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#1 Edited by ltbrd (562 posts) - - Show Bio

i think they could connect this show to Arrow and Flash and expand that universe nicely and created a good Earth-2 feel with the characters used. as for how to do her, would go with this being a world where Kara, not Kal-El, is the last survivor of Krypton and as a baby sent to Earth (basically making Kal-El the older cousin if there are ever Krypton flashbacks) and grew up as Linda Danvers. Would first have her appear in a Flash guest appearance in an episode where she's a high school senior from Leesburg in Central City on a field trip. She gets drawn into a conflict and has to openly use her powers for the first time (the conflict should be alien in origin and reveal her own origin that the Danvers never revealed). This leads to a conversation with Barry that sets her on the path to being a public hero in her own series. That kicks off as she starts freshman year at Metropolis University and her actions earn her the name Supergirl.

as for a costume, i think live action has proved the usual leg-less look is a bit silly (at least in my opinion) and i'd prefer they use her outfit from the Smallville Season 11 comic series. Not revealing but i think a cool, different look that fits better with the Arrow/Flash universe.

#2 Posted by ltbrd (562 posts) - - Show Bio

If wizards are so powerful then why do they hide from muggles?

well that's the weird part in an of itself...the explanation for the statute was a combination of persecution and distrust yet there is nothing to suggest witches and wizards actually fought back against muggles leading up to the new law. the way it reads the wizarding community seemed to have taken a pacifistic stance to any conflict with muggles and as a result just as many were killed as those that escaped.

this would seem to suggest that muggles would win in a war because clearly wizards withdrew from the world because of persecution. yet the way the decision has been explained it seems that wizards didn't even try to fight muggles at this point. more like they became disgusted and broke off from those they once considered neighbors and friends.

this was also a similar period when magical schools were beginning to form and thus could open up another question.....are wizards today more powerful than they were (as a collective) at the time they began hiding? certainly there were individual great witches and wizards and Ron stated Egyptian wizards knew extremely powerful curses but as a whole was the wizarding community weaker then then now because their knowledge wasn't solidified and taught to each generation as a whole whereas before knowledge and spells were probably handed down within families. so the number of spells a single wizard may know today could be far greater than was known then because the wizarding community wasn't a united body as it became following the statute.

basically muggles had better odds against wizards in the past because they were isolated from one another. easier to pick-up a small family than an entire village.

that doesn't apply as much anymore as wizards have spent centuries as a collective, sharing knowledge and growing together, though there is still a division of geography as they have different Ministry for Magics, which only makes sense given the number of countries and backgrounds the wizarding community covers living alongside their muggle counterparts.

#3 Edited by ltbrd (562 posts) - - Show Bio

@draciosv: Dementors can kill muggles just as effectively as witches and wizards. Doesn't matter whether the muggle relives bad memories or not, sucking out a soul is going to put an end to the victim anyways. and exactly where would these cages, ropes or expanding foam be in the middle of a battlefield? How would the soldier know they were in the cage or held by the ropes or been caught in the foam? you mentioned the lack of heat earlier but if the temperature of the entire area has dropped to the point of freezing (such as when Harry's goggles froze over when playing Quidditch or the tunnel he and Dudley gaining a layer of ice) then they'll be hidden by the overall low temperature in the area being observed anyways. The point still comes back around to muggle inability to see or in anyway harm a dementor.

many magical limitations have been clearly delineated in the series, such as the Laws of Conjuration, and the fact that wizards invent spells all the time (as Luna mentioned, her mother invented a number of spells before the one that backfired and killed her and I've already mentioned that Snape invented a number of spells in his youth so spell invention can be dangerous but is more flexible than scientific discovery).

The author is a women by the way and in what article was the shotgun comment made....cause the only time a wizard went up against a muggle with a shotgun in the books was at the beginning of Goblet of Fire and the muggle was killed. granted he didn't fire his gun but there is no example in the book of a gun killing a wizard.

if were going to stop using theoreticals (didn't realize we had started but anyways) and use what the books have shown than the argument comes down to the simple fact that the magical community has existed unknown to the muggle community for centuries, witches and wizards can and have infiltrated high levels of government, Voldemort and his followers tortured and killed numerous muggles at the start and during both dark periods without any reprecussions or hinderance from muggle law enforcement, between the books and movies have destroyed muggle landmarks with ease, and have the experience and practice to fight an asymmetrical war against an opposing force that has no idea of magical capabilities nor any defense against them. could strategies and technologies, potentially, be developed? Yes. but that could be years given the amount of intel combined with trial and error it would take to come up with a measure of protection from magical effects greater than ducking behind cover which may not hold up to a magical assault itself. its a simple matter of the panic and uncertainty that muggles would be facing dealing with a consolidated magical threat.

your idea of nukes and ICBMs is laughable. 1) we don't even use them in real warfare because of their impracticable response to the force they would be used against. 2) they are ineffective weapons against anything but immobile targets. that's why they are city killers not troop killers. 3) the amount of collateral damage and civilian casualties would be enormous. you're assuming battles in open terrain when the greater likelihood is intercity conflicts. you'd never be able to evacuate cities against an enemy that is a part of the population of those cities. the magical community isn't its own country or its own area of the map even. they live within the same population centers as muggles. there are wizard only communities but muggles would first have to figure out what those were and they are far easier to evacuate when the majority of the population can teleport in an instant and those that can't can simply be side teleported.

at the end this would be a battle inside the major population centers of the world which means the option for missiles and bombs is extremely limited, trying to find witches and wizards would be extremely difficult when they aren't engaged in battle, muggle ability to use tanks and other heavy vehicles would be restricted whereas the ability to teleport makes the witch or wizard virtually unhampered, the spells they've already developed for both protection, concealment and misdirection would allow them to create safe hiding areas within the conflict zone not to mention their personal means of concealment and non-detection to move around the conflict zone easier than a clearly recognizable troop of soldiers decked out in gear and weapons. having shown the ability to infiltrate high ranking and seemingly secure positions of government an initial strike against heads of state (even if it they were suicide endeavors like the spell Peter Petigrew used to destroy a city block to avoid capture) would cripple the decision making and unity of those governments armed forces, slowing the response of retaliation as well as intelligence efforts as remaining leaders try to figure out what happened while the magical forces would continue to press attacks on different fronts.

the concept is no different than any gorilla based (asymmetric) style of warfare that has been extremely effective against superior number conventional forces throughout history but with magic thrown into the mix you now give one side a far greater advantage due to the complete lack of knowledge on the other side as the limits and capabilities of the force they're opposing coupled with the extremely proficient means of movement and concealment that the magical community has.

would it be a quick war? absolutely not. there is rarely such a thing as a quick war especially as this could be one taking place all over the world at the same time. but its one that a single, united opponent could pull off far more effectively with the advantages noted than the multitude of forces with no common leadership or strategy that would be opposing them.

not to mention the distrust that would be taking place between the various muggle militaries in the time it would take to figure out just what kind of threat they were facing. i'd guess there would be greater accusations thrown against one another thinking this was an attack from one of them long before they realized they were facing a common enemy.

i'll give you an old school, conventional battle of two opposing sides on a clearly defined battlefield could go the way of muggles.....but that isn't the way we conduct conflicts today let alone what I'd see Voldemort or any leader of the wizarding community push for given their history and proven means of doing things to remain hidden despite open conflict amongst themselves and other magical races.

#4 Posted by ltbrd (562 posts) - - Show Bio

@draciosv: I'm enjoying how you keep coming up with these random measures(bar codes, microchips, DNA scanners) to try and counter something the Muggle world would know nothing about as though there is already intelligence for them to go off of. Your confusing the common wizard with what the wizarding community knows about Muggles as a whole. It has been clearly shown that wizarding leadership, i.e. the Ministry of Magic, knows enough of the Muggle world and its capabilities to know its politics as well as how to infiltrate its leadership. Who cares if they don't know the culture or the manners of the society. They don't need to in order to win.

I'm also getting a kick out of your contradictions.

The only magical creature I see that can be a problem is a dementor and even then, I'd think we theoretically can see them with thermal goggles since they generate immense cold. Just look for the black void devoid of heat. (Thank you space battles.): We've had a lot of battles in space to have perfected that kind of fighting have we? Is this part of your government which can hide anything and nobody knows who the actual leaders are? Of course even if we can see dementors how exactly would a Muggle fight it? A wizard requires the patronous charm as barring that no other spell or physical means can harm it so what difference does seeing the dementor make in a battle? What is the great anti-dementor weapon that Muggles could take advantage of?

I've gone this entire argument assuming a wizard is perfectly capable deflecting a bullet: Really??? so if a wizard is perfectly capable of deflecting a bullet why not ten, twenty, one hundred, one thousand bullets? You say that's an assumption yet betray that assumption by saying a wizard running at a group of soldiers doesn't stand a chance. If they are perfectly capable of deflecting the bullets (or transfiguring them or causing them to collapse on impact with a shield or transfigure the guns, or cause the guns to fly out of the hands of the soldiers, etc....) then who cares whether they run at the soldier or teleport behind them or turn invisible or anything else. A shield doesn't need to be a one-time use spell. Dumbledore cast a transfiguration shield that lasted the entirety of Voldemort's flying glass barrage. The spells Harry and Hermione put over there camp remained for days, the shield over Hogwarts didn't require constant recharging. True, one can't win a wizards duel by maintaining a shield charm alone, at some point the shield must be dropped to deliver an offensive spell. But at the same time the shield can be maintained so long as the wizard is concentrating on it which is something I'd think he'd be doing as the soldiers are shooting.

But magic stays pretty inert: I think you're confused on this. A spell cast at a target is, by its nature, not inert. Even if its only traveling within the witch or wizards line of sight it still has movement and thus range. We haven't even delved into a discussion about the ability to send a curse in the mail or the ability to charm, transform, curse, jinx or hex any object imaginable to a near unlimited number of effects. So not only would we be contending with wizards face to face but we'd also begin questioning if every day objects and materials are even usable. So the range of magical effects is not as limited as you're suggesting.

Since it isn't science, you cannot simply say "welll they can develop this and that." It's magic: Exactly! Its not science, its magic. Its a far more fluid process capable of independent imagination than the hard and fast rules of science. As a teenager Snape developed his own spells, one of which dismembers opponents. So if a magic allows a kid to have that much freedom of creation than how can it ever be argued that adult wizards could not create spell after spell to counter the tools and tactics of Muggles.

What's to say someone can flick his wand and turn every person into well. I only go off what they have shown themselves capable of doing: Again, Exactly! In the blink of an eye and without muttering a word Mad-Eye Moody turned Draco Malfoy into a ferret with no way for Draco to turn himself back into human form. That was against someone magically inclined. What defense does a Muggle have against that. Don't even need to kill your opponent at that point. Just turn them into something that can in no way harm you, like a turtle or a frog, and be done with it.

Your thoughts on physical means of detection are good but again you aren't going far enough in the argument. Yes, these would be means of detecting a wizard trying to walk into a secure building but its not feasible for a battlefield. Also, while stepping on a pressure plate may alert the building occupants to an intruder it does not to stop the intruder from continuing (still can't see the individual) and if the intruder is confronted there is nothing to stop him/her from simply teleporting out and returning to a safe location for another try. Of course with no way to actually stop teleportation into and out of a facility there is not an actual need to walk in and out of the facility anyways since Muggles have no counter to that particular ability.

You are correct that a Muggle military has better training and tactical thinking but you're looking at this from a conventional war stand point. As taboo as this next statement might be you have to look at a confrontation between muggle and magical as asymmetric warfare similar to what we have today of a conventional military conducting operations against terrorist cells. It is an unimaginably harder style of warfare on its own and that's without throwing magic into the mix and you add in the uncertainty of fighting an enemy a conventional force knows nothing about.

#5 Posted by ltbrd (562 posts) - - Show Bio


Wizards would not know who to copy or how to get anywhere near the people to copy in our world: Really??? Cause they seemed to have no problem placing Kingsley as the aide to the Prime Minister of England without anyone noticing. Which means he had to pass a crap ton of security and background checks and in his position had access to every major player in the British government. So if they can do that in one country why exactly could they not do that in another? The entire point of Kingsley being there was so the Prime Minister would not come under Voldemort's control through mind control.

We can just watch important people at all times or give them sensors: Of course the ones watching them could be witches and wizards given my point above.

If they take only the appearance of the person and cant get near him to access info: If a witch or wizard takes the form of a person they'll need a piece of that person so the likely odds are that they have them and thus can extract information from them. Even if we aren't talking mind control Voldemort and his followers have no problem with torture.

Then their screwed. Most of our government you can't see: I'm not really sure which government you think you're referring to because every major leader and player in politics in the world are known, shown on t.v. almost daily, followed by press all the time...should I go on?

You can also do retinal scans and DNA scans. A lot of things are secure: of course polyjuice potion transforms a person completely into another person (side note: why is it that Barty Crouch sounded exactly like Mad Eye and the seven Potters all sounded alike but Harry and Ron didn't sound like Crabbe and Goyle and Hermione didn't sound like Beautrix???? The proficiency of the potion maker possibly???) so why wouldn't that include retinal or fingerprint? Also, there is no device that scans for DNA....that is an extensive lab process that technology doesn't allow to happen by pressing your finger on a pad.

Your spells don't work when someone takes cover: Really? Fiendfyre seemed to do pretty well destroying the entire Room of Requirement. Not much room to hide when you're in the middle of an inferno. No much use cover when a spell can simply blow that cover and the surrounding area apart.

and then shotgun is going to blow them apart faster then they can flip their wand: Considering the fact adult wizards perform the majority of their magic without invocation or the need for much wand movement the spell is cast nearly as fast as the witch or wizard can think which is going to beat the physical act of pulling the trigger on a shotgun or any hand-held weapon for that matter.

Any head to head fight, we'll win easily especially with a soldier having better reflexes, tactics and use of cover rather then mindless charging: Because no witch or wizard has ever used cover in say the cafe fight between Harry, Ron, Hermione and two Death Eaters. Or Harry's team in the Department of Mysteries running from Malfoy's group? Or the battle between Death Eaters and the Order of the Phoenix after that? Or most of the close-in fighting during the Battle of Hogwarts? And of course no soldier or group of soldiers ever charge into a situation.....nope, every soldier is a highly trained SEAL/Delta/Black Ops expert with the exact same level of training and proficiency. And of course the magical community doesn't have Aurors and law enforcement personnel trained and experienced in combat....that would be crazy.

They is literally nothing they can do about a lot of things. Like a cruish missile. Or a MOAB: Of course there is nothing Muggles can do about any spell a witch or wizard can cast. At least against conventional arms the witch or wizard can leave the area, generate a shield, or.....shocking as this would be.....shoot the missile down or search for mines disrupt the landscape to search for mines. A missile doesn't fly faster than the human eye can see fact most missiles are detected by the sight of their launch flash, smoke trail, or other visual means before radar will pick them up (you're free to argue this point with my if you'd like....I've only been trained for 10 years on how to defend Naval vessels against missile attacks....of course you can just watch CNN or Fox News and see camera footage of missile taking off or flying over Israel or Gaza these days and see the visual signs for yourself) so while a Muggle would be screwed seeing a missile inbound to him/her a witch or wizard isn't as defenseless.

Even if they know they are coming, they don't necessarily know when, from where, or how they are coming. They can't do anything to a sniper they can't see. Even if they hear him, they'll confused as to his werabouts as they all slowly get picked off by people who truly do know how to wage war: and of course it would be impossible for the magical community to create a spell, if they don't already have one, which would protect them from a bullet. They figured out how to survive being burned at the stake by making the flames tickle vice burn. I can see them being surprised at first but once that is done and they negate the advantage what then? Muggles have no defense against magic. Of course I haven't even delved into the number of ways witches and wizards know to make themselves invisible and undetectable to each other let alone Muggles. Hard to kill something you can't see or even know is there.

You keep coming back to this idea that the magical community doesn't know how to wage war when the books are filled with wars that witches and wizards have fought right under the noise of muggles. all the wars against the goblins, the two wars against Voldemort, great battles like Dumbledore versus Grindleward (think I spelled that wrong).....they don't live in some Utopian society that has forgone violence for the last millenium. They've had they're conflicts just as the Muggle world as.

This entire debate comes down to two big points:

1) Who has the better intelligence on the other side. Answer: the magical community. They've been misdirecting Muggles for centuries and not just through magic. They know how to hide, how to move around in plain sight, who the leaders are, how to get to them. You name it. Yes, most witches and wizards don't understand Muggle society.....they fact they don't know Muggle currency has absolutely nothing to do with knowing their military or intelligence capability.

2) Who can best defend themselves from the other side. Answer: the magical community. Muggles have ZERO DEFENSE AGAINST MAGIC. On the other hand the magical community has shown it can operate against Muggle means of security and have devised spells in the past to protect themselves from harm or Muggle persecution. So even if the Muggles gain an advantage in one battle they could lose it in the next through spell creation.

Nukes are a laughable consideration. You're never going to get a group to stay in one location long enough to effectively employ a nuke. This isn't Starcraft. We can't keep a Ghost invisible and 30 seconds later a bomb drops from the sky. Yes, tactical missiles can be used that way but you'll never get enough opponents in one shot to make it effective. This is why these types of attacks are conducted against immobile, ground targets....bunkers, factories, cities, etc. Not troops moving through a region that can scatter the impact sight. That's not taking into consideration magical shielding.....remember, Voldemort's forces were bombarding the shield with hundreds of spells for awhile before he finally took the thing out. It had already been weakened. A single missile strike may not take out the wizard encampment and if not all they have to do is apparate to a new location and the strike resulted in nothing.

The issue of tanks was brought up.....another weapon that is not a practical means of fighting small troop forces. Tanks were designed as siege breakers and then modified to combat other tanks. They can shield troops but aren't a first weapon against opposing foot-based forces. Plus, while the Killing Curse may not do anything to it the books alone have discussed spells that can blow apart walls, take out buildings, the movies showed two or three Death Eaters tearing about a bridge...combine that with invisibility, shielding, and other magical advantages and the tank doesn't seem so great anymore.

The only potential advantage Muggles have is based around electricity and electrical fields. As noted in the books too much electrical wiring and the resulting electrical fields play havok with magic. Not negate it, just mess with it. So that's something at least but not a concept that would be apparent because the Muggle world is not aware of magic and so hasn't had centuries, like the magical community has the Muggle world, to study it and determine a weakness.

Of course this post isn't just a reply to your comments but to anyone on this thread that thinks the answer is as simple as "drop a nuke" or "they won't see our snipers" and that's the end of it. Looking at everything presented in both book and film the overwhelming evidence is that the magical community is far more capable in a war between magical and muggle, has had more time to study their enemy, knows more about their enemy, knows how to hide intelligence from the enemy, knows how to hide from the enemy, and can adapt their arsenal to counter the tactics of the enemy far better. Neither side is adapt at fighting the other but at the same time both sides have combat capable personnel.

The only advantage to Muggles is numbers because the only true way for Voldemort to wage war on the Muggle world is to have the entire magical world behind him, which would never actually happen. He'd be fighting a two pronged war. He may have won the Battle of Hogwarts and secured Britain but the entire rest of the magical community spread around the globe, including the other Schools of Witchcraft and Wizardry, would either have to fall in-line with him or he'd spend years conquering them first and then constantly fighting off resistances.

This is where the Rowlings' story falls short in the concept that Voldemort is some world-wide threat. His presence is barely felt in Europe let alone the rest of the world. We never get the sense of just how much more organized the wizarding world is outside of the British Ministry of Magic (aside from a few mentions of dealing with one other Ministry) nor what the other areas of the world think of Voldemort's ideology. Thus is threat to the entire human population is made mute by just how much his actions have actually affected the world at large.

In the end his best move would be to take control of various governments and initiate a Third World War. Get the Muggles to kill each other down to a manageable level while he conquers the magical community. When the world has exhausted itself from battle it would more openly accept someone who could, from a Muggle perspective, perform miracles and provide the protection and conditions to live in peace albeit as second class citizens, if not worse. Rowlings skimmed this idea when presenting the idea of ruling Muggle's for their own good that Dumbledore and Grindleward shared in their youth with the timeframe of their conflict fitting into the time period of the Second World War. If we look at how Voldemort is portrayed through the series this is a philosophy he tends to share as well but implements more aggressive means to achieve it to the point where his Death Eaters lock into an idea of simply wiping out Muggles and take pleasure in doing it.

But I digress from the thread topic at hand.

#6 Posted by ltbrd (562 posts) - - Show Bio

for a single episode I'd go with Transformers as many are just good, classic fun.

but as a whole I'd go with Gundam

#7 Posted by ltbrd (562 posts) - - Show Bio

I can agree with those and a few others. Yes, all of these powers have been a part of the character for years (decades even) but I've never believed that anything in comics needs to remain the same and for the most part they haven't, each writer brings a new angle to the character and all of these characters personalities and abilities have changed through the years.

So the powers to drop:

Super Breath - doesn't really make a lot of sense as the amount of air he expels is far in excess of the air his lungs could ever take in and his lungs would need to near collapse in on themselves to generate the amount of force needed to generate such speeds

Freeze Breath - same reason really as Super Breath and add to that the fact the pressure would need to be constant so its not as simple as "think cold and blow"

** I will add one addendum to the two above....if his overall power set were changed to be closer to the pre-52 Superboy notion of tactile telekinesis (i.e. his body generates a telekinetic field which is the explanation for his array of superhuman feats) than I would say add both would be acceptable to keep as it wouldn't be his lungs doing all the work but his telekinetic field amplifying or freezing the air he expels to generate the effect. **

Super Hearing - the degree I put in there is because his hearing should be better than a normal humans, maybe even as good as a canines or other such animals, but the overuse of this power just irritates the heck out of me. Its just bad writing to make a plot device where he hears a scream from halfway across a busy city let alone on the other side of the world. If he's in the same room or a frequency is being broadcast over long distances than I'm all for problem with Supes picking up the slight tick of a bomb hidden in a warehouse. But there needs to be an end to him picking up a refinery fire in Belgium when he's sitting in Metropolis. Sound just doesn't work like that.

** So instead I'd have no problem giving Supes a very passive form of telepathy/empathy. Something along the same lines as a Z Fighter sensing an enemy or the new movie Spider-Man feeling a serious problem occurring in the city. It goes along with the notion of Kryptonians having psychokinetic abilities (the offhand explanation for a number of their powers outside a red sun) but wouldn't go so far as to let him know what the danger or threat is, he just feels the fear/anger/hate/desperation/etc from the people experiencing the problem and can follow it to the source and once he gets there he'll need to figure out what the problem is....thus also giving the stories a bit more tension given the fact Supes won't know what he's actually getting into until he's there and thus need to figure out a solution on the spot vice planning ahead **

Telescopic/Microscopic Vision - the last point kind of leads into this one but like Super Breath and Freeze Breath these just doesn't make a lot of sense and I think limits a lot of tension Superman stories could have if they weren't around. But first and foremost they just don't make a lot of sense from a practical standpoint. His eyes don't have additional lenses with which to adjust so he can see long distances or extreme tiny objects nor would a psychokinetic explanation make much sense either. This is different from X-ray Vision (which I think he could keep) because that relies on a release of energy and the feedback his eyes receive and mind interprets. Telescopic and Microscopic Vision don't work along those same lines because they require no energy output nor feedback. Somehow his eyes are just able to do both and that's about as far an explanation as we get. They also undermine a lot of potential tension by letting him know a threat well before he gets there or could have figured a solution out by other means, cheapening the opportunity to show just how intelligent he is and what he can accomplish at a moments notice.

Super Speed - he can already out fly what he can do on the ground so its not of much use to say he can also run at Mach 2 or whatever his max running speed is. There also isn't much explanation for it other than his physicality. Just because he's amazingly strong doesn't automatically mean he's amazingly fast too....else Flash would be the strongest hero in the DC Universe as well. A "dense molecular structure" doesn't mean a fast one.

So now that I've put down a few powers here are my thoughts on what abilities Superman should have....all of which need to be more directly tied to the idea of using solar radiation to produce superhuman feats of psychokinesis. I've never been a fan of the idea that his "body becomes supercharged" under a yellow sun. That doesn't make a lot of sense because his body doesn't actually change in any way. But the idea that he can utilize the stronger energy to project it in a number of ways does and thus my thoughts on a Superman powerset would be:

Natural abilities (i.e. Kryptonian physiology....complete independent of solar energy absorption)

Strength - 1.5 tons, Speed - 200 (sustained) to 250 (sprint) mph, Durability - survive a car crash/slight bruising from non-armor piercing bullets, Reflexes - see/dodge/catch automatic gun fire and near point blank range, Perfect Memory, Stamina - peak performance for several hours, Senses - around 5 to 10 times better than a normal human

Superhuman abilities based on Solar Energy Absorption and Energy Projection

Telekinetic Field resulting in Tactile Telekinesis (anything he touches with bare skin...thus why he doesn't wear gloves...will become wrapped in his field and allow him to lift with ease, more energy he puts into the field the heavier the object he can lift), Concussive Strikes (concentrate his field to increase physical attacks by 10 like he's punching someone with 15 tons), Flight, Force Field (increase the density of the field to crank up his durability....not knowing exactly how much power he needs to use for the field would be the reason why a first attack may knock him into a building but the second doesn't even phase him), Heat Vision, Force Vision (I mean, if he can strike with telekinetic force why not expel it from his eyes as well), Electro-Magnetic Spectrum Vision (can shift through infrared, x-ray and ultraviolet by concentrating energy his in eyes but can't see radio or microwave frequencies), Night Vision (same concept of energy accumulation as EMS Vision), Super Breath (by using the telekinetic field to increase the force of the air he expels) and Body Temperature Manipulation (which provides the necessary environment for his Freeze Breath but also the reason why his body can survive in space....and I thought how he overcame that gas attack from Jason Todd was a pretty interesting application as well as Kara's skin glowing as a result when she went down to the ocean depths).

Like I said could add in a passive form of telepathy/empathy as it fits along a psychokinetic line of abilities but its not necessary for the Man of Steel as his abilities should be more physical and direct/conscious use. Also it would be nice to see him utilize a bit more technology given his suit is more technological now. Maybe not something as drastic as a DC rip-off of the Mass Effect omni-tool or something but maybe his phone being upgraded so it constantly searches the internet and radio frequencies for disasters or a similar concept that can alert him when things are happening outside of Metropolis.

#8 Posted by ltbrd (562 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm interested to see if they change Peter for the story. It looks like he killed the dude at his feet so is that his personality, the influence of the symbiote or was he trying to put pressure on the wound.

Would be interesting if Peter didn't have any spider powers in this special. It was all based on the symbiote but as a result of being bonded to it for awhile, and naturally studying it as a scientist, he uses his intellect to build a spider-man suit that simulates his traditional powers but is closed off to control.

#9 Edited by ltbrd (562 posts) - - Show Bio

@bouzingo: science=magic doesn't necessarily cripple a character like Strange because, as Avengers utilized, there is more to reality than just the Nine Realms as the Asgardians didn't know where the Chitauri came from (one of the many plot holes in that film because if they don't know where they are from how do they know their name or that Loki was even working with them???) so that opens the potential for more dimensions to be utilized and events like the War of the Seven Spheres.

Plus both Marvel and DC have stated in numerous comics through the years that magic is a "super science", a natural manipulation of bending elemental forces and energy to ones will. Asgardians are simply advanced enough to know how to do this on an every day level to even the most mundane items where Human understanding of the universe isn't that far yet so we have modern technology.

I just point out how magic has already been utilized because I think it will have a negative effect on a Doctor Strange movie to have him shouting "flames of the faltine" and other invocations all the time rather than establishing that his imagination and will produce the effect. This will just keep the continuity of the MCU going rather than introduce a random element and try to justify it as the "human way" of using magic, or something like that.

The trick with Strange is the atmosphere of the movie (I agree with these reports of it being darker and more of a horror movie because I love books like Hellblazer) with just the right amount of whit vice outright humor (something I think Hardy or Cumberbaugh could pull off evenly) and part of that atmosphere has to be how magic is utilized. By going the invocation route my personal opinion is it breaks that type of atmosphere.

As for the villain, I just don't think you need to do a big guy like Dormmormu if its an origin story (Cap had the Red Skull but it was kind of necessary given the war background) because you can start with an sorcerer like Mordu as an opponent but have him summoning demons and other dark beings. But if the movie decides to go more with Strange as an established sorcerer, echoing the way Thor was handled instead of Cap or Iron Man, than I think its more appropriate to bring out the really big threats for Strange to face.

As for Cumberbaugh as the Submariner......nay, don't see it. In that case I'd say Hardy is the better candidate for his known physicality.

#10 Edited by ltbrd (562 posts) - - Show Bio

Saw a report today that Tom Hardy and Benedict Cumberbaugh (think I spelled that right....guy that plays Sherlock Holmes and was Khan) are in the lead to play Doctor Stephen Strange.

Personally I think Cumberbaugh would be a better choice. Not from an acting perspective, both are fantastic. But just his overall appearance, the general demeanor he plays characters with, the sneer he's perfected with Sherlock Holmes when he looks down on other people....think that puts him at the top of my list. Plus, a little canon change to make Strange be a Brit vice American wouldn't hurt. Expands the Marvel movie universe a bit to other shores and they can capitalize on the fading, but not completely gone, Potter craze for a British wizard.

As to the movie itself, I don't think they should re-tread on what was fairly well done in the 2007 animated film and go with the "loss of his hands angle". Might play off better to go with a backstory that he's suppressed or outright denied his magical abilities, possibly due to a family death because of the demons Mordo sent after him as a child (which would herald back to the first origin of the character), and instead pursues a career in medicine. Rather than seeking out the mystical he's forced back into it that world, making audience relate to the character better as both are seeing the mystical world for the first time while putting him on a journey of self discovery rather than one of redemption. The conflict comes in underlying that with revenge as his journey puts him face to face with Mordo (rather than a more cosmic entity as the animated film did).

Which leads into the mystical aspect of the film.....where I think it should take a cue from the 2007 animated film is not relying on incantations or invocation of other beings powers, as the comics does, but showcasing magic as a natural manipulation of energy in the world and so the effects are centered around the imagination and concentration of the sorcerer rather than learning a series of words or phrases or getting dangled up in the very complicated mythology that is comic book cosmic beings. By keeping it simple, a natural ability in very few humans (were talking like a few dozen in the entire world), it makes sense why magic isn't more pronounced or seen from humans before this. It also aligns the magic Strange can perform closer to what we've already seen from the Asgardians. This way audiences can connect the two and we get a more cohesive movie universe.

That's not to say demons and other beings can't exist. That can be another reason why the magical population is so small, because they constantly guard against these threats, and we can even see a number of them based on what Mordo summons or makes a pact with. Just wouldn't have it be that Strange's magic comes from other dimensional beings or that he owes allegiance to the Vishanti and others. Better for them to be known but not a centerpoint to the film and the mythology it will create. Something to save for the sequel.

What do you all think?