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Hello fellow viners, and presumably Superman fans. Before anyone gets aggravated that I might be attacking their favourite character, please relax, I’m not here to perform a character assassination on Clark. I just thought some of you may be interested to gain some insight into why some people are not fans of Superman, maybe generate some discussion, you may even be able to change my opinion.

At one point I did invest a significant amount of time trying to get to know him better, attempted to try and see him in the same way many of you must see him. I read what I gathered are his classics: All Star Superman, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, Kingdom Come, Birthright, What’s So Funny About Truth, Justice and The American Way, Man of Steel, Red Son, For The Man Who Has Everything, Secret Origin. While I find the stories to be excellent, Superman himself just doesn’t do it for me.

I will state this off the bat. I don’t dislike Superman. He has cool powers, he’s a nice guy and a great hero. But I’m completely indifferent to him. And I think that’s worse. At least if there’s a character I strongly dislike, there is something about them that can evoke that reaction in me. With Superman I just don’t care, I find him boring.

I’ll give a few bullets to try and explain why, but I expect I will end up writing an essay, you are warned.

Please note I’m basing this all on Pre New 52 perceptions, I have not read New52 Superman solos except Unchained. I know he seems a little more arrogant and brash with a bit of attitude in New52, so please challenge me on these points if he is no longer like this.

Not relatable

I know many of you like to point out that the story of an outsider, trying to find out who he is and how he fits in is a very relatable story.

But I don’t see him that way. I don’t see him as an outsider. He’s been raised on Earth all his life, with loving parents, a typical, happy upbringing with some great friends. Given that he could accomplish pretty much anything another human might dream of doing with relatively little effort, I just don’t buy into being able to relate to his supposed struggle.

American Way

There’s nothing wrong with being patriotic, but he (or he used to) specifically fights for the American Way. Without hating on the old US of A, but given there are quite a few things about the American Way that I find disagreeable, it’s another reason I can’t get on board with him. It doesn’t interest me in the slightest. I think this might be a reason why a lot of non-US comic fans are not fans of Superman (although a lot of Superman fans are not from the US too)

Always do the right thing

Again, I know things may be different now (I think in Batman/Superman he even stated he’s not a boyscout), but given his reputation for always doing what’s just and right no matter what the situation, that just simply bores me. If I knew someone like that in real life I’d find them seriously irritating. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with morals, but his are a little too much for me. I find that there’s an air of being perfect about Superman, and perfect is boring to me.

Religion

There’s no denying there’s a religious element to Superman and his story is comparable with Jesus Christ, he is also quite often referred to as a God. Given my own personal beliefs, I dislike the idea of there being an all-powerful, mighty being who loves and protects humanity, while being worshipped by his followers. Not only does it bore me, but I disagree with it. I know you’ll say people don’t worship Superman as a religion in comics, but in my opinion the element of it is still there (or certainly it used to be the case in the comics) given the people of DC’s Universe admiration and love for him all over the world and people always crying out for his help.

I agree with Lex

No, not that Superman should die! (does he even think that anymore?) I just find it boring that people should look to Superman for hope, help and inspiration. This seriously bores me. I agree with Lex that it holds humanity back. I’m not saying Superman should stop helping people! I just don’t like the fact so many civilians in the DC Universe will continuously look to Superman as their source of inspiration or to be the answer to their problems, which also ties in with my problem about the religious aspect. I can’t care about someone when apparently they seem to be carrying all the answers to humanity’s problems.

Anyway, I hope I haven’t offended anyone if they took the time to read all that, hope you found some of it interesting as to why I don’t like Superman, and hopefully can generate some discussion.

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@jayc1324 said:

@superguy1591: Biology maybe, tactics most definitely. He uses them every day, its his best area besides detective work.

He is quite obviously a better tactician and strategist, he is essentially a soldier.

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Disguise? Escapology? Stealth? Running? Jumping?

I was counting his ninja training as part of martial arts so all this is pointless.

Driving? Okay, Batman got that. Lex doesn't really drive. And I was talking only about intellects, sorry if I didn't make that clear.

How could you have only been referring only to intellects, but then refer to his martial arts skills?

Anyway, Bruce is a superior battle tactician and strategist.

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@jayc1324: asides from martial arts and detective skills, Lex is Bruce is superior in everything.

Disguise? Escapology? Stealth? Driving? Weightlifting? Climbing? Running? Jumping? Literally anything that doesn't have to do with being academically smart?

What a ridiculous statement, Lex only ups Bruce in one department, and even then Bruce is extremely clever, he's just not Lex clever.

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@rustyroy said:

@entropy_aegis said:

Croc? what happened to the Riddler? and who's the girl?

If this was written by ANYONE but Johns I'd actually be celebrating.

Agreed, that was the most interesting part of the book for me, that's the only reason I'll probably think of getting this.

@saint_wildcard said:

@rustyroy: I don't know why youd want it here. It's gonna get ripped to shreds.

It should be either here or in DC/Gen. Discussion board.

Art is nice. Story is gonna suck hard though. Geoff Johns should just stay clear of Batman full stop.

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@watertaco: Well Cyborg is confirmed. Aquaman isn't confirmed but it's pretty much certain he will be in it, played by Jason Momoa. The Rock is almost certain to be playing Shazam, so it just remains to be seen if he will be connected to this film universe.

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@johnny_blaze said:

@k4tzm4n: Yeah but every month is COTM for Batman. You are being one sided about it. We're not complaining for the sake of complaining. If you saw it from our POV, you'd understand more.

Your POV? dude it was VOTED,or are you so arrogant as to believe that YOUR POV matters more than the rest of us?

Nailed it! Anyway:

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It's a great read and brilliant tribute to 75 years of the bat. Highly recommend to any batfans if they don't have it already.

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Haha, it must kill Geoff Johns that the character he hates most basically runs his company!

Anyway, Batman can provide this list to anyone in the DC Universe and it would be totally valid:

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@extremis said:

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@extremis: More of them selling their bestselling character? Yeah, ridiculous. Especially in his 75th year.

no one said it was ridiculous. cool your jets bra

My jets are ice cold. I just assumed you must be exasperated by all the batman stuff, hence your 'sigh'

yep I am

And my reply was just a sign of my bother that a person would

a) Be exasperated by a company pushing products based on the most popular product in their industry

b) Be exasperated by one of the greatest icons in comics getting even more exposure during his big 75th year ( regardless of the insane amount of exposure he has already, which is only a direct result of his insane popularity)

For me it's option c

Your redundant comment doesn't even make sense as they weren't options, a) and b) both bother me

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