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#1 Posted by King Saturn (225645 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@king_saturn: Because no religion tells them to do the things that they do. How is the religion responsible for them being crazy? They interpret it wrong and that is their responsiblity. The religion sjmoym exists, it doesn't make people do anything and can't be responsible for making people do things. They are responsible for their own actions and it isn't the fault of the rekigion. Yes the religion can give then fuel, I agree, but it still isn't their fault. They cannot fuel someone who isn't already crazy.

If a religion has passages in it's religious texts to "Kill Idolaters" how can this not fuel someone who isn't crazy if they are dedicated to the faith they believe in ? Would not said person who follows this passage just be following their GOD's wishes and trying to be obedient to him in spite of the violence the passage says to do ? Now I agree that these ISIS folks are indeed crazy... but their religion's holy texts do have some teachings that could easily lead to violence from a slightly warped interpretation. The religion is at fault as it is the fuel for these humans to do violence through it's teachings even from a warped perspective. Now if these religious texts had no incitement of violence in them at all. You would have a point as there is no basis for these people to kill from the religion itself... but if you read the Quran or the Bible... you can easily see where someone could use the book as fuel for these actions.

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@jayc1324 said:

@king_saturn: I really don't see how I am contradicting myself. You shouldn't blame religion for crazy people actions. But yes religion can be a breeding ground for extremism. That doesn't make religion responsible for that persons craziness. Religion is a breeding ground for religious extremists, but is not responsible for their actions, in a nutshell.

Why Not ? If the Religion is breeding extremism, how is the religion not responsible ? The crazy person is interpreting what he believes and reads from a Religion's Tennants. It's the religion that gives the fuel for these crazy people to do these actions. That's enough for me.

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Show the Points...

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@maccyd said:

@king_saturn said:

@maccyd said:

@king_saturn: Lack of religion was one of the roots of the cause for the Soviet Purges and Great Cultural Revolution, we should get rid of it as it breeds this sort of behaviour. Democracy was one of the roots of the cause for the Native American genocide and Rise of Hitler, we should get rid of it as it breeds this sort of behaviour.

You see how much sense these statements make?

Does Lack of Religion actually have Religious Texts that can be interpreted to in a way to bring about the Soviet Purges and Great Cultural Revolution ? Does Democracy have tennants in it that can be interpreted to kill Native Americans and destroy Six Million Jews as this would be good ?

You see how much you Fail at trying to draw a analogy without fully understanding the basis of what is being discussed here ?

There is no uniform religious text for all of religion. There isn't even a definite single holy text for many of the major religions. So the relationship between Marx's Atheist writings with Atheism and the American Constitution with Democracy is the same as Saint James Bible or such with religion.

When Stalin or Mao interpreted Marx's writings against religion to kill millions, should lack of religion be considered a breeding ground for negative behaviour. When the early Americans slaughtered Native Americans as they interpreted that the American Constitution gave them right to their land, should Democracy be considered a breeding ground for negative behaviour.

If you can prove that the Marx writing have passages in there that can be warped to kill millions of people then you might have a point. As far as the American Constitution being interpreted to kill Native Americans. Where does it say in the constitution to kill Natives of the land if they are on it there first ?

Like I said, there are passages in the Quran and Bible that speak of killing of idolaters in general... but where are your passages from the American Constitution and Marx Writings to kill millions of people ?

#5 Posted by King Saturn (225645 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@king_saturn: I didn't say religion wasnt a breeding ground, just that it isn't worse than anything else that creates extemists. Religion doesn't being out the violence in them, its their excuse to do these things. I do believe atheists doing bad things too matters here. It shows that its not just religion that people use to justify what they do.

It isn't always the fault of the religion that we have the the extremists though. A person can hate a country and use religion as a reason to go about killing. I don't believe its the religions fault that some people are crazy.

You are contradicting yourself heavily... your original post to me stated "You can't blame the religion for what these people do" now you are admitting that religion is a breeding ground for extremism. Which one is it ? Religion does bring out violence in extremists... there are texts in some religious books that can interpret to kill idolaters... if these people believe in these Holy Texts and accept them as given from Allah and / or Muhammad... how can you not blame the religion for this as it is the tool being used to create violence ? Yeah, sure there are other things that can incite extremism... but Religion is a main factor for extremism in many many cases... so my point still stands.

It does not have to be... Religion is still a breeding ground for extremism and that is what is key here as it is my point.

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I would like to see Dean Ambrose win the Royal Rumble... even over Daniel Bryan.

Sting's return was awesome at the end of RAW.

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Pharoahe Monch vs Vinnie Paz

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The Super Bowl...

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Boy, we are rustling some jimmies tonight.

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@frozen said:

@king_saturn said:

It's sad but religion gives breeding ground to this type of extremism... gotta get them ISIS boys out of power.

The Canadian special-forces are having a go...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30888344

Are you in support of ground troops or against? Or other means of defeating them?

whatever is needed... got to get rid of these crazy dudes.