Khadija

@whydama said:

@Khadija said:

@whydama said:

@Khadija said:

@whydama said:

@Khadija:

Power gem also grants you infinite strength. What about Planet busting attacks by Champion? Champion one shots a planet with the power gem. Planet is smashed so completely that its centre of gravity disappears.

When Thor used it, Thanos still imprisoned him in a block of pure force. So, unless Superman comes up with something to counter that, he will get incap.

SA Superman can blow out suns. And restart them with his heat vision. And drag galaxies full of planets. I don't trust claims of 'infinite' anything unless it's got panels to show it. SA Superman has about 40 years of such panels.

So, .... Wont SA Superman then beat Infinity Gauntlet by that logic?

Thanos and others with the IG have legitimately remade the Universe, killed half the people off, etc. So that does have a credible 'near omnipotence' stamp by actual feats. As opposed to the Cosmic Cube, which mostly seems to grant the ability of extreme stupidity.

@Khadija: He took multiple punches where the equivalent to a star-system and wasn't KO'd. I think thats a pretty good damn feat.

It is, but we've seen Thanos take blasts of reputedly similar power from guys like Silver Surfer and pummelings by Superman-powered guys. In terms of invulnerability Thanos is pretty ridiculous. Not that Majestic isn't, too.

No amount of super strength would counter the block of pure force. Thor was bloodlusted with Warrior Madness and power gem. And that didnt help him. SA Superman is heading for the same fate.

Nah. Superman would just counter the force field with some weird use of his heat vision. Also 'pure force' doesn't actually mean anything, so it's moot. Stopping a 90s/2000 Thor is jack compared to the stuff Starbreaker could do. And even he was a little afraid of Big Blue.

I'm not trying to discount Thor by any means. I'd put him on a par with New Earth Superman, a bit slower and more versatile with the energy manipulation.

@stonerthps said:

SA Supes was also scared of lightning.

Electricity is one of the things all incarnations of Superman are most likely to be stunned by, but they are pretty much never hurt by it. It's a tactical consideration, not a mortal one; it wouldn't be irrelevant in a fight but, again, Thanos just doesn't have the physical chops to put the SA Man of Steel down even if he was like asleep.

@whydama said:

@Khadija said:

@whydama said:

@Khadija:

Power gem also grants you infinite strength. What about Planet busting attacks by Champion? Champion one shots a planet with the power gem. Planet is smashed so completely that its centre of gravity disappears.

When Thor used it, Thanos still imprisoned him in a block of pure force. So, unless Superman comes up with something to counter that, he will get incap.

SA Superman can blow out suns. And restart them with his heat vision. And drag galaxies full of planets. I don't trust claims of 'infinite' anything unless it's got panels to show it. SA Superman has about 40 years of such panels.

So, .... Wont SA Superman then beat Infinity Gauntlet by that logic?

Thanos and others with the IG have legitimately remade the Universe, killed half the people off, etc. So that does have a credible 'near omnipotence' stamp by actual feats. As opposed to the Cosmic Cube, which mostly seems to grant the ability of extreme stupidity.

@Khadija: He took multiple punches where the equivalent to a star-system and wasn't KO'd. I think thats a pretty good damn feat.

It is, but we've seen Thanos take blasts of reputedly similar power from guys like Silver Surfer and pummelings by Superman-powered guys. In terms of invulnerability Thanos is pretty ridiculous. Not that Majestic isn't, too.

@Wolfrazer said:

@Khadija said:

@Wolfrazer said:

@quirky_anecdotes: Actually have thought on this, which seems to make sense. A person/animal dies, now in the world we have people/animals giving birth to babies. So what if, the person that dies actually comes back as a baby human or animal?(Their past memories/life erased entirely) I mean it makes sense sorta, because theres death and life if there was no death then the Earth would get overpopulated. But thats just a theory I have.

Reincarnation is logic-fail. If you don't retain your identity you ain't the same person. Who cares about karma? That's some other sap's problem.

Buddhism fails if you try to take it literally (Iike most mythology).

You wouldn't retain your past identity, because that identity is dead and you'd be born a completely different person. Hence your being born again. But anyway, won't get into this argument and all so stopping here.

Big fan of Ditko's Vic Sage, in any case. That dude was an ass-kicker.

@whydama said:

@Khadija:

Power gem also grants you infinite strength. What about Planet busting attacks by Champion? Champion one shots a planet with the power gem. Planet is smashed so completely that its centre of gravity disappears.

When Thor used it, Thanos still imprisoned him in a block of pure force. So, unless Superman comes up with something to counter that, he will get incap.

SA Superman can blow out suns. And restart them with his heat vision. And drag galaxies full of planets. I don't trust claims of 'infinite' anything unless it's got panels to show it. SA Superman has about 40 years of such panels.

Also, just as a matter of form criticism/genre SA Superman is god. Not like 'a god' in the Marvel sense, but pretty much the Big Boss Man of the DCU. The whole point of SA Superman was that he was unbeatable and infallible. And Super-hilarious.

Red Kryptonite also made SA Superman King of the Ants, which is useless against Thanos but Pym better watch his job.

@Strider92 said:

You forgot Plutonian! Who would most likely consistently beat Thanos.

I only went with characters I am very well versed with. However, given how often the Plutonian's enemies *almost* succeeded - and they were no Supermen - I just haven't seen the feats to match it.

One I did forget was Mark Milton Hyperion from Supreme Power. Thanos 100/100. The Supreme Power-verse was much lower-key than Marvel or DC, though Hyperion was pretty insanely powerful and got more powerful as time went on (as Supermen almost inevitably do).

@Wolfrazer said:

@quirky_anecdotes: Actually have thought on this, which seems to make sense. A person/animal dies, now in the world we have people/animals giving birth to babies. So what if, the person that dies actually comes back as a baby human or animal?(Their past memories/life erased entirely) I mean it makes sense sorta, because theres death and life if there was no death then the Earth would get overpopulated. But thats just a theory I have.

Reincarnation is logic-fail. If you don't retain your identity you ain't the same person. Who cares about karma? That's some other sap's problem.

Buddhism fails if you try to take it literally (Iike most mythology).

@stonerthps said:

Thanos would take Majestic. 10/10 Thanos is darkseid's level if you think majestic is taking darkseid 10/10 so be it.

Post-Crisis Darkseid (including New 52 Darkseid) was a Jobber far below Thanos. Superman beat him blind in no-time flat when he abducted Steel. Pre-Crisis Darkseid was vastly more powerful than Thanos (or Superman) and would annihilate Thanos or Majestic with a single Omega Beam

I think Majestic is much more powerful than PC-Darkseid and PC-Superman, so I give him 50/50 odds with the Mad Titan.

How is SA Superman stronger than the power gem? Thanos will still contain him in a block of pure force. SA Superman cant do anything if he doesnt have energy manipulation

Thanos doesn't ordinarily have the power gem, for starters. I'm not setting him up against Infinity Gauntlet Thanos, who is virtually all powerful (though SA Superman with the Sword of Superman curbstomps IG Thanos).

I've never seen anyone with *just* the power gem do anything comparable to SA Superboy/Superman in terms of strength feats. I mean, it's pretty much canon that SA Superman was infinitely strong, fast and durable *except* against equally freaky SA gods. I wouldn't be surprised if Kal-El could BREAK the power gem in his palm.

@whydama said:

@Khadija said:

btw does Silver age Superman have any energy manipulation feats?

Silver Age Superman could not control energy like Vulcan or an Eternal can, but he was able to use combinations of his ray-vision and intellect to change energies and convert them into other types. He also had the infamous tendency to pull powers out of his cape. Which, by the way, was not 'inventing' powers, but simply a power he didn't have to use before (in canon). Also, he was pretty much totally indestrucable; even attacks that stunned him (like the Great Darkness Darkseid's bitchslap) didn't actually leave any visible wounds, bruising or bleeding. I just don't think Thanos has the sort of attacks to effect him in terms of sheer power; though a *sneak attack* using combined Red Sun/Green K radiation (if Thanos can produce that, probably yes the former maybe no the latter) could theoretically put SA Superman down. Thus the 1/100 I tossed to Purple Puss.

SA Superman's strength and speed were also infinite. He could fly through time, fly through dimensions, fly into Heaven and potentially fly so fast and so hard he destroyed the Universe. When he was a teenager he could drag galaxies full of planets with one hand at full speed. So, really, he could just crack Thanos open with a single punch.

The only dudes I see realistically putting SA Superman down are other Silver Age DC characters (Dr. Fate, Starbreaker, Darkseid) and even that is iffy. Or Jim Shooter's Solar: Man of the Atom, who was omnipotent.

@chaos-soul said:

mr. majestic would win 6/10 imo

I might agree with you if we had more Majestic feats, but as it is I don't think he has enough in-panel invulnerability to match the Titan (though that is offset by his freakin' awesome strength and speed, thus I made them even).

We probably won't see ANY of his feats in the future, because he seems to have been merged with Superman in the DC/Wildstorm blender (I can't believe no one has mentioned this - umm, he's got alien Super-armor and his arch-enemy is Helspont?)