A few words about All-Negro comics # 1...

...and a few things linked to it.

Year was 1947, and racism was common (much like it is today, but not as much, hopefully). Black/brown skinned people (or African Americans, because it sounds a bit more fitting) sick of it. Suprising, isn`t it?

That`s why a bunch of them, who also happened to make comics, decided to fix some kind of an antidote to it. Or maybe they didn`t think it like that. Maybe they simply wanted to have black comic characters.

The product was this. The world famous first ish of All-Negro comics, which started up a series that lasted for 223 issues, before its cancellation. The series that influenced thousands of other series like it, that easily outsold all kinds of DC-and MARVEL-books, and continue to do so today.

But that, of course, happened in a different universe. In this one though, the series was cancelled after the first issue. You can guess why*...

The stories for the second one were already made, and one can wonder where they are hidden. That is, if one doesn`t know.

I really wish that they could`ve gotten the chance to make more.

But anyway, as for the first issue and its stories, parts of (almost) all of them can be seen on Digital comic museum, if you`re interested. And you should be interested. The stories in that one are pretty good (there`s also a few gag strips on one page), and radiate that 40`s "what the hell"-energy, that can be associated with the most entertaining ones of them.

You can view 16 pages of it, and 12 of them are comics. Because that`s all that seems to have had been found for the site.

The characters aren`t all that original, but if you like archetypes, they`re worth a look.

I especially like the water pixies, because they remind me of African folk tales. I haven`t heard or read many, but because I`m fascinated with folk tales in general, they interest me.

But, how should I conclude this? I have no idea of what would be most fitting.

I could end in to a sour not,e about the most visible American comics still being filled with mostly white protagonists, even if there`s more than one nationality living there. But that`s an old subject and also a bit irritating. Or really irritating.

I could also tell you to buy and/or read more comics by African-Americans. But that sounds like as if their lives would still be as difficult as they use to be, and for most, that`s not true. Or is it? Nah, a stupid question

Maybe I could simply write:

So, a comic like this exists. And if you didn`t know that before reading this post, you do now.

*The answer is, of course, because everyone of those creators were hijacked by 10 aliens that looked like oranges.

PS. All the characters in the comic are (supposedly) in public domain nowadays. So, maybe they shall resurface some day. Maybe I shall be the one to make them resurface, even if I`m not a negro myself. As you can probably already note from the text itself, which is obviously written by a scrawny white kid.

Update:

Link to the comic site.

Digital Comics Museum.

47 Comments
47 Comments
Posted by kfhrfdu_89_76k

Guess what?

Bump!

Posted by WaveMotionCannon

Good post. Where'd you find this?

Posted by time

I'm so tired of this racism crap, people go on about it to much.

Posted by Chaos Prime

this reminds me of the old Tin Tin comics & his adventures in Africa..

Just one word for it Ignorance..

Posted by kfhrfdu_89_76k

@WaveMotionCannon:

Thanks, but it`s actually kinda terrible. Well, not terrible. Not all that good either, though.

I looked trough the entire Public domain characters-list (made by Turoksonofstone). There was a few characters from this comic, in the list. I saw where they had appeared. Weeks later, I thought I`d read the comic, and wrote this.

@time:

That`s too bad for you. Racism wasn`t the main point of my post, though. But I can understand that you`ve gotten really sick of it. So...yeah. I don`t know what else to write.

@Chaos Prime:

I don`t remember that much about the story, but I do somehow remember that it isn`t all that bad on the racism area (more like non existent). More like, it has Tintin act like a guy in charge, which feels a bit weird. Of course there`s also all those African clichés, like the natives not knowing about antibacterials (I`m pretty sure that it was the case among alot of them at the start of the century).

Besides, ignorance isn`t a bad thing, if heinous lies aren`t made up to substitute the truth. Hergé just didn`t know.

Posted by InnerVenom123

What.

Posted by kfhrfdu_89_76k

@InnerVenom123:

Well, I guess I explained what I meant, pretty "well" on to the original post.

Posted by The Poet

Maybe I'll read this comic one of this days...

Moderator
Posted by WaveMotionCannon
@time

I'm so tired of this racism crap, people go on about it to much.

Well until it is eliminated in all of its forms people will still talk about it. I'm sick and tired of it too but it's still going on and has to discussed.
Posted by cuddles666

@kfhrfdu_89_76k: Dude, this is crazy! Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

Posted by Shotgun

@time Don't belittle the sufferings of others.

Posted by time

@Shotgun said:

@time Don't belittle the sufferings of others.

They haven't been the only ones who suffer. All races have suffered at some point in history, but African Americans, are ones that we always talk about. It's annoying.

@WaveMotionCannon said:

@time

I'm so tired of this racism crap, people go on about it to much.

Well until it is eliminated in all of its forms people will still talk about it. I'm sick and tired of it too but it's still going on and has to discussed.

It won't be eliminated, there always be racism or discrimination.

Posted by greenteaforme

Racism is part of our (the entire world's) culture and history. Racism and xenophobia is inherent to human nature, and it's helped shaped the world today both better and worse.

What people would tag as racism is just as common in today's world as it was fifty or a hundred years ago or more. Most of the world is not as politically correct as America, where many people pretend to practice acceptance but can't make it past tolerance. There's nothing "wrong" with racism at a more primal level - it's when we bring our more evolved notions of human rights and such into the equation that it becomes disdained.

Posted by WaveMotionCannon
@time

@Shotgun said:

@time Don't belittle the sufferings of others.

They haven't been the only ones who suffer. All races have suffered at some point in history, but African Americans, are ones that we always talk about. It's annoying.

@WaveMotionCannon said:

@time

I'm so tired of this racism crap, people go on about it to much.

Well until it is eliminated in all of its forms people will still talk about it. I'm sick and tired of it too but it's still going on and has to discussed.

It won't be eliminated, there always be racism or discrimination.

That's not true and if it's present it needs to be discussed or at the very least pointed out. Most people who are annoyed by other people talking about racism are racists or have never experienced it.
Posted by WaveMotionCannon
@greenteaforme

Racism is part of our (the entire world's) culture and history. Racism and xenophobia is inherent to human nature, and it's helped shaped the world today both better and worse.

What people would tag as racism is just as common in today's world as it was fifty or a hundred years ago or more. Most of the world is not as politically correct as America, where many people pretend to practice acceptance but can't make it past tolerance. There's nothing "wrong" with racism at a more primal level - it's when we bring our more evolved notions of human rights and such into the equation that it becomes disdained.

There's NOTHING RIGHT about racism on any level. I'm not surprised to hear you say that seeing as I've seen you write against the "forced over representation " of minorities in comics and your being from a xenophobic country.
Posted by Death Certificate

*sigh* on some the responses

Posted by fodigg

@Death Certificate said:

*sigh* on some the responses

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@WaveMotionCannon said:

@time

@Shotgun said:

@time Don't belittle the sufferings of others.

They haven't been the only ones who suffer. All races have suffered at some point in history, but African Americans, are ones that we always talk about. It's annoying.

@WaveMotionCannon said:

@time

I'm so tired of this racism crap, people go on about it to much.

Well until it is eliminated in all of its forms people will still talk about it. I'm sick and tired of it too but it's still going on and has to discussed.

It won't be eliminated, there always be racism or discrimination.

That's not true and if it's present it needs to be discussed or at the very least pointed out. Most people who are annoyed by other people talking about racism are racists or have never experienced it.

I have been victim of racism, so has my family and friends. I'v been called white Bitch and I have been bullied in college. The people who were racism towards me, my family and friends were black people. I'm not a racist and I think it's wrong to discriminate or attack anyone based on there culture and sexual orientation.

I get tired of people going on about it and I'm tired of African American people, that keep going on about it, as if there the only people being discriminating against.

I do have more to say on the topic, but I have to type it up.

Posted by kasino

@Chaos Prime: jesus I remember that

to some of the responses of course everyone has suffered a form of discrimination but not since ancient Egypt has a race been discriminated against for as long

African-Americans has no connection to their homeland as they were stolen from their land and no knowledge of what part they come from

and pre-imperialism Africa was a rich land and with a rich history

Posted by Shotgun

@time I was talking about you ragging on why people complain about racism, not African-Americans. They are the ones we talk about because America has a large African-American population, and the negative stereotypes that are attached to their skin color is more severe than others. I am Asian-American. The worst stigma that I can get is being overachieving, slit-eyed or an eater of cats and dogs, which I assure you is quite scrumptious ;p Just don't tell PETA about it.

Posted by WaveMotionCannon
@time

@WaveMotionCannon said:

@time

@Shotgun said:

@time Don't belittle the sufferings of others.

They haven't been the only ones who suffer. All races have suffered at some point in history, but African Americans, are ones that we always talk about. It's annoying.

@WaveMotionCannon said:

@time

I'm so tired of this racism crap, people go on about it to much.

Well until it is eliminated in all of its forms people will still talk about it. I'm sick and tired of it too but it's still going on and has to discussed.

It won't be eliminated, there always be racism or discrimination.

That's not true and if it's present it needs to be discussed or at the very least pointed out. Most people who are annoyed by other people talking about racism are racists or have never experienced it.

I have been victim of racism, so has my family and friends. I'v been called white Bitch and I have been bullied in college. The people who were racism towards me, my family and friends were black people. I'm not a racist and I think it's wrong to discriminate or attack anyone based on there culture and sexual orientation.

I get tired of people going on about it and I'm tired of African American people, that keep going on about it, as if there the only people being discriminating against.

I do have more to say on the topic, but I have to type it up.

African Americans talk about racism because they've experienced the worst of it in America duh! They're are plenty of minorities in America that have a right to complain of racism ( Italians, Irish , Chinese , Japanese , American Indians/ Native Americans etc. ) in varying degrees but AAs have by far experienced the worst ( with the possible exception of Native Americans) and unlike some of the others who've gained varying degrees of acceptance by the dominant culture (white), a lot of AA's still experience negative discrimination that marginalized them.
I'm sorry you experienced "reverse" racism and I know it hurt you but think what you felt was a MILLIONTH of what many minorities in this country have felt throughout history. I can't stand people who cry racism at every little thing but when it's obvious you can't bury your head and ignore it.
Posted by greenteaforme

@WaveMotionCannon said:

@greenteaforme

Racism is part of our (the entire world's) culture and history. Racism and xenophobia is inherent to human nature, and it's helped shaped the world today both better and worse.

What people would tag as racism is just as common in today's world as it was fifty or a hundred years ago or more. Most of the world is not as politically correct as America, where many people pretend to practice acceptance but can't make it past tolerance. There's nothing "wrong" with racism at a more primal level - it's when we bring our more evolved notions of human rights and such into the equation that it becomes disdained.

There's NOTHING RIGHT about racism on any level. I'm not surprised to hear you say that seeing as I've seen you write against the "forced over representation " of minorities in comics and your being from a xenophobic country.

You'll notice I didn't say it was right - I said it was natural, and isn't inherently "wrong" in any primal level of human nature. I said with a more evolved mind that humans have modernly, racism has become thought of as being wrong, even though (and I'm going out on a limb here) everyone has had racist thoughts or tendencies in their life at some time or another.

Please read my post properly and comprehend it fully before replying!

Posted by Duke_Nasty

@time: Don't be silly you can't be racist against white people.

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@Shotgun said:

@time I was talking about you ragging on why people complain about racism, not African-Americans. They are the ones we talk about because America has a large African-American population, and the negative stereotypes that are attached to their skin color is more severe than others. I am Asian-American. The worst stigma that I can get is being overachieving, slit-eyed or an eater of cats and dogs, which I assure you is quite scrumptious ;p Just don't tell PETA about it.

There are few things I don't like about racism.

First of, when people cry out racism, when there isn't racism involved. I give you 2 examples.

One day down my road. It was the day after London riots, last year. A bunch of Black youths were hanging out on street with knives, guns and sticks and as well as arguing with one another, they were talking about what crime they were going commit. The police were called, I'm not sure if a neighbour called them or the police was working on some intelligence. Any ways they came, calm the situation, arrested a few teenagers. Then two black youths walked off and cry out racism. How the hell is that racism. Not only did the Police prevent violent crimes from being committed, they also stop the teenagers from doing something stupid.

Another example is a big more violent, I was at my friends house and the police went to one of the neighbours to arrest a black a woman. The black woman was resisting arrest, not only was she shouting abuse at the Police officers, but she was hitting the Police officers and not only that, her friends got involved too. More police officers had to come and get involved and one of them had to force the lady to the ground and had to hit her legs, to stop her from kicking him. After that happen, other neighbours who lived down the road, who was not involved. Cry out Racism. How the hell is that Racism ? the police had a job to do and the lady was attacking the police officers. They did what they had too.

The second thing I don't like about Racism, is how hate crime is addressed.

Minority of black people, say that the media promoted them in the wrong way. Rappers sing about it. So if a Black person is murder in the streets, he has to be in a gang and I can understand why people get annoyed with that, but I can understand why it's in the media. If Minority of black teenagers are involved in gangs and Minority of teenagers that are being murder are black., I'm not suprise it's in the media. Just look at the UK, loads of black teenagers were murder over the last couples of years and there is a increase in black youths involved in gangs. So you see where I'm going with this.

There also the hate crime involved in here. Whenever a Black teenager has been murder and it's racists attack, it's usually in the media, but When it's a white person being attack by black youths, it's never really focus on.

I give you example Stephen Lawrence who was murder in England in 1993, which was a hate crime, he was murder by white people. It was horrible crime, and my heart goes out to Steven and his family. It's still been in the news early this year, after 14 years, something like that . I get the police did a bad job everything, but there are white teenagers being murder by black youths over last couple of years and they never really get focus on, especially when it's a hate crime. That's the case in England, not sure about America though. As well that, there was a white family attack by 50 black youths, which was hate crime and that hasn't really been focus on.

Third thing I don't like about Racism, Is how some Black people view white people and others

What I mean I by that, that they think the white people own them something, even though it was there ancestors who were suffering and not them. Let's not forgot there were white slaves before there were Black slaves. It countries like Spain, blacks people owned white slaves for over 700 years in Spain. That twice as long as the atlantic slave trade."

I also copy this from a website

The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World.

By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat (70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves at this time).

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and over 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland's population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were forcibly taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. Another 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia while 30,000 Irish men were sold to the highest bidder.

In 1656, Oliver Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

African slaves were very expensive (50 Sterling), had to be transported long distances and paid for not only in Africa but in the New World. Irish slaves were cheap (no more than 5 Sterling) and most often were either kidnapped from Ireland, prisoners or forcibly removed. They could be worked to death, whipped or branded without it being a crime. Many, many times they were beat to death and while the death of an Irish slave was a monetary setback, it was far cheaper than the death of an expensive African. Therefore, African slaves were treated much better in Colonial America.

The importation of Irish slaves continued well into the eighteenth century, long after the importation of African slaves became the norm. Records state that after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.

Irish slavery didn't end until Britain decided to end slavery in 1839 and stopped transporting slaves.

I also posted this from another website

In fact, Blacks people in Africa engaged in extensive enslavement of their own kind. Slavery was endemic in Africa, with entire tribes being enslaved through conquest on a regular basis. When Arabic, Jewish and White slave traders arrived on the coast of sub-Saharan Africa, they seldom if ever had to travel inland and fight or pursue their quarry. They were met on the coast by Africans more than willing to sell slaves to them by the thousands. And in America, records show that Black slaves were owned, not just by a few wealthy Whites, but by free Blacks and by Cherokee Indians. In some cases, these Blacks and Indians even owned White slaves. White slaves were actually owned by Blacks and Indians in the South .

As you can see Black people did actually own white slaves and yet, all we going on about is how much the Africa America people have suffered. When history shows that all races have suffered at some point in history. There were whites slave and black slaves at the same time.

Another thing that annoyed me is, when you come across movies, that focuses on black people, there is always white people in it, who made out to be evil or stupid. Like attack on the block, which is about a bunch of Aliens attacking a blocks of flats and the main character is a black youth, and he says the aliens are attacking them, cause it's been organise by the government, who are white and there trying to keep the black people down, something like that.

How about Resident evil 5, which was branded as beings racists, because it's set in Africa and a lot of black people die in it. How is that different to other resident evil games, how is that different from other races dying in the previous games.

So what I hate about racism, is how it's see in the world and people being racists in the first place.

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@WaveMotionCannon said:

@time

@WaveMotionCannon said:

@time

@Shotgun said:

@time Don't belittle the sufferings of others.

They haven't been the only ones who suffer. All races have suffered at some point in history, but African Americans, are ones that we always talk about. It's annoying.

@WaveMotionCannon said:

@time

I'm so tired of this racism crap, people go on about it to much.

Well until it is eliminated in all of its forms people will still talk about it. I'm sick and tired of it too but it's still going on and has to discussed.

It won't be eliminated, there always be racism or discrimination.

That's not true and if it's present it needs to be discussed or at the very least pointed out. Most people who are annoyed by other people talking about racism are racists or have never experienced it.

I have been victim of racism, so has my family and friends. I'v been called white Bitch and I have been bullied in college. The people who were racism towards me, my family and friends were black people. I'm not a racist and I think it's wrong to discriminate or attack anyone based on there culture and sexual orientation.

I get tired of people going on about it and I'm tired of African American people, that keep going on about it, as if there the only people being discriminating against.

I do have more to say on the topic, but I have to type it up.

African Americans talk about racism because they've experienced the worst of it in America duh! They're are plenty of minorities in America that have a right to complain of racism ( Italians, Irish , Chinese , Japanese , American Indians/ Native Americans etc. ) in varying degrees but AAs have by far experienced the worst ( with the possible exception of Native Americans) and unlike some of the others who've gained varying degrees of acceptance by the dominant culture (white), a lot of AA's still experience negative discrimination that marginalized them. I'm sorry you experienced "reverse" racism and I know it hurt you but think what you felt was a MILLIONTH of what many minorities in this country have felt throughout history. I can't stand people who cry racism at every little thing but when it's obvious you can't bury your head and ignore it.

You need to read my above post. There were white slaves too and black people did actually own white slaves too.

Posted by kfhrfdu_89_76k

This is not the direction I thought that this discussion would take.

@The Poet said:

Maybe I'll read this comic one of this days...

More like parts of it.

@cuddles666 said:

@kfhrfdu_89_76k: Dude, this is crazy! Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

No prob pal.

@Shotgun:

@greenteaforme:

@WaveMotionCannon:

@time:

Thought provoking comments everyone. Thanks.

@kasino said:

@Chaos Prime:

and pre-imperialism Africa was a rich land and with a rich history

It still is, I would think.

Posted by time

@kfhrfdu_89_76k said:

This is not the direction I thought that this discussion would take.

@The Poet said:

Maybe I'll read this comic one of this days...

More like parts of it.

@cuddles666 said:

@kfhrfdu_89_76k: Dude, this is crazy! Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

No prob pal.

@Shotgun:

@greenteaforme:

@WaveMotionCannon:

@time:

Thought provoking comments everyone. Thanks.

@kasino said:

@Chaos Prime:

and pre-imperialism Africa was a rich land and with a rich history

It still is, I would think.

There nothing wrong with my comments, I'm just sharing my views

Posted by cbishop

@kfhrfdu_89_76k said:

But anyway, as for the first issue and its stories, parts of (almost) all of them can be seen on Digital comic museum...

You should make that a link to the site. :)

Posted by TheCrowbar

@time: Do you have a web source on this? I'd like to read more before making comments.

Posted by kfhrfdu_89_76k
Posted by TheCrowbar

@kfhrfdu_89_76k:

I was talking to time about the irish slavery thing. I don't really care about an old comic.There should be a focus on diversifying comics now, not lamenting over past mistakes.

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@TheCrowbar said:

@time: Do you have a web source on this? I'd like to read more before making comments.

Well I look around for loads of websites on the issue, there even books on it. Here are some links.

ttp://www.stormfront.org/crusader/texts/bt/bt07.html

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/11/30/ayatollah-obama-long-legged-mac-daddy-barack-does-fairy-tales-for-america-taqiyy

http://bobsblahblahblogs.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/there-is-so-much-untold-history-out.html

http://www.saveyourheritage.com/white_slavery.htm - this website is a bit racists, but there is important facts there.

Posted by kfhrfdu_89_76k

@TheCrowbar said:

@kfhrfdu_89_76k:

I was talking to time about the irish slavery thing. I don't really care about an old comic.There should be a focus on diversifying comics now, not lamenting over past mistakes.

Woops. Thought that you replied to me. Akward.

Posted by cbishop
Posted by The Stegman

....yeaaaah race, religion and political threads never end well.

Posted by kfhrfdu_89_76k

@The Stegman:

Could be worse.

Edited by AncientAliens99

Its a shame that African Americans like to bring up slavery and make people feel bad. However, it is something that didn't happen too long ago and is still currently happening. Whites don't face as much racism as blacks do today.

Posted by kfhrfdu_89_76k

@AncientAliens99:

I know. I haven`t faced it at all, when I think of it. Or maybe I have, but just haven`t noticed.

Could you comment something on the comic that I showcased? After all, it was the thing I wanted to focus on here. = )

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

@kasino: What about the Native Americans or the Romani?

Posted by kfhrfdu_89_76k

@Jonny_Anonymous:

I feel for them too, even if I should do so more.

Also, could you tell me if this thread is called "A few words about racism". Because, even if others made it so, it wasn`t my intention.

Not trying to be insulting. Frankly, the whole situation is a bit funny.

But I still aren`t okay with this. Not entirely.

Posted by mrdecepticonleader

@greenteaforme said:

Racism is part of our (the entire world's) culture and history. Racism and xenophobia is inherent to human nature, and it's helped shaped the world today both better and worse.

What people would tag as racism is just as common in today's world as it was fifty or a hundred years ago or more. Most of the world is not as politically correct as America, where many people pretend to practice acceptance but can't make it past tolerance. There's nothing "wrong" with racism at a more primal level - it's when we bring our more evolved notions of human rights and such into the equation that it becomes disdained.

In what way has racism and xenophobia shaped the world for the better?

Posted by kfhrfdu_89_76k

@mrdecepticonleader:

You will probably mind that I answer this instead. I don`t care.

The answer is: Because inviduals and masses of inviduals get stronger trough tragedy. In theory.

Posted by mrdecepticonleader

@kfhrfdu_89_76k said:

@mrdecepticonleader:

You will probably mind that I answer this instead. I don`t care.

The answer is: Because inviduals and masses of inviduals get stronger trough tragedy. In theory.

Thats not a very good answer.

Racism is discrimination,discrimination exists in a variety of forms.

Its discrimination based on the colour of a persons skin and culture weather its black,white etc.

Dont see any good that comes from discrimination it just creates even more ignorance,fear and intolerance than what it was born from.

Posted by kfhrfdu_89_76k

@mrdecepticonleader:

@kfhrfdu_89_76k said:

@mrdecepticonleader:

In theory.

Cool. I can quote myself.

Posted by mrdecepticonleader

@kfhrfdu_89_76k said:

@mrdecepticonleader:

@kfhrfdu_89_76k said:

@mrdecepticonleader:

In theory.

Cool. I can quote myself.

There is no in theory about it its just an excuse.

Edited by kfhrfdu_89_76k

@mrdecepticonleader:

Whatever. I don`t really care. I`m sick of this discussion. Please don`t take it the wrong way. But, if you do, I don`t know if it matters. Peace and love yo all.

Posted by mrdecepticonleader

@kfhrfdu_89_76k said:

@mrdecepticonleader:

Whatever. I don`t really care. I`m sick of this discussion. Please don`t take it the wrong way. But, if you do, I don`t know if it matters. Peace and love yo`ll.

You replied to my initial comment.

Fair enough