Kain

@Avenger85 said:

@danhimself: yeah this. It's the merging with Apocalypse that caused stuff to start going "off the reservation" for Scott. Basically that one event turned his entire life upside-down.

Hopefully the younger version of him will avoid this happening when he goes back to his own time.

Impossible. They return to their time and Xavier mind wipes them all so they don't change history.

Oh, and he didn't so much denounce Xavier's dream as he still believes in it. It's the passive methods he doesn't agree with anymore.

@chocobojam said:

Cyclops doesn't really get new power nor his power is enhance in any way.

its just that he lost his ability to fully control his powers which make it seems to look like too powerful.

No, he's more powerful. His blasts had become so powerful that they were blasting his visor from his face. His control is limited to his visor, the fact that his visor can't even stay on due to the power of his blasts shows he's got a power increase. The reason he has lost control now is because they're more powerful.

@dangallant984 said:

@Kain said:

Because regardless of the morals of the matter Cyclops was ultimately right. The phoenix did reignite the mutant race. Hell, Cyclops wasn't even morally wrong and even if he were he still came out being right at the end of it all.

@John Valentine said:

Cyclops wasn't wrong to take that risk. He would have been wrong not to take it given what he knew about the future of the mutant race.

The people who might have died if Hope couldn't have controlled the Phoenix force might not think that it was his choice to make. The people who are now mutants because of the risk he took might not think that it was his choice to make. Most other mutants, even, did not think that it was his choice to make.

Cyclops played dice with the fate of the planet; that he won doesn't mean he had the right to play with everybody else's money.

It might make him super bad-ass and hard-core dedicated that he didn't let that stop him (actually, it totally does), but that still didn't make it his decision to make. Don't get me wrong, I love Cyclops, and I do appreciate that he was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for what he believes in; that is truly heroic. And I'm really glad he's played the part that he has in recent events, because, at the end of the day, it just really does make for a better story, but that still doesn't justify what he did, morally.

Not his decision to make? Last I checked it wasn't his decision, it was the Phoenix that came back and did all of that and would have done so with or without Cyclops being involved. Cyclops has forced nothing on anyone, the phoenix restored the natural order of things and, again, would have done so with or without him being there as the Avengers showed that had zero way of stopping it.

Cyclops didn't play dice with anyone or anything, he knew what the phoenix was there to do from the beginning since he knows the phoenix better than most. He wasn't taking a risk, he wasn't playing with lives he knew the phoenix was not there to harm anyone. Just to fix the mess the Scarlet Witch made.

@Gambit1024 said:

How did he get an upgrade? Secondary mutation?

Nope. Side effect from his possession of the Phoenix force.

People thinking this is going to lead to Cyclops dying are insane. Also, redemption doesn't mean regression so I very much doubt he's reverting to his boy-scout ways either. If he was going to die he would have died in AvX. He isn't dying.

@slimlim said:

I would like to see a family gathering. Although i'm not sure about them all "getting along".

Cyclops and Havok having sibling issues. Havok being in his brother's shadow and now being at odds with him because of AVX.

Cable may be Cyclops only REAL offspring, but the two have been clashing heads since his 90s X-Force days. I dont remember whether he voiced any disapproval regarding Emma, but Jean was the closest thing to a Mother as "Redd", and im sure the psychic affair wldnt have gone down too nicely.

Rachel, while not 616 Cyclop's REAL daughter, was more or less "adopted" by them. and we know for sure she's got some daddy issues regarding the affair with Emma Frost.

While Cyclops is numero uno in the Summers family, i would actually like to see more of how the rest of the family feel about EACH OTHER. We've seen glimpses with Cable & X-Force running into the Uncanny Avengers, but nothing extensive. Does Rachel harbour a resentment for Cable for being a real sibling? Does Havok try to be a father figure to Rachel now that Cyclops has gone renegade? Do any of the Summers even CARE about Nate Grey? (i know i dont)

Cable never really showed any issue with Cyclops and Emma. He doesn't tend to care about irrelevant things like that, being busy with one mission after the other doesn't leave much time for that.

Also, I'm pretty sure Cable and Rachel consider each other siblings just as Rachel called Jean Grey in 616 "Mom" all the time. She even called Cyclops "dad" a few times but mostly calls him by his first name.

On the matter of whether or not Rachel should be considered his daughter, it doesn't change the fact that both Jean and Cyclops considered her as such.

@acer51 said:

@Kain said:

@acer51 said:

@Osian2: How about declaring himself supreme authority over the entire world, forcing evreyone to recognize the x-men as the rulers of the world?

No Cyclops is not blameless in this, he will still need be held accountable for his actions, however Avengers are not to blame either, there lack of diplomacy in this matter is disturbing.

Not once did they declare themselves rulers of the world. Re-read the event please.

Maybe you should learn to read in between the lines.

Oh? You mean make up events that didn't happen like you are? No, I'd rather pay attention to what actually happened than make up complete crap.

Not a new power, just a power boost to his optic blast.

@dangallant984 said:

@Kain said:

@dangallant984 said:

Cyclops was right about the Phoenix giving people back their mutations.

Cyclops was wrong to take that risk.

So Cyclops was wrong.

That logic is beyond moronic.

really? I just mean that, while he was technically right, he was morally wrong, and therefore, in my opinion, he was ultimately wrong.

how is that comparable to being moronic?

Because regardless of the morals of the matter Cyclops was ultimately right. The phoenix did reignite the mutant race. Hell, Cyclops wasn't even morally wrong and even if he were he still came out being right at the end of it all.

@acer51 said:

@Osian2: How about declaring himself supreme authority over the entire world, forcing evreyone to recognize the x-men as the rulers of the world?

No Cyclops is not blameless in this, he will still need be held accountable for his actions, however Avengers are not to blame either, there lack of diplomacy in this matter is disturbing.

Not once did they declare themselves rulers of the world. Re-read the event please.