Writers Who Need To Be Beaten With Salamis

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Posted by Darling_Luna

*drops some support*

Posted by SuperStar_sketcher

LOL

Posted by Twix_Right_Side

Where's Scott Lobdell?

Edited by wildvine

I read the title as Salmon. so here.

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Posted by ImpurestCheese

Reasons?

WHY?!

Posted by Joygirl

Where's Scott Lobdell?

Good point, he can be on here too.

I'll even add Liefeld.

Posted by RisingBean

Add Loeb

Posted by Joygirl

@wildvine said:

I read the title as Salmon. so here.

8D

Reasons?

WHY?!

They have all hurt my feelings in various ways.

Posted by Twix_Right_Side

Is my comment suppose to have a "moderate" setting on it?

Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose

What did Charles Soule do to deserve the salami?

Just curious as I know he's writing a lot of titles at the moment.

Posted by Joygirl
Posted by RogueShadow

I thought you meant the homeland of Ajax.

Posted by Joygirl

What did Charles Soule do to deserve the salami?

Just curious as I know he's writing a lot of titles at the moment.

Red Lanterns.

Posted by Joygirl

Add Loeb

Whyfore Loeb? I've heard he sucks but the only things I read from him were good.

Posted by i_like_swords

LOL

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Posted by Delphic

Why Palmiotti? I thought he did your favorite run of PG?

Posted by Joygirl

@delphic said:

Why Palmiotti? I thought he did your favorite run of PG?

Yeah but then he f***ed up Harley Quinn

SALAMI

Posted by ShadowSwordmaster

You know I agree with one on these.

Posted by Gwahlur_Rising
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Posted by AllStarSuperman

I have heard Red Lanterns sucked hard until Soule? Do you just not like Guy being leader?

Matt Kindt rocks, his Unity and his Adventures of Superman 3 were really good imo.

Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose

@joygirl: I've seen some annoyed comments from you on that series so I'm guessing he's the source of some of that.

Does Marc Andreyko deserve the salami for inferior Batwoman writing?

Posted by AllStarSuperman
Edited by Joygirl

I have heard Red Lanterns sucked hard until Soule? Do you just not like Guy being leader?

Matt Kindt rocks, his Unity and his Adventures of Superman 3 were really good imo.

It sucked worse when Soule showed up. Everything about it is stupid now and makes me want to rip everyone's face off that ever lived. Here, read this.

@joygirl: I've seen some annoyed comments from you on that series so I'm guessing he's the source of some of that.

Does Marc Andreyko deserve the salami for inferior Batwoman writing?

I haven't been keeping up with Batwoman since I heard the title was nosediving, so I dunno.

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@joygirl: Yeah, it's gone downhill. :(

Edited by Joygirl

@v_scarlotte_rose: Bummer. And to think, just today I was considering catching up on it. But not if it sucks now.

So DC truly has nothing to offer me. Everything dear to me has been destoyed.

Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt

Lobdell's main offense is Teen Titans. Everything is on point though. Although I certainly would not slap any of these writers with my salami (although slapping writers with my salami isn't really a punishment if you know what I mean.)

Posted by JakeN7

@joygirl: Charles Soule is a beast and Red Lanterns is fantastic for the first time since the New 52 started!

*runs away giggling*

*relishes throwing dissenting opinions in someone's face*

:P

The rest of the list is great though.

Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose

@joygirl: Yeah, awkward dialogue, bad pacing, a shift in the tone, a need to point out that she's gay as if the readers don't know, slightly empty feeling underwhelming storyline, another hallucinogenic trip just four issues after the last one, replacing her West Point girlfriend Sophie with another called Josie, Kate acting a bit out of character. There could be more problems.

Also, it seems really obvious who the current villain secretly is, but it hasn't been revealed yet, so I could be wrong. And it's not totally clear but he may be retconning the "don't ask don't tell" part of her backstory.

I haven't read this months issue yet, so I can't comment on it.

It's sad that a glorious series that meant a lot to me has become so disappointing. :/

Posted by RobotMonster

@joygirl: I like some of these writers' other works, but I approve of your list. I'm surprised no Goyer what with your outrage over his slutification of the She-Hulk.

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Posted by MadeinBangladesh

Geez, not so joyful, Joygirl.

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@joygirl: He kinda looks like David Cross in that picture.

"Goyer?? Really? What did I ever do to you, bro?"

Posted by GraniteSoldier

I'm a fan of Kindt personally, and heard good things about Soule. Everyone writes characters differently, that's how they evolve. I've put up with a number of sh*tty Spidey writers over the years, every just has their interpretations of the character, we won't like all of them lol.

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Posted by GraniteSoldier

@joygirl: Well ok here's the thing: every writer has their interpretation. And DC does this nifty little thing where they reboot their universes every so many years. Once that reboot hits, game on pretty much. What you knew and loved about a character, doesn't mean sh*t anymore. Pre-52 and New-52 are evidence of this (Wally West?). So you may like an older version of the character, but that version of that character is not the current one. Hell Harley could be Batgirl in New 52 and that's just who she is in New 52, doesn't matter what her story used to be. I think DC takes that approach, a clean slate where you can change anything and do anything with a character because they have zero established story in the new universe.

Problem is, fans grow attached to a character and when you reset the universe they still want that old version of the character to return. That's where people get pissed off. So, trust me, I understand your grief. Agent Venom gets subjected to a lot of hate and I personally love him, yet writers don't ever seem to reference his solo run in their interpretations, and they don't even have the excuse of a separate or reset universe. So, trust me, I get it. Marvel has zero excuse when their writers screw things up, because the universe has never been reset!

Write to DC and tell them to stop rebooting their shit, maybe that's a step to fixing the problem!

Posted by KraytRawk

"Shitgoblin"

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I don't know half these writers

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Edited by Bruxae

Agreed.

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Posted by SupBatz

I'd add Jeff Parker for Aquaman as well. Aside for that, excellent.

@joygirl: Well ok here's the thing: every writer has their interpretation. And DC does this nifty little thing where they reboot their universes every so many years. Once that reboot hits, game on pretty much. What you knew and loved about a character, doesn't mean sh*t anymore. Pre-52 and New-52 are evidence of this (Wally West?). So you may like an older version of the character, but that version of that character is not the current one. Hell Harley could be Batgirl in New 52 and that's just who she is in New 52, doesn't matter what her story used to be. I think DC takes that approach, a clean slate where you can change anything and do anything with a character because they have zero established story in the new universe.

Sorry to comment-jack, but I really felt the need to throw my two-cents in. It's one thing to alter a character when the universe is rebooted. And it is a different thing entirely to completely strip that character of every aspect that made them likable pre-reboot. Of course the character's past matters. If a character is walking around calling herself "Harley Quinn", then regardless of a reboot DC can't just expect fans to swallow the fact that a beloved character has been replaced by a completely different woman with absolutely no semblance of her original self.

Also, to say that Pre-New 52 doesn't matter implies that all change is good. I'm not change-averse, and I do think that it is okay to change characters at times to improve them and give further storytelling potential (Aquaman, Batwoman). But that doesn't mean we should just swallow every change to a character that DC makes and just assume "DC knows best."

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Posted by Delphic

@joygirl Do me a favor and at Paul Levitz to the list. He's responsible for Worlds' Finest and pretty much ruining Power Girl for me. I think you might agree.

Posted by GraniteSoldier

@supbatz: Oh I agree, I understand fans' disposition of it. I was a big pre-52 Supergirl fan, and I hate that she's been made into a one-dimensional rageaholic in the New 52. It sucks, I don't like it. I was simply stating that I think that is DC's logic. I don't think comic companies "know best" because despite having the ownership rights of the character that character really belongs to everyone, especially the fans. Why? The fans are who make the book keep going. If a book doesn't sell, it gets tanked (usually). I think that character-consumer relationship is something DC (especially) needs to focus on. Not changing characters for the sake of changing them BECAUSE it's a new, rebooted universe.

I wasn't trying to tell anyone "suck it up and deal with it" or that "DC is right". Simply that this is DC's logic, and as long as we buy and read the titles it'll keep happening. My statement of "Pre-52 not mattering" is again from DC's perspective. They, in their minds, have character names that are essentially blank slates, despite the fact that fans still want the core of a character to remain the same, or at least similar. In DC's eyes, this is New 52 and to hell with everything that came before. That's what I was getting at, and that is a frustration I both understand and share as a fan myself.

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@joygirl: Why Loeb? Because he neutered the Ultimate universe via Ultimatum, and because he screwed over Wolverine with his nonsensicalness and because even the stuff that people like (his Batman works mostly) are cheap pieces of crap when you are not looking at them through nostalgia lenses. Also Red Hulk.

Loeb is a hack. I'd rather make Rob Liefeld President of the Earth then read Loeb. I'd rather slam my d#^% in a car door then read Loeb. I'd rather die in profuse agony and alone then read Loeb.

@granitesoldier Said Stuff and. "Write to DC and tell them to stop rebooting their shit, maybe that's a step to fixing the problem!"

Better yet, tell DC you won't be spending money on their products while they disregard you as a reader. It may not change things right offhand, but if enough people speak with their wallets, crap changes.

Posted by GraniteSoldier

@risingbean: There in lies the rub my friend, getting the silent majority angry and awoken enough to do something with DC. Maybe I'm not just thinking comics though.

Anyway I can agree with Loeb. He's got a few good stories that I've enjoyed though.

Posted by Joygirl

@granitesoldier: @risingbean: Agreed, I really enjoyed Hush (not just nostalgically either) but I'll add him anyway.

I added Alan Moore too for reasons stated.

Edited by GraniteSoldier

@joygirl: Hush is actually one of my favorite Batman stories. It just...I don't know, really felt like a Batman story. Liek I said, Loeb has good work out there. Actually, I think most of it is Batman.

Posted by RisingBean

@joygirl: @granitesoldier: Hush is drivel as well. Though it seems enjoyable enough. It's still more nonsense though. Just "Toss all of Batman's foes at the wall. See what sticks."

As for getting people riled, keep fighting the good fight. Reviews from respected users is a big step. With sites like the Vine readers have the option to be more connected then ever.

Posted by GraniteSoldier

@joygirl: @granitesoldier: Hush is drivel as well. Though it seems enjoyable enough. It's still more nonsense though. Just "Toss all of Batman's foes at the wall. See what sticks."

As for getting people riled, keep fighting the good fight. Reviews from respected users is a big step. With sites like the Vine readers have the option to be more connected then ever.

I thought the Hush story made sense in the ending context of the entire story, but that's just me.

I think the problem with Marvel and DC is they know they'll both continue to survive with one another. People tend to read both, I am a prime example. I'd say my pull list is probably 40% Marvel, 40% DC, then 20% indies (IDW and Valiant mostly). So until more people drift away from Marvel and DC, or business for indie companies picks up, they'll continue to churn out some good/great, but mostly mediocre, work. I only read the titles I truly enjoy, otherwise it's not worth my money.

Competition breeds a better product, more people need to read the indie stuff I think!

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@granitesoldier: Indeed.As a matter of fact I got XO Manowar Vol 2 and Shadowman Vol 1 delivered today. Good stuff from Valiant. Waiting on Bloodshot, Invincible and Conan among my haul. Thor, Green Arrow and Aquaman are a few titles the big two are putting out that I like.

As far as Marvel and DC, you need to realize though, that their threshold is lower. An indy title that only sells x number of books is a success. To Marvel or DC it's an utter failure. So the readers need to win by attrition.

Don't buy shoddy titles, warn others off of them. Direct your fellow readers to good stuff.

In keeping with the spirit of Joy's thread I'll note Loeb didn't write anything in my Amazon haul.

@joygirl Edit: Just saw the pic list revision. Wow. Nice caption. If you want to use my lingo, I call it a "dinger". Amusing either way, though..

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