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The Battles Bible - MANDATORY READING BEFORE POSTING!

We all love the battles thread, but unfortunately it's populated with a number of terrible matches. Be it a complete lack of balance or too much to logically debate about, a good deal of the threads here aren't anything to write home about. So Viners, I plead to you, think these questions over before making a thread. I present to you: The Battles Bible.

Creating a thread

  • Is it honestly a fair match? Can you see either combatant winning or are you legitimately torn on who the clear winner is? If not, don't make it.
  • Does the match need a TON of rules to make it remotely fair? If so, don't make it.
  • Is the match between two fairly popular characters? It's likely going to be a dupe, so PLEASE search for it first (if the function on the site doesn't work, use google!). If so, don't make it. Because honestly, the last thing this place needs is ANOTHER Cap vs Batman or Hulk vs Superman.
  • The search function is found on the upper right hand part of the page. Obviously in this case you'll want to select "Battles" under the board drop down and then try searching for the match (ie Hulk vs Superman or Superman vs Hulk). If for some reason this option isn't working, open google or whichever search engine you commonly use. Then, type "comicvine" and after it, the match idea. For example "comicvine Superman vs Hulk" or "comicvine Hulk vs Superman."
  • Do people know about the character you're involving? If he/she/it is very obscure, provide extra details. We all love to learn about new characters, so share with us your knowledge, and if possible, scans.
  • Does your match have more than 14 characters going at it? Odds are this is far too complex and there are way too many variables (not to mention the difficulty in properly balancing such a match). Please try to avoid these (here's looking at you, vague X-Men vs JL threads).
  • Does your match have details? Are the characters current or classic versions? Do they have their standard weapons? Where are they fighting? How far apart do they begin? Are they visible? Are they in character?
  • Spice up your thread with some images. Provide a picture of the characters involved and location if possible.

Posting in a thread

  • Is an old thread a clear spite match and you're bumping it just to point that out? Don't post, just flag it and a mod will likely lock it.
  • Is a new thread a clear spite match and you're posting just to point out it's a mismatch? That's fine, but flag it, too.
  • Do you really want to spend your time on Comicvine just making a series of posts that are "name wins?" If you think a character wins, elaborate a bit. What allows them to win? Superior power? Superior skill? Have they fought in the comics? Recall any feats that help in comics? Help make threads fun again, drop a knowledge bomb and go cold turkey on the "name wins" posts.
  • Is someone being a total jerk in a thread? Don't engage them, flag the post and let a moderator handle it. I know it's tough to resist feeding the trolls, but do your best!
  • Throw away your personal bias. I love Gambit, but I'm not going to say "Gambit, duh!" in Gambit vs Hulk. There's no shame in a character you love losing a battle.
  • Don't disrespect other characters by only using low end feats. Perfect example: Deadpool getting knocked out by the large hot dog. Come on, we know it takes more than that to down him, so don't try to get away with only downplaying the character on the opposite side of your argument. Take into account all feats and make your own logical conclusion on their levels. The very same applies to high end feats as well. Don't spam "Spidey beat Firelord, therefore he beats anyone less than Firelord!" You'll get no respect with that silliness.
  • Don't be stubborn and egotistical. No matter how much we know, there's always someone out there that knows more about something else. These debates aren't about winning, they're about learning and sharing your knowledge. Don't foolishly stand by your original stance just because you don't want to "lose." That's nonsense. It far more respectable to admit you were wrong on something than to drag it out.
  • Matches are always assuming the characters face off 10 different times. Not in a row, just what would happen if the encounter took place 10 times. Who wins the majority of that is what's important and why.
  • Take note of the date a post was made. If you see something you disagree with and feel like replying, take a moment to look at the date. It could be years old and that person has changed their mind or is possibly even no longer active. Continue through the thread and join the current convos instead of jumping in the time machine and going back in time.
  • If you're going to bump a very old thread, bring something new to the table. It's rather silly to bump something like "Deadpool vs Wolverine" with a post that only says "Deadpool" if it has been idle for over a year. I assure you, that's not changing any minds.
  • Can you really say a character wins if you know nothing about the other one or your knowledge is just limited to some scans you've seen tossed around? Take advantage of the community's knowledge and ask questions before posting about who you think would win. Otherwise, you're just going to get called out on it and look foolish. You don't want that, right?

Have another important rule you'd like to share? Post it and I'll update the OP!

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Is it asking too much to post links for characters when making a battle?

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@k4tzm4n: what does it mean if someone says bump

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Edited By heymanjack

I kinda wish there was a tally here or a tracker which shows the results of each battle so that people who visits can see the match up and the result.

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Silver surfer vs void

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Can we do away with the hole "No DBZ" thing

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Edited By kidman560

@wdc said:

Can we do away with the hole "No DBZ" thing

sorry to chirp in late here but i am a strong NO in this

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@wdc said:

Can we do away with the hole "No DBZ" thing

sorry to chirp in late here but i am a strong NO in this

A no on the anti-dbz threads, or a no on letting them back in?

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@wdc: a no on letting them back in

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I have a major request. Can we please stop Anime/Manga v.s Comic Book Characters.

Sometimes its a very reasonable battle but those are usually in the minority and people end up agree but others. Its illiterate fan boys that never bring up any factual evidence and their arguing skill are horrendous. They never drop their guard either. If their character doesn't win then no one wins, and most of the time the anime character are very inconsistent with their powers. I sorta want anime/manga separate from Comics definitely on the battle forums.

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I didn't read this before I started posting on the battle boards.

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@mitran: I've actually seen a lot of anime threads and like I said Sometimes its a very reasonable battle. Its not that I want anime gone from the Battle Threads its the fact that a majority of the ( I said majority not all) never provide an actual discussion. Also its just a request it is very likely not going to happen but I just wanted to say my concern

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Thanks! This really helped me out :)

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@k4tzm4n said:

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: Thank you.

Manipulating feats is in there:

Don't disrespect other characters by only using low end feats. Perfect example: Deadpool getting knocked out by the large hot dog. Come on, we know it takes more than that to down him, so don't try to get away with only downplaying the character on the opposite side of your argument. Take into account all feats and make your own logical conclusion on their levels.

I can't stop laughing at this.

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You know, theres a battle thread where aunt may fights galactus, thanos and dark phoenix. It hasn't been locked after over four years. just sayin, someone should get on that

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Can i get help with these match ups?

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/street-team-fight-brackets-1557661/

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You know, theres a battle thread where aunt may fights galactus, thanos and dark phoenix. It hasn't been locked after over four years. just sayin, someone should get on that

I'll say, Aunt may stomps

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I have a question!

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Is the Dragonball series (before the acts of DBZ, DBGT, and anything else I might not know about) held to the same rules? I completely understand if it is, just looking for some clarification :S haven't been on the battle forums, or the website itself for that matter, in a while.

And if this isn't the right way to ask questions well then you can ban me =P

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@k4tzm4n: thanks for posting. I'll screenshot these rules next time I post a battle :)

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I wish for DBZ to be let back in.

Just ban Superman vs Goku and we should be good.

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I wish for DBZ to be let back in.

Just ban Superman vs Goku and we should be good.

Still a strong no on this

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@serrure: Why? Because comic fanboys won't admit that Dragonball characters are planet busters (among other discrepancies), or because of the "inevitable" fact that Goku vs Superman will be brought up?

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@serrure: Why? Because comic fanboys won't admit that Dragonball characters are planet busters (among other discrepancies), or because of the "inevitable" fact that Goku vs Superman will be brought up?

thank you for proving my point 100%, the reason they were removed was for comments like that and you confirmed that it is still to early to bring them back

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well i did not read it

and i just posted

so im a rebel

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I just realized you can post on this.

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What if you didn't know it was a Spite match? Which is why humans are asking to know who would win

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@k4tzm4n: Can we ban equalize threads. They really seem like they are getting out of hand. Like Equalizing Speed and Strength and stuff just so 2 characters can fight? That kind of nerfing needs to be avoided IMO.

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@lukehero said:

@k4tzm4n: Can we ban equalize threads. They really seem like they are getting out of hand. Like Equalizing Speed and Strength and stuff just so 2 characters can fight? That kind of nerfing needs to be avoided IMO.

Seconded. It usually ends up being a huge nerf

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@rolandalderas: I think it started out with pure intentions, but now it just seems to have aggregated one fan base or the other. For good reason though...

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@lukehero said:

@k4tzm4n: Can we ban equalize threads. They really seem like they are getting out of hand. Like Equalizing Speed and Strength and stuff just so 2 characters can fight? That kind of nerfing needs to be avoided IMO.

Does "Does the match need a TON of rules to make it remotely fair? If so, don't make it." apply to that? I mean, even if someone is just using one or two rules to change the physicals, it's still a huge change because it's turning the character into something they're not? Are these matches common?

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@k4tzm4n: Yes they are becoming more and more frequently unfortunately. I don't think there were any ill intentions in doing so, but it's becoming annoying to both major fanbases(marvel & dc). It seems there were a trend of taking a Marvel Brick, then equalizing speed, and putting them up against a DC Powerhouse.

Example: Made 6 Days ago

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/hercules-vs-wonder-woman-1653728/?page=1

Then we started getting threads like this:

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/supergirl-vs-hulk-1654287/

Now we are so far down the rabbit hole with this stuff(from both Marvel & DC fans), we have gotten to the point we have street lever vs high tier character threads:

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/red-hood-vs-thor-1655743/

Theses are just some recent example, this whole thing started IMO way back months ago. We were getting a lot of Hulk speed equalized vs a DC powerhouse threads...like this:

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/world-breaker-hulk-vs-supermen-1621339/

I think this is something that needs to be addressed in my humble opinion before it gets further out of hand. I do want to be 100% clear that I do not think this comes from a place of malice intent, but I think it has gotten rather silly.

Thank You for your time.

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Goku vs Superman who wins

JK!

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@k4tzm4n: sry to bother u but can you tell me whats a CAV?

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@deadlake said:

@k4tzm4n: sry to bother u but can you tell me whats a CAV?

"Challenge a Viner."

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Finally Not Downplayment allow it.

I just got something to say or rather do.

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Nice

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Guess what came in the mail today)

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Anyone knows if DBZ vs Comics is still forbidden ? I want to make thread.

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im going to post what i want and not give a flying FRANKFURTER what some dude makes a topic off with his "Rules" especially since this is hypothetical battles i mean if every time i posted a battle and it actually will jump off the screen then i may give a BUTTS if a million she hulks are beaten to death in my living room also in your rules it says i should have clear idea of who would win THEN WHY MAKE A POST ASKING OTHERS OPINION . sounds like you like to argue

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Just wanted to say, this site is awesome!

Also one question though, is it acceptable or unnecessary to flag a battle poster claiming deathsroke is dc's version of deadpool.... Cause that's a borderline sin, even though the battle matchup was fair enough I feel the trollness went unjustified despite the raging comments

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im going to post what i want and not give a flying F@ck what some dude makes a topic off with his "Rules" especially since this is hypothetical battles i mean if every time i posted a battle and it actually will jump off the screen then i may give a f@ck if a million she hulks are beaten to death in my living room also in your rules it says i should have clear idea of who would win THEN WHY MAKE A POST ASKING OTHERS OPINION . sounds like you like to argue

You misunderstood the point of that one. It's just saying that if you make a match, it should be debatable instead of "one character obviously wins." The goal is to make balanced fights instead of one-sided stomps; that's all. Also, if you want to blatantly disregard the rules, you're free to do just that. I'm guessing you'll get banned pretty quickly, though.

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k4tzm4n  Moderator

Just wanted to say, this site is awesome!

Also one question though, is it acceptable or unnecessary to flag a battle poster claiming deathsroke is dc's version of deadpool.... Cause that's a borderline sin, even though the battle matchup was fair enough I feel the trollness went unjustified despite the raging comments

lol. Instead of flagging, educate the poster with facts ;)