It is official, I am done with Didio's DC

I was saddened by the news that J.H. Williams and company was leaving Batwoman after issue 26. Now Didio has announced a new writer was taking over with issue 25. Plus on top of that the book will have Zero Year tie in.

I was going to give the new guy a chance, but after this I'm done. I will not purchase anything with Didio's name on it. Period.

Sadly enough, it was the New 52 that brought me back into comics. I've seen many titles ruined over the past few years. I still enjoy Lemire's Animal Man and Azzarello's Wonder Woman and I will miss those titles. It's only a matter of time until Didio jacks up those titles as well.

I'll also drop all Vertigo titles as well. Oh well, now I have more money to spend on Image, Dark Horse, and Marvel books.

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Posted by Marionettegeist

@knighthood: If you still like those titles you could always buy used. That way Didio's filthy mitts wont lay a hand on your money.

Posted by Mercy_

I'm grappling with this myself right now.

I'm torn between not wanting to support the overall editorial mandates and DC/DC itself and really wanting to support stuff being put out by creators whose work I love.

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Posted by knighthood

@dctv3363 said:

@knighthood: If you still like those titles you could always buy used. That way Didio's filthy mitts wont lay a hand on your money.

Perhaps, that's a decent approach. It still will not support the creators.

Didio just needs to get the boot.

Posted by knighthood

From CBR...

In his statement, DiDio emphasized the character. “When we introduced Batwoman back in 2006, we took a huge risk at DC Comics, we went and did something unprecedented: we made one of our major characters gay.” The co-publisher then stressed that at the time of this decision, for those involved with this creative choice “it was something that we thought about, something we considered. . .we were very committed to doing that.”

So gay is risky to Didio? What? I'm not even pro-gay or anything like that, but his comments shows where his heart is. Idiot.

Posted by Jake Fury

@mercy_ said:

I'm grappling with this myself right now.

I'm torn between not wanting to support the overall editorial mandates and DC/DC itself and really wanting to support stuff being put out by creators whose work I love.

It's a difficult decision. I know we agree on a lot of titles and creators so I say keep supporting them, their hard work deserves it.

Posted by The_Tree

@mercy_ said:

I'm grappling with this myself right now.

I'm torn between not wanting to support the overall editorial mandates and DC/DC itself and really wanting to support stuff being put out by creators whose work I love.

It's a difficult decision. I know we agree on a lot of titles and creators so I say keep supporting them, their hard work deserves it.

And Didio is going to get paid either way, so the only people it really hurts are the creators.

Edited by Marionettegeist

@the_tree: Well I think the hope is the decreased sales would finally be enough to get Didio fired, but I doubt enough people will stop reading DC to do that.

Posted by knighthood

@the_tree said:

@jake_fury said:

@mercy_ said:

I'm grappling with this myself right now.

I'm torn between not wanting to support the overall editorial mandates and DC/DC itself and really wanting to support stuff being put out by creators whose work I love.

It's a difficult decision. I know we agree on a lot of titles and creators so I say keep supporting them, their hard work deserves it.

And Didio is going to get paid either way, so the only people it really hurts are the creators.

I'm just going to look for their creator owned work. And avoid DC/Vertigo like the plague.

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@dctv3363 said:

@the_tree: Well I think the hope is the decreased sales would finally be enough to get Didio fired, but I doubt enough people will stop reading DC to do that.

It's a fool's errand if you ask me. The only way I see DiDio getting fired is if he f###ed up so bad that sales began to drop all across the board for DC, he said or did something incredibly offensive, or if WB just felt like cleaning house and getting new blood. The first two things I don't really see happening, and the last thing wouldn't happen until years from now, if ever.

There're also more problems than just DiDio. There's Bob Harras, for instance.

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@dctv3363 said:

@the_tree: Well I think the hope is the decreased sales would finally be enough to get Didio fired, but I doubt enough people will stop reading DC to do that.

I'd hope so, the DC market share has steadily declined. It seems the only way they can outsell Marvel is by rebooting or doing gimmicks like the 0 month or this month's villain month. March and April seems like the New 52's lowest point yet. I'm sure the Superman movie and the event boosted sales a bit, but overall DC isn't looking that hot.

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@knighthood: Yeah I can't at all blame you for making that decision. I actually think I'm going to stop reading the few DC titles that I am. Not in protest of what happened with Batwoman, but considering the way he talked about it I just feel like that universe is not going in a direction I care about at all. That being said I can't stop buying Vertigo titles until Trillium is over. That comic is just too damn good.

Posted by gator4eva

If you're still enjoying titles then I'd keep reading them while you're enjoying them. Or like someone else said you could buy them used so you won't end up missing out on your favorite titles.

Posted by noj

If your liking titles dont drop them out of some misguided form of protest. It may be sad but the one less sale a month they lose on that comic really isnt going to affect anything. You would honestly need to get tens of thousands of people organized to stop buying comics to have any real effect and even then it will just effect the creative team on the book and cause them to lose their jobs. DCs editorial problems are very complicated and arent going to be solved in that way at all, you would only effecting yourself really.

Posted by Billy Batson

I don't see why you're dropping Vertigo when DiDio doesn't have anything to do with them and they don't get screwed over by editors.

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Posted by Squalleon

@knighthood:

I don't see why you're dropping Vertigo when DiDio doesn't have anything to do with them and they don't get screwed over by

editors.

This. Vertigo deserves your love!

I also dropped DC yeah we are more and more by the day :-)

Edited by RulerOfThisUniverse

If they have titles you like, buy them. Don't ruin your fun because of an argument between the writers and editors.

Posted by Guardian_of_Gravity

I've generally learned to not buy anything Didiot sponsors and instead pirate it just to spite the man.

And get my friends to do the same.

And their friends.

Posted by Lvenger

Personally I'd rather support the good writers and artistic staff that DC do have on the good books that remain in the New 52 rather than letting myself get pushed away by editorial incompentence and executive dickery. Azzarello and Chiang's Wonder Woman, Snyder and Lee's Unchained, Tomasi and Gleason's Batman and, Higgins' Nightwing and more are good New 52 titles.

If they have titles you like, buy them. Don't ruin your fun because of an argument between the writers and editors.

Also I agree with this view.

Posted by knighthood

I don't see why you're dropping Vertigo when DiDio doesn't have anything to do with them and they don't get screwed over by editors.

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Yeah, right?

They sure didn't screw over Hellblazer. Plus, Didio's name is in those books. I'm certain he is getting some money for Vertigo sales.

@lvenger said:

Personally I'd rather support the good writers and artistic staff that DC do have on the good books that remain in the New 52 rather than letting myself get pushed away by editorial incompentence and executive dickery. Azzarello and Chiang's Wonder Woman, Snyder and Lee's Unchained, Tomasi and Gleason's Batman and, Higgins' Nightwing and more are good New 52 titles.

@rulerofthisuniverse said:

If they have titles you like, buy them. Don't ruin your fun because of an argument between the writers and editors.

Also I agree with this view.

I've tweeted all the creators that I respect and told them why I'm not longer supporting their books. Once they do something with a different publisher (or Didio gets canned), I'll be happy to support them again. Will it make a difference in the long run. Probably, not. Honestly, I don't care. That jerkward isn't getting another cent from me.

Didio reboots everything for younger readers, but wouldn't let Paul Pope do a Kamandi book because the audience would be too young.

Paul Pope: “Batman did pretty well, so I sat down with the head of DC Comics. I really wanted to do ‘Kamandi [The Last Boy on Earth]‘, this Jack Kirby character. I had this great pitch… and he said ‘You think this is gonna be for kids? Stop, stop. We don’t publish comics for kids. We publish comics for 45-year olds. If you want to do comics for kids, you can do ‘Scooby-Doo.’ And I thought, ‘I guess we just broke up.’”

In response to recent criticism, Didio states that he took a "huge risk" by having Kate be gay. Which is just ridiculous. Byrne created a gay character in the early 80's and Didio is now being risky in 2006 with a gay character. Then he does the whole "I've got a black friend" type of defense by putting an openly gay writer on the book to be his lackey.

All this to make Batwoman another one of Batman's flunkies. That was Didio's goal all along. He didn't like Williams and co. working alone in their little corner of the DCU. He wanted "Kathy" to be mixed in with all the other stupid bat cross overs. Didio even gave them a choice a few months back. If they participated in Villains Month they'd have to drop their current story line (which makes it seem like the marriage idea was previously approved).

Then he claims Arthur and Mera are not married. I'm so done.

Edited by Marionettegeist

@knighthood: Can't blame you at all. Didio's not getting any of my money either.

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Edited by V_Scarlotte_Rose

Tricky question. If you like J.H. Williams, but don't like Dan DiDio, are you not getting Sandman, which J.H. is drawing?

Posted by RulerOfThisUniverse

@knighthood: Including quite a few from DC. It just doesn't make sense to me, dropping all your books from a certain company (even books from writers you claim to respect) over an editorial dispute. I really think everyone is overreacting on this.

Posted by ChiSoxRox

@rulerofthisuniverse: Considering that the Batwoman fiasco has revealed DiDio's editorial policy to be heavy-handed and spiteful, I don't think people are overreacting when they say DC is turning into a repugnant company to give money to.

Edited by Marionettegeist

@chisoxrox: This isn't even the first time its happened. A lot of people have been quitting DC because of editorial, and you can guarantee that at least once a month Didio will state something to show you exactly how he runs the place.

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@rulerofthisuniverse: Honestly, I'm not dropping that many books to begin with. I'm only reading 3 DC and a few Vertigo. Last year I read over 25 DC books. I've already dropped 22 DC books over the past year, what difference does a few more make.

The quality has dropped. There have been a crap load of editorial issues not just this most recent. They let Nocenti destroy Catwoman's book. Stormwatch is a sham. Quality books get canceled or their talent gets stolen to work on Batman or Superman books. I'm glad you are enjoying these books, but I can't. Not anymore.

@v_scarlotte_rose: I have loved J.H. Williams since Promethea. Honestly, I've never read Sandman. Maybe some day. No rush to do so at the moment. Plus, I'd probably be lost with the new series anyway.

I'll finish Trillium. Then that's it. Coffin Hill looks really interesting, but then again it looks like a Rachel Rising knock-off. I'll just pick up Pretty Deadly instead.

Edited by RulerOfThisUniverse

@chisoxrox: There was an editorial dispute (not a fiasco). I am completely aware of what happened and how Didio handled the situation. Do I agree with his choices on what can and can't be published? No. But is that really worth boycotting all the work of writers you respect? No, not at all! Is it really worth boycotting books you enjoy just because of one man that works for the company made some bad decisions? Not in my opinion. And, most importantly, will you alone boycotting these great books from writers you respect affect this mans future decisions? Unfortunately, no. So, in my opinion, is this overreacting? Yes.

And just putting it out there, but no one has read the new writer's run. It might turn out to be just as good or better.

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@chisoxrox said:

@rulerofthisuniverse: Considering that the Batwoman fiasco has revealed DiDio's editorial policy to be heavy-handed and spiteful, I don't think people are overreacting when they say DC is turning into a repugnant company to give money to.

Spiteful is the right word, my friend. He could of at least let William's and company finish issue 26, but no, now we are losing two more Williams issues plus they shoving Kate in to that stupid Year Zero nonsense.

That is why I'm dropping these books.

I would have given the new guy a chance otherwise.

@rulerofthisuniverse said:

And, most importantly, will you alone boycotting these great books from writers you respect affect this Jan's future decisions? Unfortunately, no. So, in my opinion, is this overreacting? Yes, yes it is.

Another reason why I'm dropping these books is because I know Azzarello's Wonder Woman is next. Johns is already writing her as a completely different character in his books.

I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't Didio decision to break up the Bakers. Animal Man's supporting cast has been amazing. Let's see how well that title thrives without the supporting cast.

I'm not going to stick around and watch this all fall apart.

Edited by ChiSoxRox

@rulerofthisuniverse: A simple editorial dispute doesn't make the front page of Google News. If this was merely a rogue editor lower on the chain, I would not be so quick to judge, but with this being the editor-in-chief actively overriding the writer's visions for their own creations, it's clear that DC is becoming DiDio's way or no way, and that the company is in full creative meltdown. Who can say if it will not be Batwoman today, Wonder Woman tomorrow, (insert name of your favorite series here) the day after. Batwoman is my one DC title, so it will be very easy for me to pack up and jump off ship. I was planning on checking out Wonder Woman, since I love titles with strong female leads as well as Greek mythology, but who knows how long that title will stay in one piece?

And just putting it out there, but no one has read the new writer's run. It might turn out to be just as good or better.

I highly doubt this. JHW and WHB have spent four years refining and developing Kate Kane's character, ever since the Detective Comics run. Two of the main appeals of her series were her realistic, loving relationship with Maggie, and her independence from the Batman shenanigans. With DC crushing both aspects that made Batwoman so original, the new writer is being handed a severely limited series being stripped of its originality. I will still buy the first few issues to see how the new writer is, but the carpet has already been yanked from underneath his feet.

Posted by Billy Batson

@billy_batson said:

I don't see why you're dropping Vertigo when DiDio doesn't have anything to do with them and they don't get screwed over by editors.

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Yeah, right?

They sure didn't screw over Hellblazer. Plus, Didio's name is in those books. I'm certain he is getting some money for Vertigo sales.

One could argue that the low sales lead to Hellblazer's cancellation.

Can you show me DiDio's name on a Vertigo book?

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Posted by knighthood
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I don't see how dropping other titles will help. If you want to show your disdain for the decision made for Batwoman, just stop reading her series. If sales drop on that book maybe DC will get the picture. But punishing other creative teams on other titles for something they have no control over, I feel, isn't the answer and will only hurt other great titles rather than help.

Edited by Lvenger

@knighthood: Then it's your loss I'm afraid. I understand your reasons and share them to some degree but I don't want to miss out on the good books like Wonder Woman in the New 52 just because of some editorial and executive dickery. Punishing other creative teams will hurt their titles when they needed sales. Demon Knights needed more financial support for it to stay afloat. But it's your call at the end of the day, not mine. As for Azzarello, Didio hired him after Azzarello pitched him his idea for a WW series at a dinner they were having whilst discussing the New 52. I think Azzarello can keep his vision of a Wonder Woman comic for a while longer. The DC site promotes it in their 5.2 reasons on the New 52 so there's still support for it.

Posted by Billy Batson

@billy_batson:

back page, lower left hand corner.

Those things just get slapped in there. They hold as much merit as Johns and Lee having their names on The Sandman trades. Zip.

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Posted by Deranged Midget

I don't see how dropping other titles will help. If you want to show your disdain for the decision made for Batwoman, just stop reading her series. If sales drop on that book maybe DC will get the picture. But punishing other creative teams on other titles for something they have no control over, I feel, isn't the answer and will only hurt other great titles rather than help.

Well said.

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Posted by knighthood

@war_killer said:

I don't see how dropping other titles will help. If you want to show your disdain for the decision made for Batwoman, just stop reading her series. If sales drop on that book maybe DC will get the picture. But punishing other creative teams on other titles for something they have no control over, I feel, isn't the answer and will only hurt other great titles rather than help.

Well said.

The disdain isn't just because of the Batwoman decision. It is because of how DC has handled itself post new 52.

Posted by herrweis

@knighthood: From CBR...

In his statement, DiDio emphasized the character. “When we introduced Batwoman back in 2006, we took a huge risk at DC Comics, we went and did something unprecedented: we made one of our major characters gay.” The co-publisher then stressed that at the time of this decision, for those involved with this creative choice “it was something that we thought about, something we considered. . .we were very committed to doing that.”

Yeah as you said "like being gay is risky?"..that was a joke.what about a gay female hero is risky.not to mention he called her a major player.at that point she wasn't anything close to a major player..in a way she still isn't.she's the bat family member who is not a bat family member and I like that.her book was almost vertigo like.not about the big powers and crossovers but actually about the story telling.its a sad day when creators are not allowed to create freely especially when they are doing a great job and have a loyal following. How does Azzarello keep wonder woman safe from didio in her solo title?

Posted by Deranged Midget

@knighthood: I understand that but deciding against the entirety of the New 52, regardless of the reasons, will negatively impact those titles that still have dedicated creative teams with spectacular books going. It's completely unfair with what happened to Batwoman's creative team, it truly is. Unfortunately, I haven't read the title but I do feel sorry for them. Although, I don't believe calling off everything else is the ideal way to handle things. Just my thoughts.

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Edited by FadeToBlackBolt

I was supporting you til the "more money to spend on Marvel". How can you condemn Didio and DC (who deserve all the negativity they get), but let Marvel (who are arguably worse) off the hook?

Posted by War Killer

@knighthood: I understand that but deciding against the entirety of the New 52, regardless of the reasons, will negatively impact those titles that still have dedicated creative teams with spectacular books going. It's completely unfair with what happened to Batwoman's creative team, it truly is. Unfortunately, I haven't read the title but I do feel sorry for them. Although, I don't believe calling off everything else is the ideal way to handle things. Just my thoughts.

Exactly. If you don't like what's happening on a certain title, then drop it. But I don't see how dropping everything, including titles you actually like, will help. If you enjoy a title and what the creative team is doing, then support and enjoy the stories they put out. If you don't, then just don't buy that title. But punishing every title for what's happening on just one isn't the answer.

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I was going to bail on DC when Maguire got the ax. I can't in all good conscience continue to support a publisher that treats it's creative talent with such arbitrary cruelty. I haven't been to my local comic book shop in two months, so I'll buy whatever is in my file, but those will be my last DC purchases.

Posted by TDK_1997

I don't see how dropping other titles will help. If you want to show your disdain for the decision made for Batwoman, just stop reading her series. If sales drop on that book maybe DC will get the picture. But punishing other creative teams on other titles for something they have no control over, I feel, isn't the answer and will only hurt other great titles rather than help.

This.