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#1 Posted by LuigiBat (225 posts) - - Show Bio

If this were to ever happen I can imagine DC getting Nightwing to lead the people who were part of 'his' Titans group pre-flashpoint, who we know he knew in the New 52 but never formed any team with them, just as a way of keeping fans happy.

#2 Posted by LuigiBat (225 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with what both and have been saying.

For me if Dick is gonna be on the JLA it has to be at the expense of Bruce, yeah Dick isn't the calculating, ever-prepared control freak that Bruce is, but readers who don't really know the character (lets say someone who sticks to Superman, Green Lantern comics and reads JLA to see more of their favourite character) will still see Dick as being a carbon copy of Bruce. I really don't think Dick being on the JLA would do anything good for the character unless he's there as Bruce's replacement, and if anything I think JLA membership is little more than an official statement that a character is 'in the big leagues' as it were. Dick (and others) doesn't have to be in the JLA to be held in the same regard as the likes of Superman, Wonder Woman etc, its down to how he's written and the sort of villains he's allowed to tackle. As I've said before now, the pre-Flashpoint Nightwing run would show Nightwing struggling against guys who'd be dealt with in a couple of panels in a Batman title. The only really major villain who'd also give Bruce trouble, Deathstroke, was repeatedly shown as getting the better of Dick and it felt like DC was doing so purposely just to prove that Dick would never reach the same level as Bruce.

#3 Posted by LuigiBat (225 posts) - - Show Bio

@Darkmaster006 said:

@LuigiBat: You know, I don't think that Jason only lasted two months, Jason was good as Robin, he died, yeah, but he was'nt bad. And he deserves the same time as Dick. And, obviously Tim had a lot of train, but he needs experience and if you think, to fight with a lot of criminals with guns and weapons only a athletic training is not enough, maybe he'll have a advanced knowledge of the theme, but he needed train.

Jason was a good Robin pre flashpoint but still ultimately allowed his emotions to lead him into danger which got him killed. Not saying he was a terrible Robin in the New 52 but as points out, the kid ignored everything Bruce taught him and got himself blown up, frankly I think allowing him 6 months of training (seems the standard amount for each of them, remember its gonna be round the clock training) and 2 months of being Robin was quite generous.

On Tim, from all I can gather the kid was some kind of MMA, Karate, Judo, Taikwondo (name any martial art under the sun) champion as well as an olympic gymnastic, swimming, weightlifting, sprinting, marathon, decathlon, heptathlon, triathlon and cycling champion. Note that I'm not sure all of that list is 100% accurate, though I'm sure most of it is given how much of a 'Mary Sue' Tim is.Anyway my point is that Tim was supposedly this God-child with plenty of training beforehand, really for him he'd have had minimal time adding to his skills with Bruce as the main issue would've been getting him to apply them to criminals.

#4 Posted by LuigiBat (225 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:

Agreed. What sane man willingly opens himself up to that many death threats?

Just been thinking about this, it strikes me that Higgins is really something of an amateur. Nightwing is really his first big break, not sure what he's done before now but I wouldn't be surprised if it was mainly fan-fiction stuff. He seems to be overly excited and enthused about the power he's allowed to wield over the character, at least thats what I sense from all his twitter postings. Snyder seems very good at dropping hints and other things to create suspense and I imagine that Higgins is trying to follow suit but being a noob he's not being overly controversial (as shown by things he's said) or just an idiot at times.

#5 Posted by LuigiBat (225 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin said:

@wessaari: I guess we know what Kyle meant when he said "Nightwing doesn't HAVE to be Dick Grayson right?".. indeed.

That image opens up a whole new can of worms though. I mean, is Kyle gonna write an entire issue where Joker is masquerading as Nightwing but only reveal it right near the end of the issue?

#6 Posted by LuigiBat (225 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:

The writer. That's what it comes down to, and I personally do not have faith in the DC Comics industry to bring on a writer, have him place Batman and Nightwing on the same team, and writer each character as they should be written. I agree with you it could work, but it would take a massive amount of skill and a lack of any bias whatsoever. I completely agree. Even if we account for the loss of experience he's done Bruce's job for a year with a massive amount of success. Him going back to anywhere save an equal position to Bruce makes no sense.

To be honest Dick being able to don the cowl for a year with such a small amount of experience and at such a young age to me entails that in the long term he will surpass Bruce without too much issue. Look at how much training Bruce went through, then compare to the amount Dick went through before taking on the cowl, obviously you can just take it as another sign of how messed up the New 52 is but equally it could also show that in the long term Dick will surpass Bruce as his rate of growth seems to be faster than Bruce's.

#7 Posted by LuigiBat (225 posts) - - Show Bio

@PsychoKnights said:

(sigh) As far as I can tell, his recent characterization has just been another aspect of the DCNU. It makes sense really. If he had only had five years of experience as a hero, then he should not be nearly as skilled as he was pre-reboot when he had more like fourteen years. It only makes sense for Dick to be less skilled.

Of course, I'm all for repealing the reboot myself. Most of their successes in the New 52 had nothing to do with the reboot anyway.

The trouble is, whilst Dick has less experience as a hero (only in his 5th year at the start of the New 52, aged 21), he has already survived as Batman for a year whilst Bruce was 'dead'. He basically became Batman in Year 4 of the timeline, this would mean that he had 3 years prior experience, this in itself should probably be viewed as 2.5 years experience due to the couple of months where Bruce didn't train him initially after his parent's died. Now whilst this does just show what a clusterf**k the New 52 timeline is, its equally worth looking at this from another perspective. Surely its a mark of Dick's skill that he was able to fill Bruce's position for a year at a very young age and with effectively 2.5 years of training/experience behind him? If anything you might argue that in some respects Dick is more skilled now than he was pre-reboot.

As I've said before now. DC no longer has a legitimate reason to hold Dick down and make him a second rate character like they did before Bruce 'died' pre-flashpoint, the various comics pre-flashpoint which featured Dick as Batman were all well received and successful so its not like they can say that they'd see a downturn in sales if they were to have Dick replace Bruce again. I don't think it's any coincidence that the best stories we've seen, which have Dick as a central character, have been done by A-list writers such as Morrison, Snyder and Dixon (note that whilst Higgins is good, he won't be regarded as such if he kills Dick, he's probably upper B-list at best). Give a really good/great writer the chance to write Dick Grayson and they'll produce something memorable every time. Interestingly enough of the three A-list writers I mentioned two of them only wrote Dick whilst he was Batman (they'd never have been asked to write him as Nightwing) and Dixon's run on Nightwing conveniently ended before it got too good.

#8 Posted by LuigiBat (225 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg said:

Which Robin?

I echo this post.

Each Robin would require a very different actor to fill the role.

#9 Posted by LuigiBat (225 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nightwingdg said:

In terms of Nightwing's romantic relationship entertainment value. Nightwing and Lady Shiva > Nightwing and Starfire > Nightwing and Batgirl.

Could Nightwing and Lady Shiva > Batman and Catwoman?

Nightwing and this new younger Lady Shiva can be a hell of a lot more entertaining than Batman and Catwoman. Bruce and Selina is only occasionally amusing (imo) when Bruce seems to be utterly clueless as to how to maintain his focus on his mission whilst keeping a relationship with Selina. Dick and Shiva would have far more banter between the two of them and we know Dick wouldn't shy away from holding down his commitments as Nightwing and maintaining a relationship.

#10 Posted by LuigiBat (225 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nightwingdg said:

In terms of Nightwing's romantic relationship entertainment value. Nightwing and Lady Shiva > Nightwing and Starfire > Nightwing and Batgirl.

Could Nightwing and Lady Shiva > Batman and Catwoman?

Nightwing and this new younger Lady Shiva can be a hell of a lot more entertaining than Batman and Catwoman. Bruce and Selina is only occasionally amusing (imo) when Bruce seems to be utterly clueless as to how to maintain his focus on his mission whilst keeping a relationship with Selina. Dick and Shiva would have far more banter between the two of them and we know Dick wouldn't shy away from holding down his commitments as Nightwing and maintaining a relationship.