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#1 Edited by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@usernameunderconstruction:

1. Official description of Frosts.

2. Prove that those descriptions are hyperbole. You don't get to try and spin in game official descriptions with your own opinion. I take the facts at face value.

3. Paper accelerating to lightspeed would be shredded due to friction. If a piece of paper were gradually sped up to FTL speeds in zero gravity however, it would be just fine, and it would possess enough potential energy to destroy worlds.

@uberhikari There's no such thing as a no limits fallacy. That's an invention of the internet/comic vine and is not an officially recognized logical fallacy by any major scientific or philosophical institution.

I do however thank you for actually debating that Asura is fast enough to beat Dante, instead of just ignoring my points. I do not disagree that Asura can fly at FTL speeds, I do believe that is shown well enough in game. He does however appear to need time to accelerate, and during that time I believe Dante could equalize with Quicksilver. Concerning actual combat speed and kinesthesia I have seen no evidence that Asura can fight at FTL speeds. If you can prove that, for example, he could go from standing still to throwing a punch at FTL speeds, then we'd be getting somewhere.

@neongamewave Sup. It was the weekend, I was bored, and Game of Thrones season 4 ended. Seemed like a good idea at the time.

#2 Posted by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@usernameunderconstruction: I showed you a video of Royal Block blocking the hardest hitting move in the game. I also provided the official description, which is > your opinion. You're not gonna find a video of someone doing Royal Block correctly and taking damage, so like it or not the game agrees with me.

You have repeatedly misunderstood everything I've said, and you're now even contesting basic physics, so I don't even know how to help you there. An average sheet of paper weighs 4.5 grams. 4.5 Grams moving at 100x lightspeed is 483.31719697844 megatons of TNT. And as you increase the speed more, the kinetic energy goes up, because K=1/2mv^2. If you want to crank it up to something truly retarded like 100 duodecillion times lightspeed, then your piece of paper will explode galaxies, because that's how physics works.

#3 Edited by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@usernameunderconstruction:

I've provided feats. You not accepting them isn't my problem. The laser is the savior's strongest attack, and the savior's weakest attacks one shot mid level demon soldiers, which can do crap like freeze entire active volcanoes with a touch.

Once again, you've failed at reading. I never said paper could kill a human, (though funnily enough, if a human were to be hit by a piece of paper moving at supersonic speeds, the human would be shredded) I said a paper thin cut all the way through the center of the brain would kill someone. You know, like if you took a scalpel and cut someone's brain in half? It's a turn of phrase ffs.

I did read my own argument, you're trying to misinterpret what I'm saying. I'm open to the idea of Yamato hurting Asura, but I doubt it could. If you want to argue that it can, be my guest, but I've said my piece on that so you're on your own there.

And yes, I do believe Royal Block can block "multiversal damage", (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean, as potential energy isn't limited by size, but whatever) because it's blocked everything that's ever been thrown at it, and it's stated to negate all damage. It's like a star from Super Mario, only it's not weak to falling off edges, and it kills you.

That being said, Dante would get owned by the likes of Superman. I'm not saying Dante is some god that beats everybody; his powers just require you to have a particular skill set to be able to beat him. Superman could totally speed blitz Dante into oblivion. Asura can't, so he has no way that I've seen to get through "lame block" as you've so childishly taken to calling it.

#4 Edited by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@usernameunderconstruction:

1. Don't be a prick. If you can't debate without acting like a condescending child, then you probably shouldn't do it at all.

2. If you bothered to read my post, you'd realize I was arguing in favor of Yamato NOT being able to hurt Asura. I said that I can see it, not because it has enough area of effect to blow up a country, or some other asinine assumption, but because of its raw cutting power. Even a paper thin cut all the way through the center of someone's brain will kill them, and all I was saying is that if any of Dante's weapons cut hurt Asura, it would be Yamato, via what is essentially brain surgery.

3. Official description of DMC 4 Royal Block: Block an enemy's attack at the last second to negate all damage and greatly increase the angry energy stored within the Royal Gauge.

Royal Block in action, taking a giant laser beam that could most certainly blow up a small city.

Like it or not, the official description of the ability, as well as all known applications in game, are on my side. Dante's Royal Block negates all damage, so to beat Dante you need to out speed him, to throw off the timing of his blocks. And that's pretty damn hard with his control over time.

#5 Edited by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@godofnick: Concerning offense, Dante has magic guns and magic swords. If Mercer can hurt himself, Dante can take his power and multiply it several fold, then throw it back at him. He also has a plethora of magic weapons in addition to his guns, he can shoot hellfire at things, magic lightning, ice, attacks of pure light, you name it. As much as he is a powerful warrior, he's also basically a mage.

Concerning speed, that is Dante messing around. He doesn't even have Devil Trigger at that point, which vastly increases all his physical attributes, including speed.

Even if Mercer was faster, as I said, Dante can stop time. He has superhuman speed on top of the ability to make his opponent move like a snail. A lot of Dante's best speed feats come from other games. The thing about DMC 3 is the only time Dante is fighting seriously is when he fights his brother

Sorry for the horrible quality of videos. It should be obvious to anyone that watches all the videos I've linked that Dante is capable of fighting with both superhuman speed and reflexes. His damn sword is glowing from friction with the air and he runs along the side of a building and catches it. Fyi, this is him at his youngest, weakest point in the series. Later on he moves so fast he can literally just blink out of attacks like he's some freakish anime character. And this is in addition to time stop. Think about that for a moment. Even if Mercer was 10,000 times faster than him, Dante can stop time, casually walk up to him, and then blast him with hellfire, magic bullets and other energy attacks until there's nothing left.

As far as I'm concerned this isn't even a fight unless Mercer has some kind of counter time control powers. And then we need to worry about if Dante's super speed and other hacks defenses like Royal Block, (which you have ignored) would be enough. Also, show proof that beheading or destroying his heart will kill him. He's taken direct damage to both his heart and brain before and been no worse for wear. Hell, stabbing Dante through the heart with a magic sword is tradition in DMC, he literally carries on conversations with a big freaking sword sticking out of him, impaled through his heart.

Destroying things like choppers is trivial. Dante has tanked magical blasts from Satan himself, and note my earlier example of frosts and freezing volcanoes.

#6 Edited by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@godofnick: Dante can stop time.

Dante's guns don't shoot regular bullets, Dante conjures an infinite amount of magical bullets. As for durability feats, he's been repeatedly stabbed by demonic weapons and shrugged it off like it was nothing. The only thing in DMC 3 that is really able to hurt him is Vergil's weapon Yamato, a sword that can cut through dimensions. Even being stabbed through the heart and shot in the head didn't really slow him down all that much. He's also tanked directed ice based attacks from Frosts, elite demon soldiers that can freeze an active volcano with a touch.

If you want to talk about feats from later games, he's outmuscled a giant construct capable of smashing cities, he can move faster than the eye can see, (without stopping time) and he has an assortment of various demonic magical weapons that are the souls of demon lords taken physical form.

What's more, Dante has this nifty ability called Royal Guard, which has 2 important components. One is Royal Block, which is a shield that Dante can throw up, (it requires precise timing, which is rather simple with Quicksilver) that can literally block anything. Demonic hellfire, bullets, rockets, giant lasers, dimension cutting magic swords, all of it can be blocked with Royal Guard, allowing Dante to take no damage. Royal Block stores the energy of the attacks it blocks.

The second component is Royal Release, which allows Dante to release and multiply the stored energy from all his Royal Blocks. So to put it in layman's terms, if you try to punch Dante in the face, you actually punch yourself 10 times all at once.

The following is a gameplay demonstration of Royal Guard, among other abilities. That thing where he dashes through attacks is Royal Release, the energy shield that protects him from all damage is Royal Block.

#7 Posted by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

Nothing like taking over a year off Comic Vine and finding that a thread you were posting in is still active. I see the same thing I saw last time I was here; lots of people saying Asura stomps while ignoring Royal Guard. To answer the question that's been asked many times, "What can a Bacteria do to a Human?" the Bacteria can make the Human punch himself to death.

Yamato hurting Asura... I don't know, I'd label it as possible but sketchy. Royal Block is Dante's one fully reliable means of winning, and I'd love to see an Asura fan come up with some kind of argument for how Asura is going to get past it. Like, don't just say, "Asura punches Dante's head off!" or "Dante's too small!!!" Actually take like 5 seconds to examine the other side's point of view, and then post how you believe Asura could deal with Royal Guard. Is it so hard to offer a real counter argument?

#8 Posted by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@i2edshift I think a 22 strength is reasonable for Drizzt. It's not meant to be realistic. It's just kind of how D&D works; he's high level therefore he's powerful. We don't really have a real life equivalent to levels, though the benefits that levels grant can be quantified with real life science.

Sure, if it was the real world, a 16 strength would be more appropriate. But this isn't the real world, and Drizzt is epic, meaning he's practically a demigod.

The damage comparison does translate between different versions. Sure, pretty much everything else about stats has changed, (a 22 strength can lift 520 pounds in 3.x, not 440) but damage is actually the same. A longsword does 1d8 damage in 3.x and 4, a dagger does 1d4 in both. There's no reason to assume that modern and future weapons would change if the basic ones didn't. So, an antimatter rifle should still be 8d8 damage. By the stats, Drizzt can legit tank an antimatter rifle shot to the face.

#9 Posted by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@pr0metheus No, not as far as I'm aware. In fact, the "fluff" as lore stuff is typically called in nerdy roleplaying circles, usually matches very closely with the stats. D&D as a game is as much about roleplaying and story as it is about having big numbers and hitting stuff. and the core rulebooks certainly make no separation between story and game mechanics.

In fact I even recall reading this interesting bit of text, I think it was in the 3.5 Dungeon Master's Guide, about what HP represents. In short, it represents your ability to take hits. The passage said something along the lines of, if a powerful red dragon breathes fire at a barbarian, and the barbarian survives only by virtue of his large amount of hp, the damage he took does not represent that he dodged out of the way and expended effort, or anything like that. He really did tank it with his chest, much to the surprise of anyone watching. D&D characters are incredibly unrealistic like that. :)

Drizzt was written by R.A. Salvatore, but he's still an official D&D character in an official Wizards of the Coast campaign setting, with official stats. And for me, official stats are way easier to quantify than "he moved ridiculously fast and cut that big guy's head off".

#10 Posted by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

Drizzt's power is quite literally legendary, and he's certainly a lot more powerful than most people here give him credit for.

One thing to understand about Drizzt, is that he gets more powerful over time. In his third edition stats, he was level 16. Fast forward a few hundred years and he's in 4th edition, where he's risen to a level 21 solo, which is equivalent to a level 26 character. This is significant for a few reasons.

First off, normal people can't get higher than level 20. It's simply not possible, and doing so means you're officially an Epic Level character. Non D&D players at this point are probably thinking, "Okay, the hell does that actually mean?". It means he's many times tougher, stronger and faster than an average person. How much better can be quantified to a point as the D&D rules gives some benchmarks.

An average human commoner, regular Joe Bob, has 4 hp. A longsword does 1-8 points of damage, and crits for x2 damage. When someone is dropped to 0 hp they don't die instantly in D&D, they enter the dying phase, where they essentially start bleeding to death. This stops at -10 where someone actually dies. What this means, is that a good strong hit with a sword, even by someone with average strength, can easily kill an average dude. A critical hit represents landing a particularly devastating blow, something like scoring a direct hit on a vital organ. So basically, a 16 damage critical is like stabbing a guy in the brain.

D&D also has stats for modern weapons. A typical hunting rifle does 2-20 damage and crits for 4-40. Possible to survive, but a direct hit is going to cripple you, best case scenario, and a direct hit to a vital area is almost certain death. A typical grenade does 4-24 damage, so at absolute best you're going to be crippled if you're caught in a grenade's explosion, and if it goes off next to you, you're chunks.

"What does this have to do with anything Laurcus?" Stay with me, I'm getting there. Level 16 Drizzt has 124 hp. What this means is that while you can certainly hurt with things like guns and grenades, even several direct hits does not guarantee death. When you take into account his armor class, which is a number that represents his combined defenses from his skill, agility, magic armor, etc, he's pretty damn hard to hurt. He could easily, for example, take down a room full of gun wielding bad guys. That's level 16 Drizzt though. Level 21 solo Drizzt is much more powerful, having hundreds of years of experience he now has 764 hp. A single hit from one of Drizzt's weapons inflicts 15-29 damage, and he crits for 30-96 damage. When he's really focused, he can deal an extra 3-18 damage. Fyi, an antimatter rifle crits for 16-128 damage. So, taking a hit from one of his swords is, on some level, equivalent to being shot in the face with what is essentially a laser sniper rifle.

Through his stats, we can also know exactly how much weight Drizzt can lift. With his strength score of 22, he can deadlift 440 pounds and even move while doing so, though at reduced speed. He can push or drag 1,100 pounds. This is important to know, because strength isn't really Drizzt's thing. There are real life humans stronger than him, though not many. He achieves the majority of his results through his raw skill, speed and his magical gear.

I don't know much about Iron Fist, so I'm not gonna say Drizzt beats him or anything, I just want to set the record straight on Drizzt. I saw the term "peak human" being thrown out a lot to represent Drizzt, and I know, while he's not as strong as a peak human, he's certainly much better than a peak human in combat. Another thing to consider however, is that these stats are almost 5 years old, and 5th edition D&D comes out next month . Sooner or later, Drizzt's stats will be updated for the new version, and he will very likely be even stronger, as he has had more adventures over the years and will likely continue to do so for the foreseeable future.