@bullpr - Sorry my friend. Too busy sleeping with really really really hot women to research so much on what is obvious, both sides are wrong and need to cut it out and stop killing children. No justification. None. Now I´m going back to sleep with some chicks.
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Actually, Gal Gadot is still Israeli and served for two years in the IDF (not Mossad) so her showing her support to her brothers and sisters in arms is nothing to be outraged about. She was on those streets, she was there, she's not clueless and has a better frame of reference than anyone on these boards criticizing her so far.
She's a military veteran supporting the people of her country and their military, which she was a part of.
did you read the comments or just assume what people said. Hardly anyone has acted outraged at Gal, neither have I said she was wrong, it´s actually been a rather civil discussion for the most part. Maybe respond to what is being said rather than responding to what you assume has been said. We have discussed back and forth on many aspect of the situation and as I said by and large it has been a civil discussion, with everyone free to share their thoughts, without name-calling, blaming or accusations of wrong doing. I am obviously not Israeli and not Jewish, so I cannot know how she feels, on the other hand I am a WW fan, and I know what she represents. Having said that you can´t possibly be suggesting I have no right to have an opinion or state my thoughts on the current conflict simply because I have never served in the Israeli Military and therefore must no nothing about what´s going on? I asked the initial question only in reference to her playing WW - as well as - Gal´s fellow actors being threatened to be blacklisted by Hollywood Executives for daring to say anything against Israel. I have gone no further than that nor did I claim to be outraged by her comments, being uncomfortable with something, is not the same as being outraged.
What's with this post she's Israeli and she supports her country I don't see anything wrong with supporting your country. Also I don't support any side since I haven't been there and I don't believe everything they say on The TV we don't really know who started this conflict.
Depends on what country, surely? Or is nationalism a virtue in and of itself always worth following?
I actually think Nationalism or National Pride as a whole tends to be a rather silly affair. Nationalism simply teaches people to hate those they don´t know or have never met; some how take pride in achievements, they had no responsibility for, and, claim to have gone through trials of human suffering they never experienced. I think humanism should be taught, especially in these times of war. Sure sometimes we must defend ourselves, but we should do in on a rational basis, not on the basis of hatred towards the other side. My fear when it spills over into irrationalism and blind hatred toward our perceived enemies, as Nationalism often inclines war into the direction of, every side then loses the moral high ground. One cannot preach righteousness of their cause through the prism of Nationalist Fervor, and Irrationalism. It immediately negates what they have to say, even if they do have some valid points, because really it means their intention is to punish and destroy, rather than defend, and seek peace.
1. I agree with you that it is wrong for people to cry racism at any criticism just because they belong to an ethnic group. If you've got a problem with someones personality and they happen to be a different race it is not racism. Full stop. Rather it is a criticism of the person themselves and how they act. It only becomes racism when people fully hate the person because of there ethnic origin. So yeah if people have got a problem with Israel because of the amount of civilian deaths it's not anti semetic rather it's a cry for Israel to be careful in their defence.
2. Again that is a valid point. Actors who play super heroes are needed to be morally upright or posses the same qualities as their character. Like you said, Christopher Reeves acted like superman a lot in his real life. He donated much to charity and spent time at the make a wish foundation dressed up as superman. Henry cavil does the same thing. Christian bale like you mentioned went to the funerals for the people who died in the batman shootings and signed autographs and gave his condolences to the families of the lost. Ron Perlman also spends time at make a wish foundation as hellboy. However i believe it is slightly to early for Gal Gadot to appear like she is wonder woman mainly because we don't know how WW will act in the film. If the script has changed her from being an envoy of peace to a warrior born then she will act a different way. At the end of the day Gadot made these remarks not to promote Israel itself but acknowledge the sacrifices being made by the IDF soldiers. Since she was in the military she is going to support the troops so to speak and I personally still think it's too early to judge her.
Fair enough. Agreed on both points. although on a separate note I hope she isn´t simply presented as a warrior, especially in her own film. I think that is a terrible way to depict and reintroduce the character to a new age. Her dedication to peace and diplomacy, is what´s made her standout from so many other superheroes throughout the years. I mean with Snyder I have no hope, I know he´s just eating up New 52 and even if he did try and encapsulate her ideals, I´m pretty sure he´d screw it up. So I´m pretty much expecting badass warrior/paltry feminist, who is a love interest to Bruce or Clark. However I´m hoping she´ll do well enough in the movie that they´ll green light a solo project which a new team can come on and rectify and bring in parts of the original concept of the character. Who knows what they´ll do but I find the Ambassador of Peace/Warrior a far more compelling character, with far more inner conflict between how to balance both sides. But knowing WB, I´m guessing she will just be badass warrior with no message apart from "Lets Fight." and some fey idiotic version of Girl Power. Who knows?
Ah hell i'm gonna get ripped apart for this. Ah well here goes.
Before I start I want to say this is all my own opinion and I don't support any side. I'm not american or israeli, in fact I'm British. Go figure.
It doesn't really matter what Gadot says because it doesn't affect the character. Wonder Woman in the new 52 has been portrayed as someone who intervenes when she wants to. Like when her and superman went to a mid east country and rescued a bunch of hostages from terrorists even though the US government wasn't allowed over the border. Whose to say she, if she existed, wouldn't intervene in this conflict? Secondly I absolutely love how everyone jumps the gun to demonise Israel but not Hamas or how they're rockets are killing children in Israel. Israel could probably start putting ads on TV saying look at our children dying. But they don't. Unlike the rest of the world they're not afraid to respond in force, which yes can result in deaths of civilians and that is truly horrible but at the end of the day this a war not for nation or anything else but for existence. In every war there is civilian casualties no matter how hard they try to avoid them. It's a grim reality of war and that truly is a shame. But look were Israel is. The country that is Jewish too it's core is surrounded by Muslim countries. Again muslims are generally nice people and i am proud to call many my friend. It is extremist that ruin the whole thing for everyone. Throughout the last 60 or 70 years Israel have been attacked repeatedly. The four day war, the Munich massacre and so on and so forth. Do you really think they're gonna lie down and take it? No. They have as much right to defend themselves as any other country. Until the entirety of Hamas is destroyed then what is the point of Israel sitting back and letting their country be bombed. Or is that the only way they can gain peace? By letting Hamas even the plate so to speak. Hell if that's the case give Hamas nukes and lets all sit back and enjoy the fireworks show.
1. Well put. But can I ask you 2 questions, is it right for Jewish Producers to call people out as antisemetic if they don´t agree with how Israel are handling things, and further more threaten their livelihood?
2. It is true playing Wonder Woman does not mean one has a responsibility to do or act in anyway. She´s just a character. However, how would you have felt about Christian Bale if he said nothing about 2012 Aurora shooting? And is it not true that Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman, are so well-loved and admired as characters and symbols that in away actors do somehow take on a small responsibility when playing them? Look at all the work Lynda Carter has done with Feminist causes and LGBT as well as other charitable work. Christian Bale has done similar work with children after playing Batman. Obviously Christopher Reeves was very vocal in various causes throughout his life, because he knew the message he was sending was all the more powerful, because he in many peoples minds was the definitive Superman. Silly as it is, especially children find it very difficult to separate these actors from these roles. For adults it´s fine. But what they do both inside and outside the cape becomes a very powerful message once they take on the role. It´s not that we think of them as the character but we associate them with the character. And as stated before especially young children. I mean we think of Superman as just some fictional character, but look at the backlash to Man Of Steel when he just killed someone. That´s what these 3 characters especially mean to people. It may not really sink in how powerful and how tremendous a responsibility she has until kids come up to her on the street and they are not calling her Gal, but "Hey Wonder Woman." I think for people on this board because we haven´t seen her yet, and we still think of her as this little Jewish model whose words are insignificant, we´re just dismissing it. But once that film drops if she is well-recieved in the movie that is our generations WW. And I truly dread the day she uses that privilege to be routing for one side or another a brutal and barbaric war, which has claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocents.
That is my worry.
@fallschirmjager - i´m not moaning or complaining. I wanted to find out what people thought. As for an actor having their own beliefs which should not concern the characters they play, I agree. But given the volatile and very current nature of this bitter conflict I thought it was worth discussing. I never said she shouldn´t play WW because of her beliefs, did I?
I merely said I feel uncomfortable with the woman playing WW espousing such Nationalistic beliefs (in a time when many consider what Israel is doing to constitute criminal behavior) given the nature of the character and what she is supposed to represent. That´s my opinion, I´m glad you have yours.
As for whether I support any actor stating what they think, of course I do, that doesn´t mean I have to be comfortable with it.
@dshipp17 - It sounds to me like Israeli children are brainwashed from childhood to. What´s the difference? Both sides have to stop this circular logic. In war of course a nation is going to brainwash children to hate the other side. This war either goes on forever, ends in extermination of one side or Peace? Those are the only 3 options, which would you rather see?
I liked the Smallville comic take on thier relationship...a very cute childhood crush thing with Diana being slightly more eccentric and Steve playing the straight man. Lots of fun in that arc.
What Smallville comic take. i want to read that. Where is it?
By the way I´m stunned Steve is loosing. Are we talking about in an origin story by the way? because I can´t believe people would not want steve to be her love interest in an origin story?