Laurcus

@VinoVash1234 said:

@Lvenger: Well they couldnt have, if they wanted to analyse goku and superman at their max, then it would have been waay to long of a video, covering all their best feats, mainly supermans, will be time consuming, as they'll have to show every feat and the calculations behind it. To my understanding they displayed goku and superman at their average state of power, and compared both of them through their average means, that way no one can complain, why? because goku and superman have not been displayed at their max, and if superman wins whilst on his average scale then it would be a curbstomp if they used a fully powered superman.

No. That's not Goku at an average, that's Goku lowballed to hell. Much of their analysis is actually meaningless assumption because they didn't want to put real work into it. It doesn't mean Superman beats Goku on an average, it means literally nothing, because it's not in any way accurate to the character.

For example, they used the "Gero bomb" to calculate Goku's durability. They literally just made crap up about this. This isn't an examination of feats, it's their arbitrary whims. There is no reason to believe Gero's bomb would have even been able to kill Goku, as it's completely featless and we don't even know when it was made, so we don't know what version of Goku it was even intended for. They also just made up the bomb's output. When Bulma is examining the bomb, there's some numbers that flash on the screen. They assumed that these numbers are the bomb's output. They also assumed that the numbers were just stand ins for quadrillion megatons of TNT. They just made up whatever the hell they wanted with no basis in facts. You may as well pull up a random number generator program and just punch in number ranges while blindfolded and take whatever data comes up, because that's how accurate their calculations were.

They also didn't even calculate Goku's output. They just assumed their Gero bomb calculation for his durability was correct, and then they put his output as equal with his durability because of Newtonian physics. They didn't even look at his offensive feats and try to find some consistency with the durability they set. Their entire thing was bogus and they just made up random stats for Goku using arbitrary numbers for a bomb that could have been Gero's address for all we know. If they weren't up to the task of calculating the character's stats correct then they should have just manned the F up, admitted it and cancelled the Death Battle episode. Instead, they have not only vehemently defended their work, they have stated that this is the be all end all of the Superman vs Goku debate and that they have forever solved the argument. Bull crap with a side of dung.

@VinoVash1234 said:

@Laurcus: Its kl, im kinda late as well. Well yeah, not only did they downgrade goku but they donwngraded superman as well: 2 links, remember to try them.

http://www.screwattack.com/news/death-battle-prediction-why-superman-should-win

http://www.screwattack.com/news/problems-and-falsehoods-debunking-supermans-myths-and-others

I hardly see how putting Superman's standard output at 10 octillion megatons, (the force of his IMP) is downgrading him.

The most dangerous thing about Dante is that he can speedblitz. He can stop time with a thought using quicksilver, then he can use Yamato's judgement cut, which can cut through dimensions. So the first thing that someone needs in order to beat Dante is they need to either have a way to deal with his time stop, or they need to be able to survive judgement cut, which would require either extreme durability, or an anatomy that isn't particularly susceptible to cutting based attacks. For example, Superman may not survive judgement cut, (decapitation) but someone like Clayface or Majin Buu should be able to survive it no problem.

The next most dangerous thing Dante has is his royal guard style. With that he can make an energy shield for any attack that he can react to. This energy shield is unbreakable and it stores the energy of any attack that he blocks with it. The royal guard style then allows Dante to double that energy, convert it into his own demon energy and shoot it back out at his target. If someone allowed Dante to charge up his royal guard style on their moves, he could potentially one shot someone that is many times stronger than him. For example, if Thor were to try and brute force his way through Dante's shield, after 15 or so attacks Dante could unleash an attack that is 30 times more powerful than Thor's own attacks, effectively turning his own strength against him. The Achilles heel of this move is that it requires Dante to be able to react to the attack he's blocking. Dante himself has extreme speed and good reflexes, but he's not FTL, so any character that is could potentially speed blitz past his shield. This shield also doesn't block Dante from being grabbed. So a smart fighter that also has a strength advantage could try to grapple him.

If someone can get past all that, they still need the physical stats to be able to put him down. In speed he's easily faster than bullets. Concerning durability he's immune to bullets and has even sat on magical hellfire like it's no big deal. He has extremely ridiculous regeneration. It's good enough that he can be impaled by a sword, and when he pulls out the sword there's no visible wound. He literally heals faster than the Human eye can see. Then there's his wide array of magical weapons and such which allow him to attack in a variety of ways.

@whydama said:

@Laurcus said:

@whydama said:

The dagger given by Mehrunes Dagon (Mehrunes Razor) can kill anything. So, Dohvahkiin just has to slow time and use freezing breath.

I think Dohvahkiin should be able to kill all creatures who do not have implicit immortality (eg a god like Hercules). I just don't think the Razor will work on immortals ( I am not sure though, has anyone killed a dragon with the dagger?)

I think Dovahkiin can kill Superman (in character). Slow time, freeze breath and hope that the dagger can kill him within the few seconds that it will take for Superman to break free.

My roommate got the Razor to proc on Alduin on the first hit as soon as the final boss fight started. :) We laughed.

That must be a lol moment. Post it on youtube

Would love to, but we didn't record it.

I love Alduin, and I'd probably argue that he beats a lot of people that other users would say stomp him. I don't think he can do a thing to Franklin Richards. Even his dad would be at most around Eternity's level. Akatosh and Alduin, while powerful, are not on the level of someone like Anu, which is what it would take to beat Franklin.

@SlimJ87D said:

@Laurcus said:

http://www.screwattack.com/news/death-battle-erred-goku-vs-superman

I'll just leave this here. One of the best analyses of Goku I've ever seen. Beware, the page may crash your browser if your computer is a junker and can't handle the images loading.

Honest question. Is it the best because you never took college course physics classes or is it the best because you checked the numbers and it's accurate?

I've never taken college level physics. So I did my best to check how accurate the numbers are, but I'm sure people smarter than me could do a better job. Some of it is basic logic though, like pointing out the assumptions and speculation that Death Battle used.

Did you read it?

Ungoliant is so unquantifiable it's not even funny. Her only real feat is pwning a depowered Morgoth, yet after she drank the sap from the two trees of Valinor it took an army of Balrogs just to scare her away. It's likely she's at least as strong as a Balrog, but that's about all we can know.

http://www.screwattack.com/news/death-battle-erred-goku-vs-superman

I'll just leave this here. One of the best analyses of Goku I've ever seen. Beware, the page may crash your browser if your computer is a junker and can't handle the images loading.

@Hyperlight said:

probably alduin. he is a reality buster or something right? isnt he second to his father Akatosh... who is basically God

Lore Alduin, is basically just a planet eater. He's kind of like the Galactus of Elder Scrolls. Even his father though is not omipotent. Akatosh is more like a cosmic entity. Akatosh himself is just 2 drops of blood from the primordial deities Anu and Sithis. He's not basically God, that title belongs to his creator, Anu. While Akatosh is the time god, time is considered to be a lesser force in Elder Scrolls that the more powerful deities are not bound by.

@VinoVash1234 said:

He won alright, he owned goku

Little late to the party. Also, I'll just leave this here.

http://www.screwattack.com/news/death-battle-erred-goku-vs-superman