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agreed.

You´re kidding right. There are documentaries on Wonder Woman, loads of them, articles, scholars who wrote about her, its News every time something happens to her. There was even an article in the guardian when she got a father. Go to New York Times archive. Type batman, type superman, type hulk, or spiderman and then type wonder woman, you´ll see there are masses of archived stories about her. The try GL and see if you get anything outside of his movie. Show me a documentary about Hal Jordan. WW is a massive cultural icon in comparison to GL, even after he´s had a movie. Sorry who ever is saying Green Lantern is more famous is deluded. Maybe you could argue Iron Man is more famous or Hulk, but you´re plain crazy if you think GL is more famous than WW.

lol, love that scene. must find it.

Looks awesome. Thats how I imagine it.

Yeah, i thought the WW2 one and the other short film I saw were tacky. Maybe this will modernize and stay true to the concept of WW. Not Rambo Woman from the Nazi trailer. Looks real promising.

Agree with everything you said, but I wouldn´t say they just dislike men, but legitimately are threatened by the outside world ruled by men. Considering The Amazons history, I think that is fair position, but fear of it is more prevalent than dislike or hatred.

By the way WW is already a massive gay icon, I think writers embracing gay themes in her mythology would do wonders in publicity for the character, especially amongst her gay fans.

I think Batwoman should be repackaged as something-woman, not sure what, but with Ghost Girl as a sidekick, a girl medium who has an assortment of powers related to being otherworldly. Batwoman, will strictly take on these threats and create weapons for that purpose alone. And she should move to Spectre City a spooky town, where the criminal underworld is headed by various sinister characters, who have links or are otherworldly creatures. Something to that extent. I then think she should be put in the Justice League, as one of the core members. They need a gay core member and that would give her the exposure she needs to be able to actually change her name to something more fitting, I think. The 0 issue in New 52 was an awesome origin story, if they can tweak it, so Batman doesn´t inspire her to be a hero, something else does, I think we could have a true gay icon of a superhero in some years. Added to that, getting her a movie would be nowhere near as hard as WW, because, unlike action movies, women are expected to be the stars of horror films. Most successful horror films always have a female lead. So it could kind of be seen as superhero meets horror genre.

With me, I´m a straight male, I have no overbearing interest in politics or social justice causes. Obviously, I would throw my hat in to say when something is wrong but I´m not a crusader as such (something I´m not so proud of) But I am a writer, who loves comics and more than anything I like a good character whether gay, female, ethnic or not. I also love when an established character is given more dimension as long as it makes sense to their mythology. For me all great wonder woman writers have accepted the elephant in the room and commented on it, including Marston, the originator or WW. It is so clear that The Amazons are a passionate and loving culture, why has sexuality just been utterly excluded from there story, when clearly it would make more sense and so much could be explored if it was introduced. So that´s my piece on WW.

As for Batwoman, again, she is a good character plain and simple and I also think a great role model for women and young lesbian women as well. She´s not perfect, there is tragedy to her story and I believe many people not just women and gay people would relate to her character and story. She´s total counter-culture, antiestablishment and badass. In this sense I think she needs exposure outside her title, especially in the big 3. Obviously we don´t want her coupling with Batman as she would really be in his shadow, however she clearly has chemistry with WW, as seen in the comic they starred in together, thats why I think a crossover elseworld story with her and wonder woman as lovers, using their relationship to explore the Amazons history and the current attitude toward gay superheroes, would defo sell amongst the growing gay community of comic readers and would do neither harm for getting more exposure. I personally think as long as Batwoman, gets equal if not a bit more time in the comic to be explored it could really work out for both characters and deepen WW´s character alot.

But DC aren´t doing great comics like this anymore, they´ve shelfed their elseworlds and to be honest have become quite juvenille in the stories they tell these days. Gone are the days where DC´s heroes really interacted with the real world and had something interesting to say about it. so I doubt it will ever happen anyway.

I love Batwoman as a character, I really think she needs more exposure, as she is the best female character, in the DC universe outside Catwoman and Wonder Woman.

I think pre-new 52 ww and her could really have worked as a couple for a while. Just exploring the fact that ww was not ok with letting the world know that before she left paradise island she was ofcourse with women. not to say she didn´t want to come out of the closet, just that she didn´t want her sexuality to encroach upon her mission. in this way it could be explored ww seeming asexuality throughout her time in mans world in conversations with batwoman, who tries to convince Di to reveal her sexuality to the world. it would be good to have that addressed.

Also as I said Batwoman is a really fierce and great character, in some ways I understand her being called batwoman, in that if she wasn´t part of the bat family she would never have sold as well. but to a degree I really wish she had have just been her own character, her own city etc. I also think she has enough of a following now that they could try and change her name and do that for her. both ww and her fight mostly mystical forces so again there is a connection. but back to what i was saying i think she has a strong enough origin that she could take on her own identity and not be part of the batfamily. and so as to really establish her, get her to join the justice league on the side. she´s a real badass as i said and want her to get more exposure badly.

My point to you is this, you don´t Azz changing everything about her, but you mind them "changing" her gay. Azz has not explored anything about ww, because the character in his book is not ww. thats the point I was making. As for the inverted commers, it is easy to see why WW who is obviously bi, was not treated as such before. The simple reason is when she was created, no characters could be gay or bisexual, but even the creators of WW were bisexual, Marston, his wife and his lover created the character together and all the games that were played between the amazons in earlier comics were clearly to suggest that there was a sexuality between the amazons. They had no men around, so they obviously they were into eachother. Also, Amazon did not in the beginning nor have they ever hated men, until geoff johns and Azz got their grubby little hands on them. they feared the world of man, they did not hate them. This was an impossibility in Marston and Perrez´s version as they were children of Aphrodite whose hearts were blessed with love. As for your suggestion it has never been mentioned in wonder woman comics, wonder woman mentioned in Ruckas run, that she could possibly have a girlfriend. In Simones run it was clearly stated that many Amazons had relations with eachother including the circle. The fact is ww and the amazons sexuality has been neutered by alot of writers, just cause they don´t want to go there. Even Steve Trevor has got the boot. One because they can´t accept her being in a relationship with man, who is clearly less powerful than her. Hence this ridiculous pairing with superman. two, as I said Marston obviously suggested the amazons were prone to sexual games with one another, so once again I would see it as a change if they made ww straightup lesbian, but if she was bisexual, it would actually honor the vision of the creator and the best runs on ww. if you are saying keep ww the same sexuality as for the majority of her existence, then the truth is ww is asexual. that to me is not a good, authentic or healthy portrayal of a female hero. the boys have multiple relationships, why should wonder woman be in any different.

supes - lana and lois

batman - catwoman, talia, chase maridian and more.

flash - iris murdoch

spider-man - mary jane gwen stacy

wonder woman - steve trevor kind of, trevor barnes kind of, the less said about nemisis the better.

anyway i´m not trying to be insulting, i´m saying read her comics, and you´ll see the idea of her being bi, is not new at all.

@bogey: Whats that mean?