k4tzm4n

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Punisher

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  (Assume the two have never met and The Punisher has no idea at all who Blade is)The Punisher has been given an anonymous tip that there is a mad-man has been running around and gunning down innocent people claiming that they are vampires. The tip reveals where Blade will be the next night. Frank is skeptical but decides to trail the guy the next night just to check it out. He sees Blade in a club filled with people and flashing lights. Blade walks up to two people dancing  and when they notice him they run. Frank then sees Blade run after them with inhuman speed then punch one of the two with inhuman strength. He then sees Blade pull out a machine gun, shoot out the lights, then he sees the muzzle flash as he opens fire on the couple. When the emergency lights cut on, there are screams from others inside, the bodies of the vampire familiars on the ground and Blade is no where to be seen. Frank then makes the decision to kill Blade and end his killings without realizing he has been set up by enemies of lade and the two familiars had been sent to the club to die. frank does his research on Blade and finds out his habits and powers. He then buys a warehouse and has $500000 from the anonymous tipster to put whatever traps he wants in it. Finally he buys 10 Grenades, gets 3 pistols with 8 clips each, a M-60, an M-16 with 5 clips, two combat knives, and an Automatic shotgun. Punisher tricks Blade into entering the warehouse and then it is locked down with no way out. Blade enters with his sword, 5 UV grenades, one Uzi a pistol, and one knife. He enters on high alert. Can Frank win or will Blade come out on top? Who wins and why. (Sorry I had to type so much but I felt I had to set the mood) "

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" @Morpheus_ said:

1) KOing other, stronger, and more durable opponents doesn't necessitate victory against any opposition. If this were the case, DD would be unbeatable; he isn't.
2) i) He can't leave if there is no exit nearby. And this is a fight, not hide and seek. ii) He has, but the Lizard is less susceptible to fatigue than he is. The more the fight prolongues, the more the Lizard will gain the upper hand.
3) We can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that the chances of the Lizard to one shoot DD are far more than those of DD doing so (if it is indeed possible to one shoot him). The Lizard has demonstrated the ability to land hits on Spider-man, a far more agile (even though far less skilled)  combatant, without difficulty at close range (and DD has to get close to achieve a nerve strike). The difference between them is, Spider-man can take it. DD can't. "

1.No...Ko'ing stronger more durable people proves DD can do it.The Lizard doesn't have any powers or traits that DD hasn't dealt with.He's not anywhere near as smart or smarter than DD in combat.He's not faster than what DD can tag or dodge,he's not too durable for DD to hurt..so what is he going to do?  2.The fight's not hide in seek but who said the exit isn't right near where they are? How is the Lizard one shotting DD more likely when the Lizard doesn't have the track record he has.Between DD's ability to dodge shots from superhumans and his far superior fighting skill and combat I.Q,I don't see how that makes any sense.  3.The ability to land shots on Spider-Man? DD threw his billy club at SYMBIOTE Spider-Man and was behind him before he even knew DD moved.I don't see how his agility means anything when DD is the far better acrobat and has kept up with Spider-Man,Beast (owned him actually),and Nightcrawler.Why would close range be a problem for DD when he's the better fighter? He's beaten more powerful people than the Lizard with his radar sense blocked. "

1) I never disregarded his potential to do it. Nor his intelligence...But even though I'm smarter than the Lizard, that wouldn't save me from getting ripped in half by him. And so wouldn't Daredevil. As for him not being fast, or durable enough, what can I say? We're running down in circles here. I have repeatedly stated that the Lizard needs one shot to injure, or kill DD. With DD at very close range, I find more likely for the Lizard to land that one hit he needs due to his feriociousness, and the good use of both his fangs, claws, and tail,  than DD to apply the right amount of pressure  to KO him while completely avoiding getting hit from all the above mentioned.
2) No one said where the exit is. That was the point. We have no exact location.
3) DD doing anything to symbiote Spider-man, or moving in speed beyond his comprehension is PIS (no matter how good the actual story was), as established from the showings both characters have. Also, since you are referring to the Jean DeWolff fight, I believe that DD admitted that if it weren't for Peter's anger clouding his judgment during the fight, he wouldn't have been able to defeat him. I don't know when DD has fought Beast, or Nightcrawler (I take your word for it), but taking into consideration the complete difference in character morals between these two and the Lizard (I doubt Beast, of all people would go for kill shots, unless he was mind controlled), I still stand by my first evaluation. "

 1.You're also not Daredevil.You don't have his speed and agility so that comparison doesn't help you at all.We're going around in circles because you're not taking in account that DD could just as easily take the Lizard down with one hit.That one shot you say the Lizard needs..doesn't have to connect.  2.DD doesn't need an exit.He can K.O the Lizard.  3.It can't be PIS if he keeps doing it.Yes,DD said that he wouldn't have beaten Spider-Man if his anger wasn't clouding his judgement,but my point has nothing to do with him beating Spider-Man but tagging him with the symbiote on (which increases physical ability including speed) before he could react.Spider-Man didn't even know where he was and he has precog.Also I didn't bring up Spider-Man,Beast or Nightcrawler to say DD can beat them so he can beat the Lizard.I brought them up because you said the Lizard has better agility.My point was what does it matter if his agility is enough for him to keep up with other people who have it on superhuman levels but are also Master level acrobats? "

1) It was an exaggerated response on how intelligence and tactical knowledge does not always grant an edge against physically superior opponents. And I never said I don't take into account DD's skills...I just said I find it unlikely for him to do it here. Nothing wrong with sticking to your opinion, and me to mine.
2) You're missing the point. I keep on saying this: we need an exact location. It's not like NY is a valley or something. Each location differs from another, and that could shift the balance of this fight.
3) I know you did not brought up those characters to prove DD can beat them. But his ability to tag them also depends on their disposition towards him, which is mostly positive. Spider-man, NC and Beast, even in anger would not want to see DD seriously harmed. My point was, the Lizard will have no such problem. Also, Spider-man not knowing where DD is at all, with or without the symbiote, is hard to accept, no matter how many times it has happened. "

1.Since when? When in Marvel has any street leveler not been able to beat someone physically superior (not like Hulk,Juggernaut level but just superhuman) simply because they are more skilled and intelligent in combat? Daredevil has ran through Spider-Man's rouge gallery with pretty much no problem.The Lizard and a few others have only not had the pleasure of getting owned by DD..because they haven't fought him.So my point is this..why would the Lizard be able to beat DD when DD constantly deals with people of similar abilities? The Lizard has no real edge here.Nothing in the Lizards arsenal is above what DD has already dealt with. 2. It doesn't matter where in NY they fight,an office building,a park,a sewer,a power plant,madison square garden,the police station,in a tree.DD is going to break him off. 3.Well I first of all can't see how you don't accept consistency.I second of all don't see how you would make the argument of Spider-Man,NC,and Beast not wanting to hurt DD when he's never actually fought NC..I was just mentioning the fact that he has kept up with him acrobatically,Spider-Man has been bloodlusted against DD twice,and DD was stomping Beast out which even someone who is holding back isn't going to lose simply because they don't want to hurt who their fighting.Also DD has fought villains with that level of speed and agility and kept up...Sabretooth,Ape-Man,Mandrill,Venom etc. "

"If Sabretooth can land a hit, he wins. If not, Lady DS wins. "

"Outnumbered by characters who are weaker than girls armed with keys.  Elektra is the only person Bullseye has beaten in hand to hand that has any kind of skill and he slit her throat from a distance first.  Yes, Bullseye wins this, but he can't take on Zsasz in close. "

" @k4tzm4n said:

"....Spider-Man leaps that distance in less than the blink of an eye, KO's Scott with a single hit, bounces off his body, flips in the air, webs up Gambit and KO's him as well. "

An accurate description. Good to see you again, K4tz. I started to think you had lost interest in the battle threads. "

"Seriously?  Cyclops could just TAKE his visor completely off, and open his eyes.  The resulting beam would be MASSIVE.. like so large that all of the agility in the world couldn't help Spiderman evade it. It would hit him like a freight train and literally destroy him.   Cyclops destroys Sentinels with that stuff. "