shocked you the most... Superman killing Zod. If we look at it from all angles, we see that he actually had little choice in the matter. Remember he no longer had access to the phantom zone, the scout ship was severely damaged, Jor-El for all we know is gone for good seeing that the "key" that held his conciousness AI is gone together with Superman's ship, there's no prison inthe world that could hold Zod, and even if Superman flew Zod away from those people, Zod would still continue to go on destroying everything he could. So Superman had to make the tough choice, but in reality it was the only choice. And Superman not killing code is ambiguous at best. Even in comics, he's fine with destroying a machine based life form or a virus based life form, but if it's an humanoid life form then the code applies. Life is life. Just because it isn't life has one is used to see, its life all the same. So everytime Superman destroys a cybernetic lifeform, he's killing. Everytime Superman destroys a Parademon, he's killing. Everytime Superman kill a virus like lifeform he's killing. There are no gray areas here. Killing is killing. When you smash a fly, a spider, a cockroach, you're killing. Even the steak you had for breakfeast came from some animal that was killed by someone. I condemn cold, senseless killing, but I don't condemn necessary killing. Life is all about that. Kill or be killed. Our ancestors knew that better than anyone.

Lets look at the destruction caused. If you look at the power levels that were in scene, I was actually surprised much more people weren't killed. If all kryptonians had joined the fight, there wouldn't be a stone left standing in Metropolis. The fact that Superman only had to fight against Faora, Non and Zod was plot manipulation at its maximum. You know it and everyone knows it. Not only that, but Superman had the advantage of having all his powers while the others, because of that poorly explained atmosphere change powers go down lunacy, were limited to physical strenght alone. If they had removed their masks from the begining, imagine the destruction. It would have been doomsday. So the destruction level was credible and seeing that Superman had no military combat training, and didn't even know the full extent of his powers, we can cut him a lot of slack.

Has for Jonathan Kent, I was surprised to see that you saw no wrongs in there. Did you missed the part where he was angry at Clark for him having saved all those kids?! I sure didn't missed that part. And that, that my friend isn't Jonathan Kent. Sure he more than Martha is worried about Clark keeping his powers secret, but no other version, either from movies, tv series, or even comics would have been angry because Clark chosed to save people instead of keeping his secret. That scene to me was terrible and till this day everytime I see the movie I skip that part just so it doesn't mess with my vibe. And the way he died, or to be more correct, the way he chose to die, wasn't that beeing selfish. To keep to his moral code or whatever, he let his son watch him die, so Clark would have to live with that decision and guilt for the rest of his life. What kind of father would do that to his son!? And in the end that scene, that decision showed Clark that some decisions, no matter how hard they might be, they have to be made. If they showed Clark letting his father die, when he could have moved so fast that no one would have seen him save his father, but did not just because his father basicaly told him not to, then how can anyone expect him to place Zod's life above anyone else.

These are the main points that I disagree with you. There are others but they are so... insignificant compared to these that I'm not really even going to get into it.

I do agree with your points about, Amy Adams, Diane Lane, Faora, Russel Crowe, Laurence Fishburne, Superman basicaly blowing his identity to anyone with half a brain, the awesome look and feel of Krypton, and the church scene. Linking Superman to any religion goes against all that is Superman. Superman isn't from one nation, one religion, alone, he's the light that shows the way to everyone. Superman shines his light on humanity and not some specific group.

Lana... well, Lana was nonexistent. So I don't think anything about her presence in the movie.

All in all, Man Of Steel gets a 3 out of 5, in my scale. Being 1=tragic, 2=poor, 3=good, 4=excelent, 5=unmissable.

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@squalleon: TBH I don't know whether that's a good thing or not. Ah well we'll see what kind of reception my BvS:DoJ review will get. I'll probably go dark for a few days just to write it.

@buttersdaman000 said:

This movie is still a solid 8/10 for me. Is it flawed? Yes. Does it take a dump on Superman's character? No. While a little angsty and dark, this film still captures the core of Supermans character, pre and post 52. Besides, taking dumps on Superman is Scott Snyders job anyways lol

Feel free to explain where that core is because to me, that core was butchered, desecrated and left rotting in the streets like a wounded animal waiting to be put out of its misery. And that's how I feel whenever I watch, hear or sometimes even think about MOS; miserable. It's not the worst film ever but what it does to my favourite fictional character is completely unforgivable in my book. Angsty and dark are also not components of Superman either.

Oh and Snyder only screwed up at the end of Unchained with a disappointing finale. The rest was completely solid and engaging storytelling ruined by an absurd ending.

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@lvenger said:

@buttersdaman000 said:

This movie is still a solid 8/10 for me. Is it flawed? Yes. Does it take a dump on Superman's character? No. While a little angsty and dark, this film still captures the core of Supermans character, pre and post 52. Besides, taking dumps on Superman is Scott Snyders job anyways lol

Feel free to explain where that core is because to me, that core was butchered, desecrated and left rotting in the streets like a wounded animal waiting to be put out of its misery. And that's how I feel whenever I watch, hear or sometimes even think about MOS; miserable. It's not the worst film ever but what it does to my favourite fictional character is completely unforgivable in my book. Angsty and dark are also not components of Superman either.

Oh and Snyder only screwed up at the end of Unchained with a disappointing finale. The rest was completely solid and engaging storytelling ruined by an absurd ending.

Nah....you're too intense for me right now man lol

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@buttersdaman000: Wait you think this is intense? Trust me, you haven't seen me at my most intense when it comes to MOS. Besides, I was more intense the other day when I was stressing out from university work and vented that on the Vine. Hence why I've been inactive.

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@buttersdaman000: Wait you think this is intense? Trust me, you haven't seen me at my most intense when it comes to MOS. Besides, I was more intense the other day when I was stressing out from university work and vented that on the Vine. Hence why I've been inactive.

No, you're too intense for me right now. I've seen you at your most intense. I don't feel like debating that right now tbh.

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@buttersdaman000: OK no problem that's fine. I can get like that on MOS.

It's all good. Maybe some other day lol

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I pretty much had the same feeling after watching MOS as it was one of the biggest disappointments of last year because the trailer for MOS was one of the best I've seen.

The film was just a hot mess with a story that was non-linear (cuz like Nolan did it) with flashbacks that served no purpose other than to ironically DISCOURAGE Clark from becoming Superman, an environment and climax that goes against the theme the creative team was trying to push out there, dull and uninteresting characters including one of the most bland superheroes I've seen in a movie, a loud musical score that went against the themes of the movie and many times was overbearing and a third act that is incredibly overindulgent with a climax that wasn't properly set up and followed through therefore making the scene completely miss its mark.

I guarantee that 10 years from now, very few people will have this film in a top 10 of anything other than biggest disappointments.

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Totally agree with everything especially the score and superman killing is wrong bit (this isn't even a superman movie anymore and killing wasn't his only choice)

Don't agree with the religion part as I believe that is how superman shows his humanity.

And I sure as hell don't agree that chriatian bale was worse at batman then henry cavill's superman. There has never been a more perfect Batman/Bruce.

For me henry was my least fav superman mainly because his looks kinda missed that heroic supes mark. But I will say his acting was awesome and it was the script that held him back.

But I'll be rooting for Ben Affelick in the upcoming Bats v Supes

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Loved MOS nothing will change that and I know in not alone on that

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A super hero no matter how bad the situation no matter how bad he feels will always make the right decision no matter what as this is the definition of a super hero because THIS is what puts them above villains and killers and makes them different.

When superman killed it made me think that now he is an alien menace who can kill and can snap anytime and needs to be put down. Even if he did it for good reasons he has shown he can kill and if u kill once there is no predicting the next. And he has too much power so he NEEDS to show restraint. Plus in true superman style he should have captured and reasoned with zod as zod was justified in a twisted fashion as he wanted to ensure his species survival. Superman killing him doesen't make him better but equal to zod as even zod was willing to kill to save his people just like superman killed to save humans. This makes them both evil and the movie becomes a sci fi battle of races rather than a super hero movie. And the killing scene oddly looks like a rip off from some world war 2 film.

There was a time when superman was a guy who could do anything but the movie shattered that belief. I always thought that I could count on Batman Superman and Spiderman to be the last few true heroe but MOS just crushed that without blinking. Supes was my childhood hero but now I question who was that and who is this?!

And to be honest he had a whole 10 page list of choices of how to stop zod at THAT SCENE. Many of these choices used the powers that the movie had established and he was already adept at.

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@alieninja: Batman killed in Batman Begins and no I don't think Superman had any other choices but that's just me

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@stelios23: He didn't kill directly, but he did second handedly kill, which is something he would never do, he is more likely to punch a gun out of jokers hand while he is trying to suicide ( which he did ) then to let people die. Yet no one cared about that, but everyone is pissing their pants about superman killing Zod, which he did in the previous movies & in the comics.

Also, as different as my opinion is, this is a greatly done review, but how the freak is it still being discussed over a year and a half later?

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@2cool4fun: It's Man of Steel mate, it's going to get discussed fervently for another few years to come. At least until BvS:DoJ is released.

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@2cool4fun: I know he didn't but I just had to point it out to next dude cause of the mini rant

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it is funny how everybody will pee their pants cause Superman killed(and was clearly distressed over that fact), but when Batman does it and even says "I watched him die" nobody even blinks

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- On Ayelet Zurer playing a forgettable Lara:
Lara's role is, by definition, forgettable. Only recently in the New 52 has DC given her more prominence, first with Morrison making a point of letting readers know that she built the rocket ship with her husband and giving her agency during the last moments of Krypton, and then with Lobdell's more recent "grrrl power" Lara. Besides, Zurer played a nice, mournful but steadfast role, which suited its purpose perfectly.

- On there being no lightness and friendliness to this Superman:
I believe that's a false impression brought about by expectations based upon previous movies. Henry smiles. He smiles quite a bit, actually, even in face of all the life-changing revelations he becomes privy to during the course of the movie. Not the cheesy, goofball wink-at-the-camera type of friendly neighbourhood Superman, but a friendly alien who lives among us, has grown like one of us and chooses to use his powers to protect us because of his good nature and how he was raised. That is the "actual believable nature of Superman" you allude to.

- On Superman having been instilled with one of fiction's strongest ethical compasses by his parents and automatically knowing what to do, and therefore he will never kill:
There's two problems with this. First, Superman's parents were salt of the earth, god-fearing midwestern farmers, so you can't expect your morality to fit with theirs unless you happen to share those traits, let alone somehow demand that a wet behind the ears, inexperienced Superman apply those morals to the type of world-shattering events and ultra-powerful uncompromising foes he is confronted with. Those are two very distinct moral spheres, and it's naive to presume otherwise. This isn't your battle-worn, experienced Superman who's seen it all and done most of it, and still he did the right thing (stop the threat) with what means he had available. It was a costly decision - a fact the film makes abundantly clear with his reaction - but a decision that had to be made, and it would have been cowardly not to do so in obeisance to this nebulous notion that not killing is somehow part of Superman's character, when in reality it's just a consequence of his powers and abilities. He can afford not to kill in 99% of the cases, thanks to his myriad abilities, and killing is always a last resort for him, but Superman should absolutely have the fortitude to make the ultimate decision in that 1% of cases. You think Jonathan Kent would hesitate to kill an attacker to protect his family, or that he never shot down a mad dog, or that he didn't butcher animals for food? Superman wasn't raised in a buddhist monastery, and you can't even resort to the sixth Commandment, as it is "thou shalt not murder", which is a far cry from "kill", i.e., a prohibiton against unlawful killing, which allows for justified killing in the context of warfare, capital punishment and self-defense.

- On Superman having outgrown his religious parallelisms, which are detrimental to him:
Blatantly untrue. They were always there and always will be there, and have done nothing detrimental to his popularity except among the cultural marxist or teenage atheist demographics. I will, however, agree with you that some writers and filmmakers can be a little too on the nose about it.

- On Clark and Lois' competitive relationship being no longer an option:
Not necessarily a bad thing, since we've already had over 50 years of that. Time to try a different dynamic.

- On Superman no longer being able to claim the title of protector of humanity, since his battle with the phantom zoners caused a lot of destruction:
This is an infantile standard Superman is held up to, owing to years of comics' largely sanitized portrayal of superpowered battles that always glossed over the inevitable collateral destruction that ensues when individuals of such power levels duke it out. And, again, this was an inexperienced Superman, these were his first enemies, and they had his power levels, so it's not like he could ease into the role. It was never going to be a clean affair, and today's audiences know that and would have rolled their eyes at anything else. And the battlefield removal argument always fails to take into account one thing: The enemy's agency. In this case, Zod, who was dead-set to causing death and destruction, to not only kill Superman but punish him by killing those whom he tried to protect.

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@self-dceit: I might get around to answering your points, I might not. I've done this dance too many times, said my piece on countless occasions and rebutted all the best defensive points for Man of Steel that its diehard supporters have to offer. Suffice to say, I disagree strongly with your attempts to demean my fair and critical review of a very poor interpretation of Superman. A hero I've long been into and admired for reasons and character traits that were not present in this film. Not to mention I know quite a lot about the character making several of your points wholly unfounded. I'm not known as one of MOS' most ardent critics for nothing.

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@lvenger: No skin off my back if you reply or don't. I get that you might be prickly after all the criticism you've been under in this thread (congrats on its longevity, by the way), but your words aren't gospel, no matter how much emotional gravitas you attach to them, or how many times you say how you're invested into (your interpretation of) the character.

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@self-dceit: Unfortunately I can be prickly in my responses but this is a passionate topic for me so I tend to give less of a quarter in my replies.

And why are you mistakingly thinking I'm trying to preach my word as gospel? I never made any claims of that. This is wholly my opinion, my interpretation and my criticisms, which just so happened to be shared by a very large number of people who also disliked Man of Steel too. I'm afraid that the combined emotional gravitas and specific interpretation of the anti MOS camp I fall into holds a lot more weight than you're giving credit too. There is a lot wrong with this film and as fans and consumers of such fictional material, we have the right to express our support or criticisms of it as freely as we please. And that's what's been done across the Internet with a plethora of MOS reviews written similarly like mine which bemoan how Snyder and Goyer have interpreted Superman. And they work far better than your defense of MOS does I'm afraid.

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You're trying to pass off your words as gospel because that's the vibe that permeates your every post here, as well as your argumentum ad populum above, never mind your saying you want to expose people to some "hard truths" that apparently went over their heads. Yet you haven't made a single strong case (not one that would preclude any further discussion at least) when arguing others' rebuttals of your points in this thread, despite all your figurative chest-beating and constant self-aggrandizement as a reputed "anti-MoS" guy around these parts. All you've done is make a post that wasn't universally accepted, much like MoS wasn't, and like most things aren't, so no need to pull out the freedom of speech card. You're as free to express criticism as others are to disagree with it.

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yeah, I agree, marvel movies are better. Snyder is not very good with story telling.

edit - Anyone remember this stupid scene? I mean Goyer did not really know anything about Superman.

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I finally got to watch a Superman movie about kicking ass that I asked for in man of steel, and one that made Lois Lane less vile, even though I like Diana and Clark now in comics, and watched Superman do the right thing by killing the bad guy rather than let him keep on killing.

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Live action Lois has never been "vile" to my knowledge.

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@farkam: Margot Kidder was an a-hole in Superman 1 and 2. Kate Bosworth was annoying and absurd in Superman Returns. Erica Durance and Amy Adams incorporated elements of Lana Lang from comics, and became less vile. Lois Lane in Kirk Alyn tried to bait Clark Kent into getting arrested in the old movie serials from the 1940s. most recent live action Lois Lanes were better than the Lois Lane from comics.

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@farkam: Margot Kidder was an a-hole in Superman 1 and 2. Kate Bosworth was annoying and absurd in Superman Returns. Erica Durance and Amy Adams incorporated elements of Lana Lang from comics, and became less vile. Lois Lane in Kirk Alyn tried to bait Clark Kent into getting arrested in the old movie serials from the 1940s. most recent live action Lois Lanes were better than the Lois Lane from comics.

How?

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Man, 2 years and 4 months....time does fly.

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@farkam: Tried to prank him, drug him, get him pissed off. But it got funny even though Lois Lane was an asshole in Kirk Alyn because all those plans failed and Clark turned out to be Mr. Goody Two Shoes no matter how much Lois Lane tried to screw him. So while she was vile then, it was funny how Clark Kent would not take a hint that she didn't like him, and wouldn't lose his temper, because well, he's actually Superman and those kinds of things don't hurt him. Anyways, Kirk Alyn serials were cheesy as hell.

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Rereading many of my comments on different threads about MOS make me realise that I was blinded by what I like to call superman-movie withdrawal effects. I wanted MOS to be the better film than what it was but know... all I feel when watching the film is... disappointment and almost contempt for the film makers. Don't get me wrong at all, Henry Cavil was a fantastic Superman and I agree 100% with @lvenger's point that he embodied both respect and humility. He had a perfect tone. But he wasn't allowed to use any of his acting ability because he had about 3 lines in the whole damn film. There was so much that could've been done better in this first outing that it makes me apathetic for any more films. Superman won't be the main character in the next film. He'll be shunted out and replaced. We won't get a sequel for another 5 years at which point someone else will try to pick up the pieces and craft a new film. Maybe another reboot but this time following something idiotic like the "Truth" storyline. I actually finally understand Mark Waid's outburst when he saw the film. If I didn't have my blinders on I probably would've done the same.

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Rereading many of my comments on different threads about MOS make me realise that I was blinded by what I like to call superman-movie withdrawal effects. I wanted MOS to be the better film than what it was but know... all I feel when watching the film is... disappointment and almost contempt for the film makers. Don't get me wrong at all, Henry Cavil was a fantastic Superman and I agree 100% with @lvenger's point that he embodied both respect and humility. He had a perfect tone. But he wasn't allowed to use any of his acting ability because he had about 3 lines in the whole damn film. There was so much that could've been done better in this first outing that it makes me apathetic for any more films. Superman won't be the main character in the next film. He'll be shunted out and replaced. We won't get a sequel for another 5 years at which point someone else will try to pick up the pieces and craft a new film. Maybe another reboot but this time following something idiotic like the "Truth" storyline. I actually finally understand Mark Waid's outburst when he saw the film. If I didn't have my blinders on I probably would've done the same.

Yes,yes....another one brainwashed. @lvenger Everything is going according to plan.

BTW

I actually had the same problem with Soldier. The first time I saw the film I was like "it was okay, a bit boring, but okay". When I rewatched it, I understood how bad the film was.

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Nolan films were great

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@squalleon: Praise be! I have seen the light. Kinda.

And are we talking about Soldier with Kurt Russell. Cause, I... I loved that film.

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@squalleon: Praise be! I have seen the light. Kinda.

And are we talking about Soldier with Kurt Russell. Cause, I... I loved that film.

Ah, no my bad, when you posted I was about to change it "I had the same problem with MoS like SoldierofEl." I meant to say. I called you Soldier to condense the name a bit. Like how Lvenger calls me Squall.

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@squalleon: Ah I see. Forgive me, I like the nickname. My brain sometimes becomes a encyclopaedia when random film titles are thrown about. I can see why Lvenger calls you Squall. The shortenings do work well. I haven't called it him yet but I sometimes refer to Lvenger as Lvengy.

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@squalleon: Ah I see. Forgive me, I like the nickname. My brain sometimes becomes a encyclopaedia when random film titles are thrown about. I can see why Lvenger calls you Squall. The shortenings do work well. I haven't called it him yet but I sometimes refer to Lvenger as Lvengy.

I think his nickname is pretty short as it is, so I haven't thought of a nick. I did write his nickname in Greek characters by mistake once :P

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@farkam: Tried to prank him, drug him, get him pissed off. But it got funny even though Lois Lane was an asshole in Kirk Alyn because all those plans failed and Clark turned out to be Mr. Goody Two Shoes no matter how much Lois Lane tried to screw him. So while she was vile then, it was funny how Clark Kent would not take a hint that she didn't like him, and wouldn't lose his temper, because well, he's actually Superman and those kinds of things don't hurt him. Anyways, Kirk Alyn serials were cheesy as hell.

What are you talking about? I asked about Margot Kidder Lois Lane.

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@soldierofel said:

@squalleon: Ah I see. Forgive me, I like the nickname. My brain sometimes becomes a encyclopaedia when random film titles are thrown about. I can see why Lvenger calls you Squall. The shortenings do work well. I haven't called it him yet but I sometimes refer to Lvenger as Lvengy.

I think his nickname is pretty short as it is, so I haven't thought of a nick. I did write his nickname in Greek characters by mistake once :P

Ha, it happens. I once typed an entire paragraph on my phone in numbers. I didn't realise until I almost hit send.

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@soldierofel said:

@squalleon: Ah I see. Forgive me, I like the nickname. My brain sometimes becomes a encyclopaedia when random film titles are thrown about. I can see why Lvenger calls you Squall. The shortenings do work well. I haven't called it him yet but I sometimes refer to Lvenger as Lvengy.

Well you just did so you've broken the trend on that one my friend :P

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@lvenger: That's true. Henceforth, you shall be known as Lvengy!

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Hated how they made him to moral to save his own father from a tornado but he wasn't too moral to snap Zod's weak neck. (No neck resistance feats.)

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@farkam: Lois Lane pointed a gun at Superman and threatened to reveal to everyone his secret identity, although I have to admit that was the Donner Cut. In the Lester version, she threatened to jump off Niagara Falls until a little kid got close to the edge. Then again, in the Lester version, a lot of it was Superman not being bright either.

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Hated how they made him to moral to save his own father from a tornado but he wasn't too moral to snap Zod's weak neck. (No neck resistance feats.)

His fathers death was handled so poorly.

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The films portrayal of superman is in keeping with the original 1938 superman, he was no boyscout! He would kill on occasion, and trash property. I enjoyed man of steel, it's incredibly human. We have a very lost, lonely clark kent trying to find his place in the world. I also liked amy adams portrayal of lois lane, she was very intelligent, tracking down kent and I love the films ending where she shakes Clarks hand, being fully aware he is superman.

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@winters: I hate the idea of Super powered beings somehow need to be perfect. I get entertained by them because they are still human inside.