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@cosmoman: Buddy... he out right states that he’s holding back. You’re done here.

@alphamon: I should check it out. This isn’t bashing Thor. I love the guy and he’s certainly one of the most powerful heroes in Marvel. That’s how Stan and Jack created him. But before becoming a Skyfather himself, he wasn’t on that level. And that’s okay. I really don’t see the issue here. Asking an L from Odin or Zeus isn’t a big deal. These guys are respected powers by Kordax, Thanos, Dr. Strange, Dormammu etc.

@alphamon: I hadn’t read it in a while, but I knew he said something like that. I’m guessing that cosmoman never read it at all, which is why he just posted that one panel cut out. Good stuff, man.

Knowledge: None.

State of Mind: Both bloodlusted.

Who takes this?

No knowledge.

State of Mind: Both bloodlusted.

Who wins?

@cosmoman: It’s not. You just seem to struggle with reading comprehension. No offense. You’re hyper focused on one a piece of hyperbole from the 1970’s.

@cosmoman: I don't have to post proof that Zeus was struggling, because there's no evidence that he was. You have to post proof that he was. Again. Reading comprehension. He never even says that Thor was stronger than any enemy he's fought. He says that he was stronger in his resistance. He praised his tenacity relative to them. Not Thor's power, although Thor is powerful. It's absurd to think that Classic Thor was at the same level as someone that Odin considers an equal and that Thor considers an equal of Odin.

@cosmoman: You keep posting that one panel without the one below it where Thor's on the ground talking about how badly he lost. Like I said, if you want to believe that Classic Thor is on or close to the level of Zeus, that's entirely your prerogative. And again, it's not at all directly contradicted by the narrative. Do you even have any evidence that Zeus struggled in those fights? If you're really convinced that Pre-Odinforce Thor was on Zeus' level, why not make a thread about it?

Even in that one panel you cut out from the page, Zeus is asking Thor to stop. If Zeus was really trying to beat Thor, but he couldn't do it for months, why is he begging him to surrender? Why doesn't he just finish Thor off while he's on the ground? Here's Zeus defeating an elder god eons ago after illuminating a realm of infinite darkness.

@cosmoman: Yes. And you would be wrong. If you want you can assume that the other people Zeus has fought never resisted as vigorously or you can assume that Zeus was just praising a far weaker opponents valour, but there's no evidence that Zeus struggled to beat Thor in that issue and no evidence that he went all out.

If you want to believe that Classic Thor is close to Zeus' level, by all means do it. I don't believe it. Most people don't believe it. And if anyone at Marvel cared to answer a powerscaling question, I'm 120% they'd tell you that Zeus is more powerful than that version of Thor. Like Thor says himself. Some things are common sense. We already know that Thor considered Zeus far more powerful than himself. Here's Odin summoning the greatest Earth gods in preparation for a battle with Thanos. Note that Odin summoned Zeus, but not Thor. Then there's the time that he battled Odin and Mephisto described their rage as great enough to shake the world. How close do you think Classic Thor was to Odin in power? Then there's the time that Dormammu describes his power as equal to Odin or Zeus (I think he's underselling himself a bit, but again... Zeus in in an entirely different grouping than Classic Thor). This is how people in Marvel comics and the people creating the comics see things. Thanos is looking at a grouping of cosmic powers. Not Odin and Zeus are in there. Thor isn't before he becomes a skyfather. Then there's the time that Korvac (while dealing with the Avengers including Thor) looks in to the cosmic powers that had the potential to stop him. He checks in on Eternity, Uatu, Odin, Zeus and Mephisto. There are many more examples of this. Yes. Zeus is far above Thor and we have no reason to believe that he couldn't actually defeat Thor just because he praised his tenacity. I had more scans, but they're not coming out.

That's Zeus after wiping the floor with the Avengers including Thor. It did not take him 9 months.

@cosmoman: It's really weird that you would take that panel alone as evidence of Zeus being unable to kill Thor (there's no evidence that he was trying). If you look at the very next panel, Thor is on the ground talking about how much Zeus beat his ass while the Olympian stands over him. Also, praising how hard he fought, doesn't at all indicate that Zeus was trying his hardest to kill Thor and was just completely unable to do it. I love Thor. He's one of my favorite characters. But he didn't come even close to winning that fight and there's no evidence that Zeus was giving it his all.

In a later comic, Thor is going over the various god characters and cosmics in the Marvel universe. He's explaining the hierarchy. He mentions Volstagg as the standard god and he brings up Hercules and Loki as gods that are exceptional powerful even compared to the average gods. Gods that can match him to some extent (although I'd put Thor over both of them). When he get's to Zeus, he puts the King of Olympus on the level of his father, Odin. If Thor had already fought Zeus so hard that it took several months for him to claim victory with all of his effort, why would he compare Zeus to Odin? Why not compare Zeus to himself? If you're talking about what Thor says in the comics, it's very clear that he sees Zeus as a god at a level of power far above him. At least before he got the Odinforce. I mean that with full respect.😊👍