Laurcus

@iamthewolf88: Either way, while I agree with you that Saiyans have to breathe, they can still survive in space just fine. Because Toriyama is like, "F logic trolololol!" Note 0:23-0:25, and 0:57 to the end of the trailer.

@Theorder14 said:

@Death Certificate:
yes i know but it's obviously because he's the *** good guy >.> why the **** would a good guy bust a planet in the first place. that's just retarded logic thinking, *he's never shown to do it so he can't'*

i mean, Goku have even countered energy blast that would bust a planet and it was even stated on-panel that Goku can destroy a planet so i see no reason why they would lie.

But some people really love their argument from ignorance fallacies. It's just cruel to take that away from them. :(

@SilverGalford said:

@Vance Astro said:

@SilverGalford said:

Cell can bust a planet? = ok

Buu = ok

Frieza = ok

but Goku and the Saiyans ? No!.

that's the real inconsistence. let me explain :

Goku being in ssj2 was afraid to die in namek planet by a lousy planet explosion (Goku was stronger than frieza who depowered,hurt ,unconscious and inferior to Goku in power survived the explosion )

Goku in SSJ2 died when Cell Explodes ( Goku was stronger than Cell cause he was depowered too and he didn't have android number 18)

Vegeta all out explodes and he didn't kill fat Buu , he didn't even bust the planet Earth .

Goku escaped from Planet Earth cause he was afraid to die again , Gohan who was stronger than Buu and Goku together couldn't survive and he wasn't that hurt like Frieza

being stronger than another chracter in DBZ means this powerful character wouldn't have any problems with the planet busting power of weak characters.

some say because his powers are focused on the target , they cannot bust the earth.but that's not true , when they are all out they destroy everything , even the ones around them are afected by their powers. besides there is no statement or evidence to clarify this .

sorry about the Roshi Part LOL.

This is just pointing out more inconsistencies. I don't see how the lend any less credibility to whether Goku\Vegeta should be able to bust planets or not. When Cell exploded, didn't that destroy King Kai's planet? Doesn't that prove it took a planetary level explosion to kill Goku?

well even an illness can kill Goku . If Goku were a planet buster , then he would have survived Cell's explosion, Goku was stronger than Cell at that moment , keep in mind that .( Goku in SSJ2 was able to even give a good fight to Perfect Cell)

If Goku was already a planet buster when cell exploded (cause according to DBZ ABC "wonderful logic" he beat a planet buster so he is a planet buster) , he would have survived that explosion cause he was stronger than cell (fused only with android number 17 and depowered). but he couldn't survive.

Goku was not SS2 against Cell. If he was the Cell games would have been over in 5 minutes.

First off, where do you even get the idea of comparing Cell's self destruct to being able to survive planet busting? We don't know the output of Cell's self destruct, so it's fairly pointless to compare it to anything. It's an otherwise featless explosion that killed Goku and blew up a ball of dirt that isn't much bigger than my house + backyard. You're trying to debunk algebra in an entirely illogical way lol.

None of this matters anyway because we don't know what Goku's current power level was. He got his butt kicked by Cell, didn't recover in any way, then the Cell juniors mercilessly beat him while he was too weak to stand up. Then, still having gotten no healing, he used IT to travel between dimensions, an act that takes a significant amount of energy. And after all this, you're saying people are illogical because Goku didn't survive a self destruct from a fully powered Semi-Perfect Cell? And let's not forget that self destruct moves have been shown to be significantly more powerful than other moves with an equalized power level. For example, in the Saiyan saga Yamcha was easily manhandling a Saibaman, because he had a higher power level, but he still got one shotted by a self destruct move from the already damaged Saibaman.

@ComicStooge: It didn't take long for Cell to gather the energy once he started charging. He actually spent more time talking than anything. And Cell hadn't previously done this because he got a massive power up just a couple of minutes before he started charging up his solar system blast. And if he had tried something like this before that power up, even if it was just a planet busting attack, SS2 Gohan was right there to stop him, and Gohan was manhandling him pretty badly.

This is the anime scene, and even that's not that drawn out that much. And it's difficult to tell how much of his charge time was necessary, and how much was just him taunting people.

@iamthewolf88: You seriously replied to a 3 month old post?

@Roddy010 said:

@Laurcus said:

@Roddy010 said:

@Laurcus: Lol Please don'\t I'm currently on the second one so I don't want to ruin it. I guess we can agree to disagree then. Kratos is very formidable but I don't see him taking down Sora.

Fair enough lawl. Lemme just put it this way, Kratos gets so strong in God of War 3 it's absolutely retarded. I won't say any more than that for spoiler's sake.

Lmao I just about imagine. have you played Ascension yet?

Yes I have. And Kratos actually has a few interesting feats and pieces of gear from it. The multiplayer is also pretty ballin'.

@Roddy010 said:

@Laurcus: Lol Please don'\t I'm currently on the second one so I don't want to ruin it. I guess we can agree to disagree then. Kratos is very formidable but I don't see him taking down Sora.

Fair enough lawl. Lemme just put it this way, Kratos gets so strong in God of War 3 it's absolutely retarded. I won't say any more than that for spoiler's sake.

@Roddy010 said:

@Laurcus said:

@Roddy010 said:

@Laurcus:

I'm aware of what Sora has done. You're talking to a huge KH fan. Still looking forward to KH 3 in fact. The Disney Hercules' feats from KH are very inconsistent with his feats of tossing Titans into orbit. He struggles with Cerberus after all. And gameplay wise, Sora is unable to hurt him with his golden aura up, which for some odd reason is taken down by throwing barrels at him. Sora also has not beaten Hercules in raw strength. He defeats him in combat, which is far from the same thing.

Me too but it's gonna be awhile before we get our wish lol. As far the battle We're looking at characters at their best here and Hercules even in his Disney incarnation has shown feats that rivaled Kratos. Heck I've seen Kratos hurt by lesser beings then he's taking on Ares. Sora was still strong and quick enough to effect him.(let's not forget Hercules said he was not holding back in the fight) My point is that if he can hurt characters like Hercules then Kratos should be no problem.

You cannot assume that because something is the same size as Atlas that it is as strong as him, or that it has as much durability. That is speculation. Here's some rough math for you. From the tip of my index finger to my first joint is about 1 inch. Kratos is 6-6.5 feet tall. In game we can see how Kratos compares to the size of Atlas' finger. Kratos reaches from the tip of Atlas' finger to about 1/3 of the way to the first joint. So, if I was Atlas, Kratos would be roughly a third of an inch tall to me. I am 5 feet 11 inches tall. So, Kratos would need to be about 215 times taller to be equal to Atlas. Let's assume that Kratos is only 6 feet tall, so the difference in our height is only 1 inch. It's pretty difficult for me to lift 100 pounds because I'm an out of shape nerd. So, let's make me more like an Olympic athlete and say that I can lift 500 pounds. So, let's multiply my lifting strength by my size. 500*215=107,500. So, if I was 5 times stronger than I am now, and then I grew to be the size of Atlas, assuming my strength increased linearly, I'd be able to lift about 53.75 tons. Even if you further doubled my strength to account for Atlas having 4 arms, that's still only 107.5 tons, which means Atlas is still 55,813,953,488,372,093,023 times stronger than me, even accounting for the size difference and multiplying my strength by 10.

This is all fine and dandy for Kratos but it still doesn't support Sora not being able to hurt Kratos. All that shows is that Kratos is really strong/durable (when it calls for it). Sora has fought people >/= Kratos's strength level anyway.

The only "god" Sora has ever fought was Disney Hades, who doesn't have any impressive feats, and for that matter neither does Genie Jafar.

I used the term "gods" loosely what I meant were the many bosses Sora. Most of which who had power that contends with the Gods Kratos fought.

The tallest man made structure in the world is the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, at 2,722 feet tall it dwarfs other skyscrapers. It only weighs 500,000 tons. So even Sora's feats of chopping up skyscrapers in his fight against Xemnas are pretty insignificant to the kind of strength and durability that Atlas and Kratos have.

Sora was able to cut through six of these building in one strike with no problem at all. His strength is sufficient enough to hurt Kratos. That's the point I'm trying to make. Also what defenses does Kratos have against Sora's magic?

KH Hercules is not necessarily equivalent to the Disney Hercules that he's based on. I mean, just look at the Final Fantasy characters. Cloud is clearly depowered in the KH universe, as is Squall. You can't take feats from the TV show and movie that Disney Hercules is from and automatically say that Hercules in KH is capable of the same thing, therefore Sora is equivalent to that.

Kratos resists Hades trying to rip his soul out. The Claws of Hades are powerful magic weapons. Start of the video.

Hades kills a Titan with this ability. That's some extreme magic resistance. He also has the Golden Fleece, which is a powerful defensive item capable of reflecting things like Gorgon stares and even Zeus' lightning.

I don't believe that anything Sora has fought could contend with one of the God of War gods.

Cutting through six buildings is not equivalent to the damage that Kratos can tank. Even if those buildings were equal in size to the largest building ever made, that's still only 3 million tons. That's still only 1/1,000,000,000,000th of the weight that Kratos has been shown to tank. That's still astronomically far from Sora being able to hurt Kratos.

And Kratos has not been shown to be hurt by any "lesser" beings in cutscenes, only in pure gameplay.

You make really good points but I still don't see Sora failing to hurt Kratos, sextillion durability and all. Kratos is not the invulnerable God you are making him out to be. He's can still be hurt and Sora has enough strength to do just that. On top of that is his speed will allow him to evade and counter Kratos's attacks.I honestly don't see how Kratos will tag Sora anyway. Also having your soul ripped out is completely different than having time itself seize or being crushed by gravity forces.(physical magic) so I can see him resisting this form of magic but I don't see Kratos countering these.

I'm a number's guy, and by the numbers, I just don't see Sora hurting Kratos lol. I don't believe Kratos is invulnerable though, he's just much stronger than Sora. There are many characters that can beat Kratos, but I do not think Sora has shown the raw output necessary to hurt Kratos.

And while Sora does have better combat speed than Kratos, Kratos' Blades of Exile can move incredibly quickly, and Kratos has used them to tag faster opponents before.

Gravity magic doesn't seem all that strong to me. It's essentially just pressure created by magic, which is exactly what Kratos should do well against. And Hades' soul ripping attack is magical based, so that's an extremely high end feat which should not be dismissed.

Also keep in mind that so far I've only argued base form Kratos' feats. I'm assuming that for this fight Kratos would have Hope. Serious question, are you aware of how powerful Hope Kratos is? Because I will gladly explain it and post videos if you aren't familiar with the ending of God of War 3.

@goblin123 said:

is there a transformation for Goku higher than SSJ4 that I missed?

Sort of. There's Super Saiyan God, from the new movie "Battle of Gods" which came out in select theaters in Japan on the 12th, and releases nation wide in Japan on the 30th. Super Saiyan God seems extremely powerful, but there's not enough showings or statements about it to really compare it to SS4 yet.

The movie takes place during the 10 year time skip in the Buu saga, not in GT, which makes it even harder to gauge its power.

@Roddy010 said:

@Laurcus:

I'm aware of what Sora has done. You're talking to a huge KH fan. Still looking forward to KH 3 in fact. The Disney Hercules' feats from KH are very inconsistent with his feats of tossing Titans into orbit. He struggles with Cerberus after all. And gameplay wise, Sora is unable to hurt him with his golden aura up, which for some odd reason is taken down by throwing barrels at him. Sora also has not beaten Hercules in raw strength. He defeats him in combat, which is far from the same thing.

Me too but it's gonna be awhile before we get our wish lol. As far the battle We're looking at characters at their best here and Hercules even in his Disney incarnation has shown feats that rivaled Kratos. Heck I've seen Kratos hurt by lesser beings then he's taking on Ares. Sora was still strong and quick enough to effect him.(let's not forget Hercules said he was not holding back in the fight) My point is that if he can hurt characters like Hercules then Kratos should be no problem.

You cannot assume that because something is the same size as Atlas that it is as strong as him, or that it has as much durability. That is speculation. Here's some rough math for you. From the tip of my index finger to my first joint is about 1 inch. Kratos is 6-6.5 feet tall. In game we can see how Kratos compares to the size of Atlas' finger. Kratos reaches from the tip of Atlas' finger to about 1/3 of the way to the first joint. So, if I was Atlas, Kratos would be roughly a third of an inch tall to me. I am 5 feet 11 inches tall. So, Kratos would need to be about 215 times taller to be equal to Atlas. Let's assume that Kratos is only 6 feet tall, so the difference in our height is only 1 inch. It's pretty difficult for me to lift 100 pounds because I'm an out of shape nerd. So, let's make me more like an Olympic athlete and say that I can lift 500 pounds. So, let's multiply my lifting strength by my size. 500*215=107,500. So, if I was 5 times stronger than I am now, and then I grew to be the size of Atlas, assuming my strength increased linearly, I'd be able to lift about 53.75 tons. Even if you further doubled my strength to account for Atlas having 4 arms, that's still only 107.5 tons, which means Atlas is still 55,813,953,488,372,093,023 times stronger than me, even accounting for the size difference and multiplying my strength by 10.

This is all fine and dandy for Kratos but it still doesn't support Sora not being able to hurt Kratos. All that shows is that Kratos is really strong/durable (when it calls for it). Sora has fought people >/= Kratos's strength level anyway.

The only "god" Sora has ever fought was Disney Hades, who doesn't have any impressive feats, and for that matter neither does Genie Jafar.

I used the term "gods" loosely what I meant were the many bosses Sora. Most of which who had power that contends with the Gods Kratos fought.

The tallest man made structure in the world is the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, at 2,722 feet tall it dwarfs other skyscrapers. It only weighs 500,000 tons. So even Sora's feats of chopping up skyscrapers in his fight against Xemnas are pretty insignificant to the kind of strength and durability that Atlas and Kratos have.

Sora was able to cut through six of these building in one strike with no problem at all. His strength is sufficient enough to hurt Kratos. That's the point I'm trying to make. Also what defenses does Kratos have against Sora's magic?

KH Hercules is not necessarily equivalent to the Disney Hercules that he's based on. I mean, just look at the Final Fantasy characters. Cloud is clearly depowered in the KH universe, as is Squall. You can't take feats from the TV show and movie that Disney Hercules is from and automatically say that Hercules in KH is capable of the same thing, therefore Sora is equivalent to that.

Kratos resists Hades trying to rip his soul out. The Claws of Hades are powerful magic weapons. Start of the video.

Hades kills a Titan with this ability. That's some extreme magic resistance. He also has the Golden Fleece, which is a powerful defensive item capable of reflecting things like Gorgon stares and even Zeus' lightning.

I don't believe that anything Sora has fought could contend with one of the God of War gods.

Cutting through six buildings is not equivalent to the damage that Kratos can tank. Even if those buildings were equal in size to the largest building ever made, that's still only 3 million tons. That's still only 1/1,000,000,000,000th of the weight that Kratos has been shown to tank. That's still astronomically far from Sora being able to hurt Kratos.

And Kratos has not been shown to be hurt by any "lesser" beings in cutscenes, only in pure gameplay.