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#1 Posted by jphulk26 (1436 posts) - - Show Bio

@agent41 said:

@cheesesticks said:

WW is a cultural icon only because she is a women. A good Flash or GL movie would be better.

Why wouln't a good WW movie be better?. And she isn't iconic for being just a woman. That is like saying Superman is an icon only because he is the first male hero. WW is the standard for female heros. She has influenced the creation of a lot of female characters including big ones such as Xena and Sailor Moon.

That is exactly why he is iconic.

hercules and achilles, may disagree. you mean superhero. and no superman would only have gone so far if he didn´t have certain other iconic elements that captued the imagination. ww is the same. she appealed to women a lot more than other female heroes in the 40s for some reason.

#2 Posted by jphulk26 (1436 posts) - - Show Bio

@klaus said:

@saint_wildcard said:

I also don't agree she can play Hippolyta. Hippolyta needs to be at most in her early 50's. She needs to look like she could crack some heads even at her age, but at the same time like a leader and beautiful

I think casting Lucy Lawless as Hippolyta would be a perfect choice, she still looks badass. But casting Lynda Carter would pay homage to the original WW and resonate well with the audience IMO.

I should think people would want a serious actress to play her. No offense to Carter. She was goodat what she did, but it´s time for a new wonder woman. she could play a cameo. I think as some kind of politician against ww would be great. she´s got a look for that. Hippolyta should be 38-42 in my opinion.

#3 Posted by jphulk26 (1436 posts) - - Show Bio

@sodamyat: That sounds like the article is saying it´s bad for ww which I would agree with. I´m interested in hearing her take. I just wish they didn´t need these films to fit in with eachother. I don´t really see why WEB/DC are blocking themselves in like this. ww is already difficult to adapt now someone has to stick to what zack snyder has decided to come up with in his "dude. Yeah bro. cool. explosion. explosion. massive setpiece. pow. blam explosion. dude more explosions. shaky cam. whoah, that was so cool, like superman totally punched something explosion, yeah dude." Vision of the DC universe. Any way I´m out, until someone proves why they took one of the most talented directors off this project, i´m done, with B v S.-

#4 Posted by jphulk26 (1436 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren: Wow a talking tiger, Maybe I spoke to soon ;) Yeah that would be annoying considering that´s Captain Marvel´s thing. But surely they didn´part ways over a talking tiger. Plus WW could talk to animals. Why can´t anyone seem to get it right?

#5 Edited by jphulk26 (1436 posts) - - Show Bio

@nybreezy: I think this is the problem with putting her in batman v superman. the only director they will get now is one there for the paycheck. they won´t want directors with strong vision. they´ll want ones who will be subervient to the bottom line. They should´ve allowed this woman what ever she wants. if she wanted a seperate universe so what. WW deserves her own movie with a director with strong vision. can´t stand the way DC has gone about there movie universe, especially starting with abomination MOS.

#6 Posted by jphulk26 (1436 posts) - - Show Bio

Macho. Love the peoples champ, nut it´s macho man come on. RIP. p.s. this would be an epic feud on the mic. I´d love Rock mocking Macho´s crazy interviews and Macho just going nuts.

#7 Posted by jphulk26 (1436 posts) - - Show Bio

@jphulk26 said:

@muffin_sangria said:

I like her villains being more eclectic. I've heard suggestions in the past suggestions that they should only use mythological villains with her but I think that limits the story too much. Maybe there's some vague theme to tie them all together, but I'm not sure what it is. I think it's kinda reaching to put a theme to all of Superman's villains as well.

I don´t. Themes can be nice. I also don´t reduce all Diana´s villains to mythological, nor would I want them to be.

My suggestion was the theme connecting them was psychological. They were all guided by an obsession and distorted forms of love which were like the inversion of Diana´s love.

Superman is easy, all his classic villains, are Gods like him, except they´re corrupted by there Godlike power or intellect.

You could say that about the other Kryptonians, Lex, and Mxyzptlk, but I don't think the "godlike" description fits most the other villains like Parasite, or Metallo. I think any well written villain should twist one of the character's virtues. I wouldn't just limit it to twisted love though. There is also her sense of justice, or her passion for honesty.

Although now that I've thought about it, and looked back at the list of villains I'd like to see as her "central rouges" I realized that all of them at least have some loose connection to mysticism. I guess that's enough of a theme.

I should again clarify. I use "love" and "God" as umbrella terms and I agree they don´t apply to every last one of their villains. However when I use God, I mean in comparison to humanity, I also mean, that what clearly defines supermans enemies and makes superman a paradox himself, is that he is this benevolent God. Why would a being with such great power ever decide to champion the cause of the helpless, the vulnerable, etc. It is Supermans unique set of circumstances that makes him this benevolent God that his villains like Lex Luthor, Darkseid and Braniac can´t fathom nor comprehend. (I know Lex has no powers but he has almost a god like intellect and considers himself the pinnacle of humanity)

I was also using "love" as a blanket term. Again I meant all those qualities and how she embraces them and weilds them with this lofty majesty. Her villians seem obsessed with this in one way or another, creating this strange love fixation with her. They´re all in some ways more stalkers trying to get her attention than straight up classical villains with some overarching agenda like "take over the world", "destroy gotham city", "kill my foe superman" or you know "steal money". It´s all more sinister with Diana´s rogues, Dr. Cyber is so obsessed and jealous by Diana´s beauty she literally wants her face so that she can be as beautiful, Dr. Psycho is so infatuated with Diana he causes havoc just get her attention, Ares seems to always want show Diana the contradiction in her mission, he seems more obsessed with that than any other goal he´s ever pursued, Cheetah literally wants to destroy Diana because she is not her, because Diana is emancipated by her powers, where as she is enslaved by hers, Venessa Cale has a similar embittered envy of Diana, and Alkyone wants to destroy Diana so as to have no obstacle in the way of her love object Diana´s mother. It may be a loose thread, but it is there. However, I believe it is purely accidental, there is no intention as I don´t think most writers of WW have even bothered to really think about her story or her villains and how they connect to her. Sad really, because there´s a lot to play around with in this theme.

#8 Posted by jphulk26 (1436 posts) - - Show Bio

I like her villains being more eclectic. I've heard suggestions in the past suggestions that they should only use mythological villains with her but I think that limits the story too much. Maybe there's some vague theme to tie them all together, but I'm not sure what it is. I think it's kinda reaching to put a theme to all of Superman's villains as well.

I don´t. Themes can be nice. I also don´t reduce all Diana´s villains to mythological, nor would I want them to be.

My suggestion was the theme connecting them was psychological. They were all guided by an obsession and distorted forms of love which were like the inversion of Diana´s love.

Superman is easy, all his classic villains, are Gods like him, except they´re corrupted by there Godlike power or intellect.

#9 Edited by jphulk26 (1436 posts) - - Show Bio

@saint_wildcard: Dude if true, I will love the backlash when News Channels end up running with "Wonder Woman´s Lois Lane, Steve Trevor, gets a movie before she does."

Actually wait batman and superman is coming out before. forgot my bad.,

#10 Posted by jphulk26 (1436 posts) - - Show Bio

@agent41 said:

The feminist thing is taken out of proportion by some people. Femist doen't mean hating men. If some women take her as a feminist icon that is not a bad thing. A lit of powerful and independcent female characters are taken as feminist icons by a lot of people. it's not a bad thing. If there are some people that misunderstand the concept and use her image to attack men that is something that has nothing to do with WW and her comic. WW has never been portrayed as a man hater in her comics. She has a lot of male friends and she respects them as much as she respects her female friends. She believes in equality and treats women and men with equal respect. Writers shouldn't worry about the people that misunderstand the feminist concept. The best way to handle this is by showing that Diana cares about men and women equally because that is the way it is in her comic.

Exactly. Feminism is such a feared word, but many female characters in movies that are loved and respected are considered to be feminist characters. Clarice Starling, Buff the Vampire Slayer anyone? Cat Woman! All at sometime have been considered and interpreted through that light. If feminism ever comes across as man-hating, be weary who you are reading, most likely it´s either a male writer who doesn´t know how to subtly deal with a character who is a feminist icon (sometimes female writers as well) or the writer has a purposeful agenda to make feminism out to be a man-hating set of theoretical beliefs. Feminism like Marxism, existentialism, liberalism, Realism, post modernism etc is made up of a vast tapestry of theoretical and ideological commitments, that diverges from each thinker, writer or social activist that has contributed to it´s rich history.

I mean it´s hilarious to me that people fear a theoretical approach to politics, social theory, aesthetics and philosophy. It´s like saying "man I hope filmmakers don´t get to hung up on Neo from Matrix being a postmodern icon in a remake, cause I don´t want to alienate general audiences by making Neo look like a Modernist hater" it´s dumb. sorry OP.