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#1 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

Xena does have impressive strength feats. But I'd wager Daredevils are a little better.

Feats like knocking out tigers and restraining a Lion.

To feats like tossing over a car filled with 3 people.

#2 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@gojira2014 said:

@krauser99:

Yes but she never beat him one on one was my point. The times she fought Callisto as a God she never really stood a chance against her. My point is she would have to outsmart a god by getting caves to fall on her to tons of rocks or trick her into fighting another God to fall in malten Lava as she would be sort of out of her league against them. But you get my point on this. She does not have super human stats on a level that she is beyond the human nature from training and experience.

Does it matter? She never could win a fight to the death, yet Xena still beaten Callisto, Velasca, and Ares time and again with NO PREP or outside help. She finds way to contain them or beat them.

Yes and yet she does it in a believable manner that is acceptable for a human to do it.

Also your wrong on the fact she cannot kill gods as Xena later learned her Chakram can kill gods a few seasons later.

And she fused her Chakram and took away that ability hence why Ares did not want it anymore, watch the entire episode. Unless you are lying on purpose.

Also are you freaking joking on the stats!? Im sorry but show me a typical human of any day and age in life that can jump 100 feet, back flip 20 feet up vertical surfeaces, or kick a human over 50 feet. Then we can talk.

Big deal. When Xena inhabited the body of a little girl she was still doing fancy flips and when she inhabited the future body of a joxer character in the future he stalemated Ares. It is her skill, experience and training that is impressive. More so then her stats even the King of Thieves did those same type of jumps and leaps. Still human though. Daredevil himself does these types of regular leaps. In fact he jumped straight down from a building and leaped onto another one. No billy club not or gear. Building fall from what looks like a 50 story fall and then ninja jumps to another building. Let's see Xena top that.

None of these are facts, but are all possibilities the show has hinted as.

I never said they were facts dude. I said they were hinted and i think they make sense. NEVER SAID FACTS!

Exactly and the facts are she is mortal. Ares said it. Gabriel said it. And more importantly Xena said it. It's like everyone knows it accept you.

Hercules is stated as Mortal but many times he is reference as half Mortal just like you with this are telling a "half" truth. Many times he's noted with the strength of a God because this is "true". With Xena this is not the case at all and just Mortal is her cliche. An impressive as Ares has noted this once with phrases like your the only mortal I know that can sense me. But this does not take anything away from her. Nor does it change my main point. More below.

Being empowers from skills of Chi or possible Demi God would still make her a Mortal. We do not know why she has these abilities, and I only make guesses. She is mortal and never stated otherwise ever.

Skills, training, and experience. I agree with.

Again yes you are right with Callisto became immortal. But being immortal didn't enhance her strength now did. Callisto is not as skilled as Xena for the reason to why she loses often not because she does not have her main strength feats.

no it just allows her to fight reckless and tank devastating blows with NO CONSEQUENCE. Without her immortal amp herc would have beaten her handily. She was easily dealt with by a tired Hercules who already saved Callisto 3 times from booby traps in that episode. callisto had a good upper hand till herc gain his wind back. So while Callisto is good fighter, she is a tier lower than Herc and Xena.

Yes but she still gave them problems. Herc because he is better/holds back his strength and is more skilled then Callisto. Xena because she is more better period.

Season 4 episode the Crusader. A normal human the Crusader who's only special gift was hearing the "jin" religious faith. Defeated Xena as Xena stated she kicked her butt. Gabriel stated the same thing. Xena even could not defeat her in a fair fight. She could do back flips like Xena to catch even mid flight arrows. Again impressive but nothing outside the league of Daredevil.

Oh no, one low showing where Plot ictated someone beat Xena. DD also lost fights to Punisher in hand to hand. Punisher is nowhere near Xena abilities. Your point?!

I have no problem with Punisher giving DD problems he is that good but is always portrayed a bit weaker in hand to hand. Kind of like Callisto and Xena. Your problems is that Xena lost to a normal human who was just as skilled as her. This can also happen to Daredevil mind you. But my point is that the gap of Xena being superior to DD like you say is not so. Feat wise DD is better debatable but a good case can be made more so for him.

Also there are the many times Xena strength was shown on a mortal level. Like the many times swords man or random thug swords mans are able to hit her sword with there strength to knock out the sword out of her hand. Also the hunter of the hoarde also gave Xena much problems and he was completely human also though Xena did kill him. in Season 4: Episode Daghter of Pumira.

Yes, there been a HANDFUL of times that happen, but yet way more showings of overpowering people than the low showings. Wolverine has been taken down by Punisher using guns and such, but those are not feats we use to discuss Wolverine's healing factor on average. low ball much?

Punisher is good with prep nothing wrong with that. Him with that type of prep would kill Xena and his damage soak is probably better then Xena when looked at consistently. Your low ball attempt fails while you don't like to look at Xena in a consistent manner.

Accept with Xena herself confirming she is mortal in another episode that I already brought. Even Ares stated he is not the father obviously as long that the Fury's believed the lie that was the point. Xena was even killed by a log ramming her in one episode but she survived due to her soul lingering and the help of the god fruit embrosia

No you really didn't and it has been proven she is completely human. No half God half anything but human.

She is proven mortal and was hinted at being a Demi God. Your really not making sense at all here. She was never stated not a Demi God and only hinted at. They never stated she was super human for any reason.

The burden of proof to say i am 100% wrong is on you. Find me a quote or statement why Xena is super human. Its never stated I know that much, only "teases" and "hints" are dropped here and there. nothing concrete one way or another. You keep harping she can die, so freaking what!? Does not take away the possibility she uses Chi to amp her stats, or take away maybe she is a demi god!

Your trying to act like your right, but provide nothing concrete solid that i am wrong other than your own Opinion and Views.

Again she is mortal. Not demi god not true superhuman like Hercules.

Ok. Fine show me a tv episode of her saying she willl summon chi outside of the chi episode.

You expect me to waste my f***ing time capturing video to please your ego? no thanks.

I will point out the facts of her using Chi/Life force energy in ways 99% or average mortals cannot though.

  • Learns Chi powers in The Debt 1.
  • Masters Chi powers in The Debt 2.
  • Xena lives on as a Spirit and possessed Autolycus (King of Theives) in The Quest.
  • Xena lives on as a spirit to possess a future relative to battle Ares post WW1 in the Xena Scrolls.
  • Xena lives as a Spirit to help Gabriel in the final episode of A Friend In Need 2.
  • Xena learns new chi/spirit and uses them in episodes Purity and Back In the Bottle.
  • Xena summons Chi chakrams to win a fight in the episode Between the Lines.
  • Xena meditates and battles in a spiritual state against Alti in episode Adventures In Sin Trade 2.

Look at that, 8 episodes dealing with the use of Chi/Spirtual energy..... my gosh.

Not saying she can just use chi energy to the same level she had vs the Green Dragon, she lost that ability when she chose revenge and murder over forgiveness. Does not change the fact she learned and has showed knowledge in Chi/Spiritual powers in various episodes period.

Yes she gained it again through a book but it was different as she stated this time the power had a will of its own and she could not make it do what she wanted(like the first time) and even the other daughter was using it. Again at the end of the episode Xena stated she lost it again. That is a plot story pointless as far as what a standard Xena is. But unlike Xena. DD always has access to his chi abilities unlike Xena. Which has has shown to heal himself while Stick trained him. He has shown to purge heal Elektra on his first try. He has shown while meditating to chi heal himself.

Technically he wouldn't be able to do that in a fight since it requires time. But you get the idea.



With my job life and family responsiblities...no thanks but I will debate you here for it allows time frames easier for me and so others can see. From here you can put it up to a poll or something if you wish. But does not matter to me as you are being a bit biased.

No need to debate. you clearly just like to twist words around and make empty statements about a character you clearly know little about.

Well I am. And I have not seen you show that Xena is superior.

#3 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio
@gojira2014 said:

@krauser99:

Actually after recalling the episode note that was not Dayhawk himself but a servent of him that was powered up that Xena sent into the pit while Gabriel was floating in the air and was impregenated by his seed Hope IIRC.

Xena never beaten Dayhawk in a one on one fight, because Dayhawk was never empowered enough to enter our realm thanks to Xena thwarting him and Hope every time. i never stated she went to hell and fought him or something, just that she defied this powerful anti god and won every time.

Yes but she never beat him one on one was my point. The times she fought Callisto as a God she never really stood a chance against her. My point is she would have to outsmart a god by getting caves to fall on her to tons of rocks or trick her into fighting another God to fall in malten Lava as she would be sort of out of her league against them. But you get my point on this. She does not have super human stats on a level that she is beyond the human nature from training and experience.

Xena also fought Ares and Callisto as a God but that is neither here nor there towards the reference that Xena stated she is "mortal". This is kind of changing the goal post. It's like me bring up Daredevil fight with Ultron. No real relevence to if Xena is a human or a half God or a God. Xena stated she is a mortal. And Daredevil giving Ultron problems is irrelevent that he is human either.

Hercules is also stated Mortal. Being a Demi God does not mean Xena cannot be Mortal, it just makes sense why she is so successful against Gods and supernatural powerful beings. The show merely has tried to feed the audience at the time why Xena is super human. There was another episode where Xena Spirit possess the body of her future bloodline to fight Ares post WW1 in the Xena Scrolls episode. Does that sound merely non super human to you? There is no direct statement to Xena superhuman ability or why it is, just multiple hints of possible chi manipulation, empowered by the Gods (the Chakram was also said in another episode to grant Xena power to fight gods as well her memories!), or the simple fact she may be a Demi God like Hercules.

None of these are facts, but are all possibilities the show has hinted as.

Hercules is stated as Mortal but many times he is reference as half Mortal just like you with this are telling a "half" truth. Many times he's noted with the strength of a God because this is "true" for his abilities unlike the mortal Xena. With Xena this is not the case at all and just Mortal is her cliche. An impressive as Ares has noted this once with phrases like your the only mortal I know that can sense me. But this does not take anything away from her. Nor does it change my main point. More below.

Callisto also before she became a true God gave even a half God like Hercules problems, as she explained to Xena, she is that good only because Xena made her that good because of the revenge and hatred in her heart. But she to has only mortal stats. She has incredible feats for a mortal. But so do many fictional characters is my main point.

Callisto has great skill, but also has NONE of the major super human feats Xena has either. Callisto also lost every fight against Xena when she was mortal pretty handily. The only time she beat Xena was using her ruthless to put others in danger so Xena could not focus on her. Thats a fact. Also Callisto was Immortal when she fought Hercules, and lost that too.

Again yes you are right with Callisto became immortal. But being immortal didn't enhance her strength now did it, which doesn't take away my point of her giving Hercules problems. Callisto is not as skilled as Xena for the reason to why she loses often, not because she does not have her main strength feats.

Season 4 episode the Crusader. A normal human the Crusader who's only special gift was hearing the "jin" religious faith. Defeated Xena as Xena stated she kicked her butt. Gabriel stated the same thing defeated Xena pretty handily. Xena even could not defeat her in a fair fight and used Gabriel to throw off her focus to defeat her in a rematch. She could do back flips like Xena... to catch even mid flight arrows. Again impressive but nothing outside the league of Daredevil. Showing that a normal human with impressive skills and experience can defeat Xena.

Also there are the many times Xena strength was shown on a mortal level. Like the many times swords man or random thug swords mans are able to hit her sword with there strength.... to knock out the sword out of her hand(happened many times throught out the tv series). Also the hunter of the hoarde also gave Xena much problems and he was completely human also though Xena did kill him. in Season 4: Episode Daughter of Pumira.

Xena strength couldn't even pull her horse Argo out of the tent of her enemies against Argo not wanting to leave. Xena ended up flat on her face in the dirt. Not to belittle Xena but this talk of half god/demi God Xena is really reaching.

Accept with Xena herself confirming she is mortal in another episode that I already brought. Even Ares stated he is not the father obviously as long that the Fury's believed the lie that was the point. Xena was even killed by a log ramming her in one episode but she survived due to her soul lingering and the help of the god fruit embrosia.

Again I explained above, being Mortal does not mean she is not a Demi God at all. Hercules is stated mortal because he can die! Still a Demi God. Same with Achilles, he was a Demi God by myth, yet he still died. Demi God does not equal Immortal at all.

No you really didn't and it has been proven she is completely human. No half God half anything but human.

She can do incredible feats but you saying she is a demi god when Xena calls herself a mortal proves you wrong. As well as her potent chi powers due to her losing her purity essence as she stated was the reason why she can summon that type of power. Knowing how to do it is one but being able to is quite another.

OMG stop with the mortal bit please! I explained above....

Just because you don't like the truth doesn't change it? Learn to accept it.

She is not a half god nor a demi god and the mention to try to make Xena more then what she is is not applicable since its just that a thoery but lacking to her mortality truth. Xena stated this herself that she is just human when fighting Dayhawk servent. Ares stated this himself as well when Xena impressed him in sensing her.

Even Gabriel gets on to her, for Xena was complaining that she let a demon warrior slice her up. Gabriel stated simply Xena your just human. And Xena of course does not deny it.

As for the second part the facts are facts. She has learned to use chi. fact. she has been able to do it in different ways in different battles more than twice and in more than two seasons. She has learned to use Chi and has shown ability to use it more than once. This in turn explains how xena may have Super Human abilities that defy gravity. Never said its fact, just possible explanation. What is fact is her skill knowledge is so high that she learn to use chi martial arts in months where others take all their lives. Testament to her skill.

Ok. Fine show me a tv episode of her saying she willl summon chi outside of the chi episode.

You saying she punks Daredevil is a illogical opinion. But since you are lying on stuff from the TV series has me question your ability to decide who wins a fight in this or not. Daredevil has done some impressive chi healings to ninja vanishes. So I to can assume his building level jumps are chi jumps and brick breaking.... to even car lifting with 3 people inside is all Chi strength related?

I never lied about anything, you are making very faulty statements and twisting my words to make it look like I am lying about something. Which I find shallow.

Fair enough but you seem to have half baked theories.

That would be nonsense for me to assume that unless it is stated on panel when he does the actual feat itself. But that is the type of logic that you are using for Xena. Xena at times is portrayed very mortal to being knocked out by the handle of a sword(when she is not paying attention) to a weakend Garbriel tacking her over a cliff. Daredevil to gets this treatment at times but both can summon impresive stuff with there feats the majority times as well.

But your statements make me question your take on her is all I'm saying.

I question anything you say at all due to how badly you mauled the facts already. Xena durability is not perfect, but then Spider Man has had trouble with punisher. Do we argue peak humans vs Spider Man? no, cuase Spider man would stomp. xena has fought consistently Gods way above her and won 90% of the time. Daredevil however feat for feat is inferior to Xena in every way except maybe that magical comic blunt damage where peak humans can tank hits from Hulk which happens all the time :/

  • Xena is still as fast, as strong, as durable, and honestly by multiple feats way more Agile/Gravity Defying than Daredevil.
  • She has way more shown skill mastery than Daredevil too. S
  • he has no morals on killing which is always a advantage too.
  • She also has better weapons in bladed weapons and the Chakram.

Conclusion is she would PUNK Daredevil period. You wantto CaV this to try and prove Matt can take her? I bee happy to prove why Xena is superior by far everyday.

No she wouldn't. You talk like a poster that gets banned often around here. Are you Candence? LOL.........is that you?

Anyways no she's as her athletic ability is not superior to DD. No offense DD feats in speed are better and is arguably stronger to.

With my job life and family responsiblities...no thanks but I will debate you here for it allows time frames easier for me and so others can see. From here you can put it up to a poll or something if you wish. But does not matter to me as you are being a bit biased.

#4 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@gojira2014 said:

@krauser99:

Actually when Xena was fight Dayhawk she confirmed she is just a mortal giving him trouble. The episode where she stated Ares was her farther, was shown to be false as she used it to make the Fury's believe it to take the judgement off of her which was.... persecution and madness. Her mother killed her father as explained in the episode because he got drunk. So no to the demi god.

first, yes Dayhawk is way beyond her as his power alone was superior to than whole Pantheon. However Xena still stopped him/it personally and his daughter Hope several times.

Actually after recalling the episode note that was not Dayhawk himself but a servent of him that was powered up that Xena sent into the pit while Gabriel was floating in the air and was impregenated by his seed Hope IIRC.

Xena also fought Ares and Callisto as a God but that is neither here nor there towards the reference that Xena stated she is "mortal". This is kind of changing the goal post. It's like me bring up Daredevil fight with Ultron. No real relevence to if Xena is a human or a half God or a God. Xena stated she is a mortal. And Daredevil giving Ultron problems is irrelevent that he is human either.

Callisto also before she became a true God gave even a half God like Hercules problems, as she explained to Xena, she is that good only because Xena made her that good because of the revenge and hatred in her heart. But she to has only mortal stats. She has incredible feats for a mortal. But so do many fictional characters is my main point.

In the episode of Season 2, there was more than what you just stated which is all out of context. Her husband showed up to the house while he was suppose to be away at battle and that was when Xena was conceived. Ares is known to visit visit the wives of soldiers as Xena said, and what he said to her in that episode also made further sense to her to make the possible conclusion. The Father did come home from war, got drunk and was killed. Does not change the fact the suppose mortal father was away at a war at the time which did happen. Further more Ares nor xena confirmed or deny if what she said was true or lie. She simply said as long the Furies believed it.

There was no fact at the end of that episode, only more questions.

Accept with Xena herself confirming she is mortal in another episode that I already brought. Even Ares stated he is not the father obviously as long that the Fury's believed the lie that was the point. Xena was even killed by a log ramming her in one episode but she survived due to her soul lingering and the help of the god fruit embrosia.

As for her channeling chi powers that is not standard Xena. As explained in the episode where she fought a big army. Gabriel asked her to just use here powers, that she gained in Asia. As Xena explained in that episode she can never tap into that power again.

She cannot use her super chi powers because she chose murder over forgiveness. This does not change the fact Xena performs outrageous super human moves after she learned chi powers, and later seasons in India Xena made chi Chakrams as well other showings of chi/spirtual powers to save the day. The facts is she learned chi powers. never stated she has them, she has learned them and cannot use them mostly due to her inner turmoil.

She can do incredible feats but you saying she is a demi god when Xena calls herself a mortal proves you wrong. As well as her potent chi powers due to her losing her purity essence as she stated was the reason why she can summon that type of power. Knowing how to do it is one but being able to is quite another.

It was a one time plot episode like Hercules gaining real super speed in a different land and would lose it in traveling in other lands or Herc plots of becoming a God 4-5 times through the series and younger years as well but that is not standard Hercules. Granted I just know the TV series of Xena and Hercules well but don't care for nor have the comic series.

And no she is not beyond Matt in stats and skill.

So far you seem wrong on many things here and simply chose the facts she learned Chi Powers and used chi in various episodes in various seasons, and just because she loses said powers due to her turmoil (like choosing to kill the Green Dragon emperor which is why she lost those powers you fondly brought up lol) is no reason to discount the fact she learned the skill and art to do it. Nor change the facts she used Chi in other episodes in other ways. Saying she is not a Demi god after misquoting the whole episode you claim to watch does not change the fact it was never stated one way or the other, and considering her clearly above Matt in super human ability, mostly likely she is a Demi God if someone chose to believe that. or you can believe she manipulates chi to achieve the feats regardless. Or chose to beleive she is so skilled, like Karate Kid in DC comics Xena is super human from her skill lol.

Either way Daredevil is a punk to her.

You saying she punks Daredevil is a illogical opinion. But since you are lying on stuff from the TV series has me question your ability to decide who wins a fight in this or not. Daredevil has done some impressive chi healings to ninja vanishes. So I to can assume his building level jumps are chi jumps and brick breaking.... to even car lifting with 3 people inside is all Chi strength related?

That would be nonsense for me to assume that unless it is stated on panel when he does the actual feat itself. But that is the type of logic that you are using for Xena. Xena at times is portrayed very mortal to being knocked out by the handle of a sword(when she is not paying attention) to a weakend Garbriel tacking her over a cliff. Daredevil to gets this treatment at times but both can summon impresive stuff with there feats the majority times as well.

But your statements make me question your take on her is all I'm saying.

#5 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@gojira2014 said:

@jashro44 said:

@gojira2014: IIRC he has dual pistols as standard gear right? If so I'll allow those.

It is hinted she maybe part demi god, and its also shown several times that she can channel chi like energies. So that may be the reason for it. Regardless she is far beyond Matt in stats and skill.

Actually when Xena fought the God Dayhawk she confirmed she is just a mortal giving him trouble. The episode where she stated Ares was her farther, was shown to be false, as she used it to make the Fury's believe it to take the judgement off of her which was.... persecution and madness. Her mother killed her father as explained in the episode because he got drunk. So no to the demi god. Not sure where you get this idea.

As for her channeling chi powers that is not standard Xena. As explained in the episode where she fought a big army. Gabriel asked her to just use here powers, that she gained in Asia. As Xena explained in that episode she can never tap into that power again.

It was a one time plot episode like Hercules gaining real super speed in a different land and would lose it in traveling in other lands or Herc plots of becoming a God 4-5 times through the series and younger years as well but that is not standard Hercules. Granted I just know the TV series of Xena and Hercules well but don't care for nor have the comic series.

Outside of her chi one time powers. Considering DD has feats of stalemating 100 Yakuza super enhanced on HGH, ninja vanishing on snipers, batting away bullets, to lifting up cars, and pressure point characters with vast durability like Hyde or effecting Nuke.

I'd wager she isn't beyond him in stats or skill.

#6 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

It can go 50/50 with Cap and Ult Hawk. Personally I give them a slight edge.

Taskmaster has proved he can beat 616 Cap. But 616 Cap has proven the same thing IMO. When you consider there stalemates/advantages.

#7 Posted by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

I think I'll give it to Nuke/Creed but it's hard for me to decide.

#8 Posted by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2

#9 Posted by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

Panther or Deathstroke or Cap or Logan

These are my main picks but I can see other characters winning this as well.

#10 Posted by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

Classic Kingpin could take this, dunno about current Fisk.

He's still a beast for sure.

I'd imagine he is much stronger then Kraven and KP is known to train in martial arts.