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@dredeuced: The point that I was making was that it would be out of character for either version of Barry to fight at his top speeds in most circumstances. He is likely to under use his powers most of the time based on what we have seen. According to the rules of this forum we are supposed to conduct these discussions assuming that the opponents are in character, unless specified otherwise in the OP. My argument isn't even that the Fearsome Four will necessarily win, but that the certainty of Flash winning as you described it seems overstated. If he were blood lusted or otherwise out of character then I think it would be a cut and dry victory for Flash. There is also an issue here of overlooking that Klaw's and Hydro-Man's bodies are not made of flesh and blood. Having bodies made of water and sound means that even with a speed advantage they will be more difficult to injure than many opponents.

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@dredeuced: Flash's maneuverability and velocity would be an issue for him was the point I was trying to make. Another issue is that one of the four can take civilians as hostages to leverage control over the Flash. We have to also consider that The Flash has been shot before by his Rogues who are excellent marksmen such as Captain Cold or Heat Wave, even though they only have human reflexes. The Trapster is an excellent marksman who is know for projecting adhesives that are special designed to neutralize his targets powers. He also has in his arsenal a special lubricant that negates all friction, that he could use to make it hard for Flash to remain mobile.

Hydro-Man can use his own body or any of the water around him to potentially drowned the Flash if he isn't careful. The Wizard's gravity disk allow him to manipulate the field of gravity around any object that they stick to, which could be a threat to Flash. Klaw may be the biggest challenge of the group because he is made of sound, and has such a mastery of sound that he can shape it into solid moving constructs.

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@thunderbolt30: None of the feats you have posted show Storm doing damage to a being with durability on par with an S-class demon.
The characters in Yuyu Hakusho can typically move much faster then normal human senses can keep up with. at 10:48 of this clip we see that even a seasoned fighter such as Kuabara, who is capable of keeping up with opponents with super speed was unable to keep up with what was going on during the fight between Yusuke and Jin.

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As an S class demon his durability should be able to tank any hits from Storm. I think his senses are faster to fight upper class demons. So i think he wins.

Yes, this was a big part of what I was trying to point too.

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@ace13385: Considering the environment that they are fighting in the four are going to use the bystanders around them to gain leverage in the fight. It would be far out of character for Flash to go all out with his powers if he could hurt innocent people around him.

Why would Flash going all out with his powers endanger bystanders? None of his powers really have any major collateral damage problems. I'd imagine it'd be quite the opposite, actually.

If they are in the middle of Central City when there are people all about , Flash will have to be very careful how fast and where he runs. He won't go anywhere near top speed if he could risk running into someone and killing them, and the four will take advantage of that. I'm not saying the Flash can't win, but it will be a lot more difficult for him than if he were fighting them in a more isolated environment.

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@ace13385: Considering the environment that they are fighting in the four are going to use the bystanders around them to gain leverage in the fight. It would be far out of character for Flash to go all out with his powers if he could hurt innocent people around him.

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@thunderbolt30: Storm has been tagged and knocked out by opponents much slower than Jin in the past, getting in close would not be as difficult for Jin as you are making it sound. When Jin and Yusuke fought he did not retreat from the punch to recover, but to formulate a plan. You speak as if being hit by Yusuke isn't a big deal, but single punch from Yusuke would have at least hospitalized Storm. The use of wind to redirect Cyclops's is impressive, but it is mot the same thing as redirecting an energy attack on the scale of Yusuke's spirit gun. Is there even any evidence that Storm can seriously injure someone with Jin's durability? You have to remember that Yuyu Hakusho characters are far above human durability.

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Storm elemental powers are more versatile than Jin's, but because of the supernatural nature of his powers Jin can do many things with wind that Storm can't. Two examples are His ability to use wind to tare through sturdy materials such as stone and metal, and use wind to repel energy attacks. Jin also has an advantage in terms of his physical abilities. He is much more fast, agile, and strong than Storm. We must consider that Jin was durable enough to take punches and kicks from Yusuke, and get hit with his spirit wave point blank and live to tell about it. Had Storm received the same physical punishment she would of been killed. For these reasons I am going to say Jin would win.