Killing Dick is very unlikely. Knocking him out of commission for a while isn't, essp. with Babs batgirling again. Plus, we've all be waiting for the Red Robin book to finally drop (DC, hurry up, geez). What if they replace one Robin with the other, and Dick just acts as a supporting character for a while?
One word: NO.
Teen Titans is Tim's book, in the same was Red Hood and the Outlaws is basically Jason's book.
For the most part, Batman's continuity hasn't been changed all that much. Same for Green Lantern.
umm tim was never robin thats quite a big change
The whole Tim thing is confusing to say the least. Technically he WAS and IS a Robin and he was most definitely trained by Bruce, he never served as Batman's Robin but was nonetheless a Robin of sorts. Tim not being Robin alongside Bruce is mainly down to the compressed timeline. Pre-flashpoint there were years between Jason's death and Tim discovering Nightwing and Batman's true identities and then attempting to become Robin, and even then Bruce was less than enthusiastic about the idea of another Robin after what happened to Jason. With the compressed timeline you'd be talking about a matter of months elapsing between Jason's death and Tim coming onto the scene, no way would Bruce let anyone else become a Robin so soon after Jason died. No doubt the Red Robin persona was partly thought up by Bruce as a means of allowing Tim to fight crime but not alongside Batman.
This basically sums up what I love about Dick. At times its great to marvel at Bruce's prep-feats and the like but it becomes tedious when he has plans for 99.9% of eventualities. I find it far more entertaining to read stories involving Dick Grayson because there is always a sense of the unknown, you never really know what will happen with him. Granted that at times it might lead him into some nasty, and ultimately avoidable (with decent enough planning), situations but it'd be boring if everything went according to plan wouldn't it?
You're absolutely correct on that end. Batman has an adjustment for any setback. He's an amazing specimen of a man when measured up to the standards of the Justice League, a group who's members are virtually gods. You already get a feeling that a guy who can 'hang' with planet busters is going to kick serious ass when push comes to shove in Gotham. Maybe that's why I prefer Grayson. It's almost like If you've read one Batman story, you've read them all. Nightwing's endeavors meanwhile, bring a feeling of uncertainty because he's so much the dark horse in big events and people don't really know what he brings to the table. He's not as proven. They're both world-beaters but asking which hero benefits mankind for the better will always be a curious conundrum.
Agreed. All things considered it often takes something really special for any guys like Two-Face or Penguin to really even trouble Batman, whereas with Dick you know that there will be some twists along the way that make for an interesting read.
Bruce brings a lot to the table in terms of how prepared he is for any eventuality,but ultimately if he tells you to jump you'd likely feel inclined to tell him to "f*ck off". Whereas if Dick were to ask you the same question your response would be "how high?" Dick isn't as skilled (in overall terms) or as prepped as Bruce but when sh*t hits the fan you know he's got your back because he's far more trustworthy and more trusting of others. Where Bruce is so concealed within himself it becomes hard for anyone to trust him and in dire situations it wouldn't be hard for people to feel at least a little uneasy with him around.
@LuigiBat: What's worse, he's actually an olympic level gymnast now so he legitimately has a case for replacing NW should Dick die. Mary Sue'in to the fullest in Teen Titans 0 bro.
Yeah I heard about what Lobdell was planning but given his propensity for saying one thing and then backtracking and doing something else I was holding out some hope that he wouldn't further the whole Mary Sue thing. Pre-Flashpoint Tim was definitely a Mary Sue but he was sorta likeable, now he's an even bigger Mary Sue than before and an utter assh*le to boot.
Being an olympic level gymnast doesn't really give a great reason to make him NW though, pre-Flashpoint Tim was a great gymnast and likely olympic level too but that didn't make him any better or even on par with Dick when it came to gymnastics and the like. If you were to put both Dick and Tim in an Olympic competition I'd feel confident in saying that Dick would get gold by a considerable margin whilst Tim would get a silver at best. Reason being is that Dick has natural talent and a lifetime of practise, the guy was probably born doing a backflip, whereas Tim probably doesn't have quite as much natural talent and certainly not as much practise given how he's supposedly at olympic level in a variety of sports (what are the chances of him being best in the world at all of them?) and would have to practise a wider variety of disciplines whilst also receiving an education. Gymnastics/acrobatics was Dick's life up until he was 16 and from then on he began to mix his natural skill and years of practise with training from Bruce.
The very idea of Tim replacing Dick as Nightwing makes me want to vomit. Pre-flashpoint I always thought Tim was written as being too 'perfect' and was a bit of a 'Mary Sue' (Wikipedia the term if you want a detailed explanation) but ultimately came across as fairly likeable. In the New 52 he's still being written as a 'Mary Sue' (note this is from all I've glimpsed of him having not read much of Teen Titans) whilst also appearing to be a stuck-up little brat. I'd actually say Damian is more likeable than Tim in the New 52. If Tim were to become Nightwing I'd stop reading comics altogether.
If that is the route they go down I will be very, very angry. However, Batman Beyond Unlimited is within the same universe as TAS, the very same universe where Bruce is so single-minded that he pushes everyone away in pursuit of his mission. Whereas in the current universe we know Bruce has a lot of strong (no homo) feelings towards Dick. One of the main aspects of that Batman Beyond Unlimited arc was how Bruce was so adamant he hadn't done anything wrong that he wouldn't even apologise to Dick, would that happen with this current Batman? I kinda doubt it.
I suppose it'd be interesting (perhaps in an elseworlds arc) to see what would happen if Dick died as a direct result of Bruce's actions, lets say Bruce's single-mindedness caused him to put Dick in a situation where he would've died no matter what. If the rest of the family knew what Bruce had done they would all turn their back's on him, except maybe Tim because he'd probably see it as an opportunity to be Bruce's main man again (p.s I'm joking), I could even see Damian trying to kill him for it initially. Damian would probably consider doing something 'Red-Hood-ish' initially, no doubt he'd speak to Jason on the matter before coming to the conclusion that the best way to avenge his former mentor and brother would be to take up his mantle and seek to usurp Batman without use of excessive violence.
Spoke to a reviewer of comics earlier, he said he doesn't think anyone will die in the arc (said Alfred was most likely to die or at least lose a limb). He said he could imagine them maiming Dick though, which would undoubtedly lead to him getting the Oracle role and would probably result in closeness between him and Babs (who else would be able to aid his recovery best?).
Higgin's latest tweet on DOTF: " Just turned in letters for one of the creepiest, most haunting, tragic scenes I've written. Shiver. #WingsinTrouble" He better be bluffing or he's gonna be in for a lot of trouble.
To which he responded "Actually it IS simple, so simple it only takes 2lines of a script :)".
At this stage I think he's simply enjoying having fans tweet him about Dick Grayson possibly dying,seen a few people rant at him about it, he's gotta be toying with us and leading people on whenever he thinks he can get away with it.
This guy is an absolute tool. If it actually does happen now after a tweet like that he deserves to be fired and removed form the comic industry entirely.
I think Kyle knows that if he does actually kill Dick he's gonna be in for one hell of a backlash from fans and he'll lose a lot of popularity as a writer. Thats why I think he's bluffing and just f**king around with us, he's enjoying the attention and he's being controversial whenever possible to maintain that attention.
NOTE THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR NIGHTWING ISSUE 0
In Nightwing 0 Dick goes out to help Batman against Lady Shiva, his first ever outing as Robin. Shiva comments that Dick has immense potential and that Batman chose his protege wisely. But she then says that Dick chose his partner poorly, stating that she sees far more for Dick "beyond his shadow".
99% of the time when people say Dick can't surpass Bruce they are referring to pre-Flashpoint incarnations of the characters in question. Who are we to say that in the new universe Dick won't go on to surpass Bruce at some point? Afterall, he only started training to be Robin aged 16, is currently 21 (or would he be 22 now given he was 21 at the start of the New 52?) and just come off a year as Batman, so he technically donned the cowl aged 20 and evidently did a good job (he'd be dead otherwise). Now if Dick can survive as Batman for a year aged 20 and having only begun to train aged 16 then it seems logical that he would be able to surpass Bruce in the future.
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