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@CadenceV2: So basically the only way for Marvel team to win is for them to have a massive unfair advantage like starting up in space or starting far enough to where they can get up there before getting blitzed. Why not just admit that you made this match with the intention of the Flashes and Zoom losing

and Stardust is NOT a speedster. You would of been better off picking someone else like Makkari

@jeanroygrant said:

@NerdsFTW said:

@BigCimmerian:Surfer dies.

Morals on Surfer would have trouble fighting a morals on Thor, morals off Thor would beat him, then adding on Black Adam(a being who could fight off the JSA) and Martian Manhunter(a superman level character, a high telepath, and being who can only be killed by molecular disintegration) means the team wins in a massive stomp.

Thor would beat Silver Surfer?

Don't see why not, he's done it before.

@sandiego008 said:

@Empiorumfacemask: The point is that he had to reach a speed where time does not exist (aka time stands still) for him to beat Runner.

You are missing the point which is obvious as this argument is continuing to come up. Makarri had to go into a speed where there is no time to beat runner. It doesn't mean he is faster ... it means he went to such a high speed when runner wasn't expecting it at the end of the race and thus makarri won. Please stop using this as an argument against runner as it is incorrect.

Might as well keep bringing up batman > JLA crap if this is what you want to use for an argument here.

When...has anyone ever stated that Batman>>>Jla ?? Seriously show a link of anyone on this site saying this

There is no such thing as absolute speed. The theory of relativity disproves it, it was essentially jargon that Marvel brought up to make Makkari look credible. Marvel always attempts to use real life science terms in their stories even when they can't logically fit into what's happening in the comic.

Why should anyone not use it in an argument. Even if Makkari did have to pull an illogical plot device out of his ass to beat the Runner, the fact is for the entire race he was keeping up with him and Runner himself was getting frustrated because he couldn't shake him. At the very best Runner may be slightly faster than Makkari, which means he's out of his league against the Flashes and especially Zoom

@TheSuperHuman said:

@KaitenKenbuRyuken said:

You may want to read up on some Darkseid because he would beat Surfer easily. Cyborg Superman has most of the powers Surfer has including energy and matter manipulation, Darkseid beat him in two moves.

Surfer alone would get manhandled. This team can win together but one on one they go down hard

I've read plenty of Darkseid and have made my decision based on that. And no, he wouldn't beat Surfer easily. Let's not forget that Surfer and Cyborg Superman are too very different characters, and they don't move, sound, or act the same. Just because Darkseid beat CS, does not mean he'd beat Surfer. Surfer alone would not get manhandled, he can take just about anything Darkseid throws at him. Perhaps you should read up on Surfer? Besides, Surfer is the only one who Darkseid would have so much, if not all trouble with.

It doesn't matter if you think their different characters or not either. The entire basis of your argument was that Surfer is too versatile, Henshaw is just as versatile and has most of the same powers that Surfer has so your argument is null and voided.

. The fact that Darkseid is vastly more powerful and has better feats than Surfer is why Surfer would get manhandled. Surfer wouldn't be able to take anything Darkseid throws at him either, the Omega beams have harmed characters more powerful and durable than Surfer, including Henshaw Perhaps you should read up on Surfer, if you did you would know that he's lost to Thor twice and was beaten to death by Thanos, Morg has beaten him as well.. Surfer's only hope of surviving a fight with Darkseid is to fly in the opposite direction as fast as he can and pray DS doesn't come after him.

@TheSuperHuman said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@TheSuperHuman said:

Darkseid goes down, hard. Surfer would be too much for him. Adding Nova and Firelord puts this onto spite levels.

Darkseid would stomp Silver Surfer.

That's unfortunately untrue, because Surfer is too versatile for Darkseid to handle.

You may want to read up on some Darkseid because he would beat Surfer easily. Cyborg Superman has most of the powers Surfer has including energy and matter manipulation, Darkseid beat him in two moves.

Surfer alone would get manhandled. This team can win together but one on one they go down hard

52 Amazo isn't very powerful, this is one of those rare instances were prep isn't an over inflated concept. With 5 days of prep, even 1 day of prep Reed or Doom would run a train on Amazo. Pre 52 Amazo, not so much, at least not without his blue prints

Flash would wrck Runner by himself. Runner has absolutely no feats outside of beating Surfer

Lex is easily on Doom's level. In fact Lex has a greater track record of success than Doom has. Lex has lost to Superman? Doom has lost to Sentry, Spiderman, Luke Cage,Wiccan and Scarlet Witch, Black Panther and tons of other characters. Hell Doom would have even more losses against charactersl like Squirrel Girl had they not been retconned into Doombots. Lex won't beat Surfer but Reed or Doom wouldn't beat him either without some BS plot device like taking Surfers powers away.

@TheSuperHuman said:

@darkazrael999 said:

@TheSuperHuman: I personally give this to Hal. He was able to kill a Guardian. No GL has been able to do that. And he can easily go toe-to-toe with Superman so he should be able to take Omni-Man.

Omni-Man easily tore apart the Guardians of the Globe, a team to which he was a member, and a team to which was that Universe's version of the Justice League. Omni-Man has unregistered strength, speed, and durable levels that put him somewhere up there with Superman. He has fought characters similar to those on the Justice League and made mince meat of them. Because Hal took out a Guardian doesn't mean he'll take out Omni-Man (or vice versa), though it does give him a point.

The Guardians of the Globe have done nothing to put them anywhere near the Leagues level and Omni Man isn't on the same planet as Supes. Supes would kill him instantly and so would Hal Jordan. This isn't even close to being a fair fight.

@darkazrael999 said:

@TheSuperHuman: A Guardian is significantly more powerful than a Kryptonian. And the Guardians of The Globe are nowhere near the League in terms of power. They have basically zero feats. Omni-Man can never slaughter the Justice League that easily.

And Hal is capable of beating Superman. He has gone toe-to-toe with Superman many times. If John Stewart can single-handly go against Wonder Woman, Superman and Flash and dominate, I doubt that Hal would lose to Omni-Man that easily. Yes, I admit that this fight can go either way but I give this to Hal 6/10.

John Stewart went toe to toe with Superman Flash and Diana when he was posseesed by Parallax

Not that it matters, Hal or John would decimate Omni Man 10/10

Only if Surfer is in character and Lex tricks him. He could use a device similar to Doom and Panther to drain him of the PC

Otherwise Surfer would take his head off, no amount of prep would save Lex or any prep user from a blood lusted Surfer.