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#1  Edited By llagrok
@FinalStar86 said:
" @llagrok:I was talking about Mjolnir, that weapon IS a plot device.    You tried passing off time manipulation as a credible argument in another thread and when I ask why Thor didn;t use it against others  First you said it was because he didn't have the Odinforce  Then you said it was because it's dangerous and risky business  Now you're saying its because it would be boring if he did so   You need to pick a story and stick with it, you're one of those people that will come up with a new excuse when the previous one fails "
It has to be the one reason? 
 
My initial mention of the Odinforce is why Thor doesn't stop time, not why he can't manipulate it.  
 
It is dangerous and risky business for Thor to tamper with time. Nor would any writer have him win all his fights by doing this.  
 
You do not know what the word excuse mean by the way. It is to beg forgiveness or pardon for something. I am not excusing anything. I am giving REASONS for why he doesn't always use said powers, I am EXPLAINING. One of these reasons is editorial, the other is explained inside the Marvel universe. Read comics, learn things.
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#2  Edited By llagrok
@FinalStar86 said:
" Maybe because MARY ISN'T ADAM You're scan shows Mary with Isis' power, NOT ADAM   You fail "
Do you know how Mary got these powers? 
 
I thought you read comics about Black Adam. 
 
@the human Juggernaut: Uhm... Mary received her powers in June 2007. Isis wasn't restored until Black Adam's miniseries if I'm not mistaken, which was released at the end of 2007/early 2008. 
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#3  Edited By llagrok
@Silver2467 said:
" @llagrok said:
" @Silver2467: What in the world gave you the impression that I didn't like Lucifer? Read, son, READ! :D  I have just mentioned how godly characters can have far more depth than "supposedly godly" characters. Lucifer, Dream and Kid Eternity were examples of characters who have divine powers yet show an amazing amount of character depth :) "
Oh, my bad then. I misconstrued what you said. I thought you meant that certain godly characters lack depth that ordinary characters have. Sorry. My bad.  "
No problem. 
 
Lucifer hits 2nd on my top ranking of comics overall. He is very dear to me : D
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#4  Edited By llagrok
@FinalStar86: Oh right, let me quote it for you. 
 
" "I feel as though my body is made of living magic. Not only the powers of the Marvel Family but also those bequeathed to Teth-Adam by his beloved Isis." 
 
Jesus Christ man, how does this not confirm that Black Adam had Isis' power? 
 
Point me to the comic where Black Adam does well against Doctor Fate.
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#5  Edited By llagrok
@Silver2467: What in the world gave you the impression that I didn't like Lucifer? Read, son, READ! :D 
 
I have just mentioned how godly characters can have far more depth than "supposedly godly" characters. Lucifer, Dream and Kid Eternity were examples of characters who have divine powers yet show an amazing amount of character depth :)
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#6  Edited By llagrok
@FinalStar86: Plot Device? The Odinforce has existed since the 60s. A plot device is something that exists solely to further the plot. You're using the definition "plot device" on a power that existed for almost 50 years. This is wrong. Going by this definition, any power Thor has ever used has been a plot device, including his fist.  Time Manipulation is a fairly standard power in the Odinforce package.  
 
Where do I contradict myself? Your argument is essentially "This power is cheating/I do not accept/not valid" because Thor did not use it in specific fights. With which I replied that the main characters do not always use their instant-win power on every occasion. Thor can not use it on every occasion for that matter. You failed to mention a fight where it would have been reasonable for Thor to use it, but let's assume that you did. 
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#7  Edited By llagrok
@FinalStar86 said:
" @llagrok: It didn't happen twice, you have one scan and ONLY one scan that says Adam had the power of 7 gods, that was the one error that was made.  You're other scans do not support you, Mary was the one that had Adam's powers, and the other scan says nothing about Adam being amped  I never said Adam beat Doctor Fate and Alan Scott, I stated that they are usually on the JSA teams when Adam fights and usually does well against them.  None of that matters since either would defeat Thor with ease.  The fact that Adam can fight both and Jay and Power Girl puts him on another level. "
Doing well against them doesn't say much though. Just surviving an attack from general direction could be doing well for some characters. Unless he actually manages a victory it's hardly worth mentioning. You also do realize that a team is RARELY as great as the sum of its parts?  Point me to a comic where Black Adam fought the JSA and did well against Doctor Fate. 
 
There are two scans. Doctor Sivana saying "7 gods" and Mary Marvel saying "7 gods".  Those are two scans.  
 
Thor did well against the Surfer and Adam Warlock. Far more impressive than doing well against Garrick and Power Girl.
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#8  Edited By llagrok
@Silver2467 said:
" @llagrok said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @llagrok said: 
Aah no. More than anything is the quality of his character overratted. Reading his comics made me feel extremely underwhelmed by his depth and the attempted flaws. Feels like every time it gets interesting, the god-awful super-powered medieval background shows up and takes the Gary Stu bar up to 11. "
I can somewhat agree with this. Wildstorm doesn't appeal to me too much. I've read some stuff, but it's over-exploitive and just seems to enjoy making all of their characters supposed gods. In my opinion though, a lot of it lacks depth.  "
Yup. And when there are comics with REAL GODS ,that makes the supposed low-level seem like insects, who have much more depth, you really have to wonder... "
With characters who are mythological gods like Thor or characters who are related to gods like Wonder Woman or the Spectre, I don't really think it makes others seem like insects. I think what makes characters seem like insects is when a character really isn't a god, but they're set up to be one anyway.  "
I was thinking of Dream, Kid Eternity and Lucifer. Character who's shown far more depth than Majestic. Another example of this kind of godawful writing is The Gorgon from the Wolverine comics. He too is a very poorly created character.
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#9  Edited By llagrok
@FinalStar86 said:
" @llagrok: \My bad, I was just trying to call you out on your excuse of Thor not using time manipulation against Thanos due to his tech... "
That much was obvious.  
 
Unfortunately your argument was poorly constructed and it's already a slippery slope as is. I can answer it fairly easily though. 
 
It would be an awfully boring comic if every main-protagonist in every comic used their best/cheapest/easiest attack every time. 
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#10  Edited By llagrok
@FinalStar86: Johns has never, ever made a blunder this big. No writer would write two stories based off of a mistake they made.... 
 
Why would those threads be any different? I don't want the guy who's read a million comics of spider-man voicing his opinion on who wins between the Hulk and Lightray. It doesn't prove anything, especially not when users on said hypothetical forum know nothing of Lightray.  We'll focus on the discussion at hand.  
   
You're the one who's claiming that I have no proof when I have 2 scans confirming that Black Adam had the power of 7 gods, and you claim that they are BOTH writer mistakes.Who's speculating? It was shown black on white.
 
When has Black Adam defeated Doctor Fate and Alan Scott? Defeated, beaten in battle. Not survived, endured or stalemated. Defeated.