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I give this to Superior. Simply because he is almost as smart as Batman, but has powers to back it up as well.

THat said, if there was outside interference allowed, I would give this fight to the Bat-family (Batman, Nightwing, Damian, Jason, Tim, Babs) Over the Six and Superior.

@supbatz: I agree entirely. Oliver is the most dislikable character on the show imo. His judgement and decision making skills are pretty crappy. I'm like...you see how -all- these secrets are coming to light and hurting people plus yourself. It might....just -might- be a good idea to tell the truth to people?

Plus the whole "Isabel temp CEO" thing was dumb as could be. At the very least Oliver can no longer be compared to a rip off of batman in this show. Bruce at least has some modicum of intelligence.

@i_like_swords:
Honestly, I would probably put 7-10 (Windu, Anakin, Kenobi, Dooku) on all about the same level. It's all about who fights who. Windu would go probably 8 out of 10 against Anakin, possibly more simply because Vaapad is so good at using your opponent's emotions and redirecting it. Anakin has no emotional control. I think Windu would also go 7 out of 10 against Kenobi simply because of experience and just being better. And against Dooku would prolly go 5 out of 10 possibly 6 out of 10 on a good day. So he takes the lead.

Anakin in terms of pure skill and power is better than Dooku and Kenobi. However he is not a very intelligent fighter in his youth. However in his prime, I would put him as better against the two of them. So Anakin would be below all of them, but Vader I see going 7 out of 10 against Dooku and Kenobi respectfully. He would most likely go 4 to possibly 5 out of 10 against Windu.

Kenobi and Dooku are probably even more closely skilled and I see it going either way for the most part. In Kenobi's prime I see him being Dooku 6 out of 10 times. He lost on Geonosis because he simply did not have the experience or skill yet. And he lost at the beginning of ROTS mainly because of Sidious's presence on the ship. I remember reading somewhere that Sidious was subtly manipulating the fight through some form of battle meditation.

Then there is Dooku. He is a skilled duelist, but in the numbers he loses more against these others so I could not put him higher.

As I said before though, I see all these as about the same level of skill. It's number 6 where there is a big leap in power to the heavy hitters. But for 7-10 it really depends on the circumstances, day of the week, and who they are fighting.

As for maul, my only knowledge of his character is his loss against Kenobi on Naboo in TPM. I've never kept up with him since so I don't know enough to place him properly in the list.

Disclaimer: For my list I will be avoiding any non-canonical and/or video game characters. As much as I would like to put Revan or character's from TOR on this list, Revan canonically is not that great. Non-canon versions of him can be amazing, but canonically he was gimped. Also TOR has officially been stated to be 'alternate universe' non-canon so I won't be using those classes since so much of that is player choices. And finally, I'm not a complete god of star wars lore, but I know a good bit just not everything. Also, this is just off the top of my head. The list might change if I took the time to research a bit more and all that.So to begin!

Dueling in Prime:

1. Luke

2. Sidious

3. Yoda

4.Caedus

5. Bane

6. Nomi Sunrider

7. Mace Windu

8. Anakin/Vader

9. Kenobi

10. Dooku

Notable mention: Cin Drallig

'Amateur' up and comer: Jaina Solo

Who would actually win (Aka not just saber skills):

1.Luke

2. Bane.

3. Sidious

4. Nomi Sunrider

5. Caedus

6. Yoda

7. Mace Windu

8. Kenobi

9. Anakin/Vader

10. Jaina Solo

Notable Mention: Ventress

'Amateur' up and comer: Ben Skywalker

Honestly, I'm less annoyed with Thea's character development than I am with Oliver's. It feels like every episode lately portrays him to be an idiot. Especially relationship wise. Trust Isabel? Tanked. Advice to Roy? It tanked. Tell Thea -some- truth? Tanked.

Quite frankly I feel like the only way to redeem Oliver's idiotic relationship with others would be for him to realize the pain his secrets cause when they get out and tell Thea and Moira the truth about the Arrow.

Tim Drake as well. As others have said, Dick Grayson is amazing but Tim made the role his own. I cannot wait for Batman Eternal in hopes that his character will be retconned from the travesty of the N52 titans. Fingers crossed.

Action: When Clark killed Zod. The implications of that for future movies are staggering.

Emotional: Honestly this is more because of my own past as a person with Asperger's syndrome, but when Clark was in the school closet as a child. I've felt that way before. Not seeing through people's skin mind you, but the overwhelming panic attack of so many senses all at once. I felt that scene was very well done.

@tikhunt: The answer is in your sentence. "Killed." There is a deeper meaning in this movie though than simply that. I believe essentially that Superman killed Zod. That is the outward repercussion. However depending on whether the family lived or died can have huge ramification for the inward repercussions.

Family lived = I saved them. I did the right thing. I ended my own race for a good cause. Less angst.

Family died = I failed them. I let my emotions that I have kept under control my entire life out of control. I ended my own race out of rage. More angst.

The answer to "Did the family live?" Is very important to Superman's psyche. Also important to our perceptions of the character.

@smart_dork_dude: Its not a matter of the killing in my mind. Its the motivation for killing I suppose? I have no problem with Heroes killing the villains as long as the motive is right. There is a difference between a police officer or soldier killing someone to protect innocents as opposed to someone with a vendetta.

So essentially, was Zod murdered or killed?

Here is my big question....Did the family live? You will notice that you never see the family after he kills Zod. So I am curious, did Superman kill Zod to save the family? Or did he kill Zod in rage after seeing the family die? Just an interesting lack of information regarding what is an extremely vital part of the story...at least in my eyes.

If it is to rescue the family, Superman retains his moral high ground and most importantly...stays true to his character's morals.

If it is out of revenge...it shows emotional weakness and a complete disregard for the character.

So I am curious as to thoughts?