Salvation Army is Anti-Gay Marriage

New reason why I like twitter. A musician that I love posted this

JacobHoggard: PLEASE NOTE! Salvation Army is ANTI-GAY MARRIAGE - be sure to donate to a secular organization! tinyurl.com/c74sgl8

As it turns out, "The Salvation Army is an international Christian church. Its message is based on the Bible; its ministry is motivated by love for God and the needs of humanity."

They continue to say

The Salvation Army holds the position that marriage is
the covenanting together of one man and one woman for
life in a voluntary union characterized by faithfulness,
mutual affection, respect and support. It makes this view
known in its published Position Statements

While some people question the validity of posting this on the site in the OFF-TOPIC section, I think it is something people should be aware of when they leave a store and are asked to donate.

http://www.salvationarmy.ca/documents/SalvationArmy_Marriage.pdf

27 Comments
28 Comments
Posted by Shadow_Thief

Well, yeah. They're a religious organization and always have been. I'm not endorsing their stance (I frankly don't care who marries who, as long as they're both consenting adults), but I think it's pretty safe to assume that any organization that puts "salvation" right in their title has some kind of religious agenda.

Sorry if I'm coming across as condescending; good job on helping people make educated choices.

Posted by jordama

@Shadow_Thief: I didn't think you were condescending.

I just think a lot of people never really analyzed Salvation Army.

Posted by Superguy0009e

ya, sal army is a christian organization, so that was bound to come out

as a christian, i will tell you that since i'm against something, doesnt mean i hate it, i don't agree with gay marriage, but i dont hate gay people, salv army will help anyone in need, despite who they are

Posted by King Saturn
I thought it was well known that The Salvation Army was a Christian Organization... and usually those types of Organizations are not for Gay Marriage. 
Posted by Kal'smahboi

Duh? I thought everyone knew that. It's a Christian church, but scarier because they use military rhetoric.

Posted by gravitypress

So where is the local Damnation Army located?

Posted by RazzaTazz

This is weird, I am pretty sure that although it might be their mandate that most who work for the organization do not really hold such views.  Also do they use any money to fund any anti-gay marriage movements?  Personally I think the anti-gay marriage movement is kind of funny, legalized gay marriage will happen eventually one way or the other (just like there were people at one point saying women would never get the vote), so it is fun to watch all the religious right wingers throw their money away to a useless cause.  

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Posted by Superguy0009e

@RazzaTazz: well then, mind as well make everything else illegal legal, since sooner or later, it will happen again

look, like i said before, no good christian hates gay people, so if this is a good christian organization, they won't do anything to attack a specific group

Posted by RazzaTazz
@Superguy0009e: Thats kind of faulty logic, human rights as a whole in the history of mankind has moved forward, its what they call the forward march of progress.  I am not advocating to make everything legal.  
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Posted by Superguy0009e

@RazzaTazz: well that's not the point

gay marriage, weed smoking whatever, some of those things are a major part of the world today due to huge movements a few years ago. idk if gay marriage will always be a human right issue as of right now, gay marriage is something that is just incredibly hyped up, sooner or later, something else will be a major issue in america. im not saying it is important, but to me , human rights be equal treatment, which means everyone is cared for. equality isn't allowing people to do what they want, it's allowing people to live under the same rules, and respect the differences of others. issue come and go each generation, so idk if this will always be a prominent issue, i believe in larger issue first (like abuse or people extremely poor)

i think the extreme anti gay marriage movements are wrong, anything extreme is wrong. ill just end this with: it is my belief that marriage is between a man and a woman, i do not hate anyone who doesn't follow that rule, i just hope more people can follow/ respect those who wish to follow those rules

Posted by PowerHerc

So what.

Posted by InnerVenom123

Not shocked.

Posted by RazzaTazz
@Superguy0009e: We obviously don't see eye-to-eye on this issue.  I see absolutely nothing wrong with making gay marriage legal.  To compare that to legalization a marijuana is maybe a bit unfair.  I think you raise a good point about the other issues, but we have always had poor people.  Which is a reason why despite my support of gay marriage that i also support the Salvation Army.
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Posted by SC
@Superguy0009e said:

@RazzaTazz: well that's not the point

gay marriage, weed smoking whatever, 

 
Ah, see, the problem or the disconnect lies here? Its not the easy to casually compare complicated issues, with their own set of differences and similarities.  
 
Its like saying gay marriage, weed smoking, killing, traffic violations, jaywalking, murder, underage scuba diving, dragging a horse down a main street of a city without a horse dragging license, whatever...  
 
Generally society advances, but not so flippantly and casually that anything that was deemed unacceptably prior, will inherently become accepted as time goes on, its a matter of awareness, education, knowledge and experience that will dictate what changes and what does not. Those issues I mention thus have different degrees of evolution socially? Usually with rules, over time, people tend to not mind so much as long as they personally are okay and not harmed and this is true of the past when it comes to gender and race (but if we let the women or the black people have this or that and then there is less of it for me, or it harms me in this way) but over time people learn that its not really like that at all, and that yes, they may be negatively affected by other people, in the game of life, but their gender and race are superficial and as many white guys will negatively affect them as well (and that as many women or people with different skin tones may positively effect their lives) and the same will be true of sexual orientation.  
 
Then people like me will start advocating for animals and machines rights. (last part is a bad joke)
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Edited by CATPANEXE

I do not encourage following, nor abiding any opinions put forth by any institution that defy any persons rights on the basis of intolerance, for myself nor to anyone else.

I think I'm fairly well known for that here actually and for how personal I get about the issue.

That being said:

The Salvation Army is an international Christian church. Its message is based on the Bible;

This is underlying both facts and the world view of the Salvation Army, their religion in particular. I've read through the entire of the Salvation Armies version of the bible/their coda, ect, and attended a few of their church service and held confidence and conference with a few of their higher ranking officers. Something which I suggest any of you do to get a full scope of understanding concerning these peoples views, and how any other credible institution views them in turn. While the Salvation Army provides much and much needed aid to scores of persons in strife on this planet, they have a very unique and individually written religious sect and

set of bylaws, ones which any person becoming an officer in the Salvation Army must abide by, a set of religions and laws I personally find extremely warped in design, and most of the world regards as " cult ". For one example of the many, an officer of the Salvation Army may not marry any officer of the Salvation Army who does has not achieved and shares the same exact rank as themselves. While in a service, I can tell you that the thought passed in the very eclectic show that was put on, and the film we watched that during the strobe performance their may have actually been synchronized water droplet sounds playing somewhere. Being short but like I said do your own research, but this is very indifferent section of society your addressing here. Basically this view of there's is law for them, and it is one in hundreds of confinements and individualism's they live by, and given how this fact is universally known of them, shouldn't actually be taken with any heft, any more than one would take the usual offerings of PETA with great reservation.

I think it is something people should be aware of when they leave a store and are asked to donate.

The donations that go to the Salvation Army, whose shelters house and programs feed LGBT persons FYI, go to the needy one way or another, despite some silly belief the Salvation Army's officers themselves have pushed on and/or programmed into them. As well multitudes of LGBT persons volunteer and are employed by the Salvation Army. Just saying, this is hardly a mantra of theirs nor anything they actually are pressing, no more than all of their other odd little personal conducts. Personally I wouldn't refrain from sending what help I can to those in need do to the belief of the delivery service, much less would I refuse to help anyone because they believe something I don't like or that highly offends me, but that may be me.

Posted by jordama
The donations that go to the Salvation Army, whose shelters house and programs feed LGBT persons FYI, go to the needy one way or another, despite some silly belief the Salvation Army's officers themselves have pushed on and/or programmed into them. As well multitudes of LGBT persons volunteer and are employed by the Salvation Army. Just saying, this is hardly a mantra of theirs nor anything they actually are pressing, no more than all of their other odd little personal conducts. Personally I wouldn't refrain from sending what help I can to those in need do to the belief of the delivery service, much less would I refuse to help anyone because they believe something I don't like or that highly offends me, but that may be me

As someone who works for a organization that offers help to homeless youth regardless of sexual orientation or gender expression (and also addresses the fact that trans youth are more likely to be homeless), I can say that there are groups that need more donations that in their very belief system do not discriminate.

Posted by CATPANEXE

@jordama: Point, but that still doesn't change the outcome of where the help ends up. And still they're discrimination is not in practice, only in theory (and trust me when I say personally, most of the actually people themselves do not follow this either). Persons receive the help in the end regardless of who they are. In short, your donations go to the people that need it, not the support of a backwater point of view. As well, great for you, but you also then know that those types of institutions are still few and far between in this world, and sadly I agree, but most people do not have access to them. The goal is to help the hungry and homeless either way. Our politics whether well intended and placed or no, should not be factor in that.

Posted by jordama

@CATPANEXE: But i think we need to stop supporting the ones that hold such beliefs and support the ones that aren't secretly against the communities that need the help. There is no reason that Salvation Army has to be the so large when another organization could take its place, one that has a more open mentality from the get go.

Posted by ssejllenrad

@gravitypress said:

So where is the local Damnation Army located?

Watch the latest Twilight film. Look around all the screaming hipsters and emos in the theatre. There's your damnation army... Nyahahahahahaha!

@jordama said:

@CATPANEXE: But i think we need to stop supporting the ones that hold such beliefs and support the ones that aren't secretly against the communities that need the help. There is no reason that Salvation Army has to be the so large when another organization could take its place, one that has a more open mentality from the get go.

Ummmm.... Like Westboro?

Posted by riri4life

gotdamnit...totally just gave them my moneyz today too! No joke.

it was $2, but still. -___-

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@jordama said:

@CATPANEXE: But i think we need to stop supporting the ones that hold such beliefs and support the ones that aren't secretly against the communities that need the help.

It's a good notion, I'm for it really, but the problem is your not suggesting stopping feeding a company. Your suggesting not feeding the poor, because of a cults (and I'm reluctant to point this out again) views, whether your able to see this or not. You donate to the poor, not to the Salvation Army, or Goodwill, or whichever company/institution is named X. It would be like not helping a sick animal because PETA has dissenting views. In this case the view matters of it's own accord, but the the person who it's not coming from shouldn't punished as a result. But the part about helping people regardless of their views just because they need help is my personal feeling, I don't expect you to share it.

There is no reason that Salvation Army has to be the so large when another organization could take its place, one that has a more open mentality from the get go.

I could give hundreds. I'll give you the best one. Salvation Army is that large, and huge and worldwide would be a better label, and no one else is even a fraction as established as they are and wouldn't be able to get there. Again, the really open ones are actually few and far between. Key point, if you cut them off, you won't cut them off. They personally are financed by other means than donation. You cut off the poor instead. And I mean the large percentage. Including LGBT persons who I stress again receive the Salvation Army's help and are not discriminated against in this regard. Poor people then die on the streets in the winter, and of starvation, dead, in gross amounts. Reason? Someone else ideal isn't favorable. That's not a good reason. The Salvation Army is also a religious organization. That doesn't stop them from helping persons who do not share their religious beliefs, even those their belief labels sinners and enemies, like Satanists for example. In fact they help tons and tons every day. In fact their strange beliefs are at odds with most other mainstream God fearing religions, and judgmental of them as well. But again, they don't scrutinize them either when it comes to providing services. The Salvation Armies beliefs re only practiced internally, and like I said to you, most don't actually follow them anyways themselves. And this is speaking all just for this one corporation, one healing the entire human race with it's efforts. Your ideal, which I feel alongside you with emotionally, but not in practice applies to almost every single religion and faction on the face of the Earth, like, the United States Government for example. So the idea is because anyone doesn't support gay marriage, they are disbarred and they are also no longer to produce nor provide sustenance to the lives around them? See where this might not work in favor of anyone? Particularly and please take into account, that the fact that the institution of the Salvation Army does not support, and this is the right word here, not oppose, gay marriage, doesn't actually do anything. That's just words, and there's a lot worse being used. Like I said there views are regarded as a joke on the whole by anyone around, and them having this view actually does nothing to gay marriage, or whether it goes forth or not. That would be to oppose. Individual votes are what counts. So in a way it's non factor, not fully, I read you there, but in comparison it is to the whole issue. And this is coming from me, who has more of a reason to complain. I don't even human rights according to this country, and I have less than the right to marriage even as it stands. Only a few months ago one of the largest medical institutions annexed service to my kind by order of the Lutheran religion that is now their share holder for example.I don't think that they should stop helping other people because of that though. I don't think the poor should suffer for this, nor anyone else under serving. War begets war, hate begets hate, intolerance begets intolerance. Once you take arms against your in war regardless of why you are. I applaud your heart about this, don't underestimate that, and in all honesty mines probably the same if not in a worse place. I did cry when I read the headline, it's disgusting, and I'm pretty sure most would consider that extreme or insane. But the bigger problems and greater needs really do proceed the one problem here. Though I'm usually inclined by nature to put any needs before mine. Then again I do for myself well enough to not worry about the need to lean either. Take as you will, this is only all my opinion shared, your free to yours and I'll respect that, but I'm saying I don't understand it. Personally again, and this is a more recent development with myself actually, but as much as I care to be put down, and have people abuse me, I've given up the idea of firing back anymore. Because someone hates me isn't a good enough reason for me to stop loving, and Iove everyone, and that's the note I think and feel I'm going to die happy and satisfied in life with. I'd rather spend every effort from here on out loving, and healing than taking up arms. I don't think that method will save our future, and I don't see that it's worked yet, regardless of it's reason being sound or not. The world needs to be loved, all of it, for it to truly feel whats right and whats good, and to then understand and change.

Posted by Kairan1979

We seriously need the movement to support the rights of normal people, or else they'll be minority!

Posted by MisterX

@gravitypress said:

So where is the local Damnation Army located?

I'm not sure, but anymore I don't just want to donate to their cause, I want to join their ranks and fight on the frontlines!

Posted by I'maDC/ImageGuy!

America!

Posted by Dracade102

I'm getting a new religion to save myself from further embarrassment... Any suggestions?

Posted by I'maDC/ImageGuy!

@Dracade102: Wizards are cool and writers are flocking towards it. Just watch out for conspiracy theorist who make videos about you being a satanist. Also the church of Kool Aid my be up you're alley.

Posted by Edamame

@Dracade102 said:

I'm getting a new religion to save myself from further embarrassment... Any suggestions?

Jainism.